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  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 27, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    When is something serious enough to take action? He is guilty and what we should be concerned about is the fact that he wants to get rid of something that investigates wrong doing within the government! Republicans are always complaining about corruption within our oversized government, but nothing applies to them. He used his power and position to threaten and he followed through. It most definitely is something we need to be worried about. Who are people kidding? If it were Obama that did this, republicans would be screaming as loud as they could to impeach him. They have already talked about impeachment! If it were a democrat, do you honestly say that it wouldn't be a big deal? Come on, we all know that it would be, so I think it is hypocritical to say that it isn't a big deal! The man obviously does not feel that integrity is important ! Oh yeah. Seriously, I want somebody to tell me that it wouldn't be an issue if it were the president we were talking about! Give me a break!

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 23, 2014 3:38 p.m.


    I know a little about Texas law myself, and I am wondering just where in the Texas constitution it is permitted to coerce an elected official?

    Secondly, the lady has a drinking problem, not a theft problem. She is not the first politician of any stripe to have difficulties with substance abuse (George II had a little problem too you may remember). She serves at the behest of the electeds and voters of the County and not the state (even though the county is actually a creature of the state). The funding was withdrawn, and the county figured out how to fund the office anyway.

    Perry is a ham handed, overbearing, bully Governor. That seems to play well in Texas, but not in most of the country. Hopefully, he will have learned his lesson in 2012 and not embarrass himself and your home state with another run for the Presidency. However, his ego probably won't allow that.

  • achick47 Abilene, TX
    Aug. 23, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    Well having studied Texas law this is my personal opinion. Texas law allows the Gov. to veto any bill as he deems necessary. He informed the "ETHICS' committee that the Lady in question had attempted to use her position of authority to get out of her illegal activities and therefore he no longer had "FAITH" in her ability to control where the resources of the bill would be applied to benefit the "Citizens" of Texas and ask that she step down and let another member lead the committee. All of this is "Legal" under the laws and Constitution of Texas. She chose to refuse to step down as this would impact her power and wealth her integrity and ethics are very questionable so Gov. Perry vetoed 7.5 million. Would you give your paycheck to a thief if he said"But I am honest and Know where your money should go." This case will be thrown out right after elections in Nov. here in Texas as having no merit. It is just a political ploy to maybe get more dems elected in a strong Rep. state and stop Texas from closing the border influx.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Veto power is inherent in the Gov.'s office.

    No problem whatsoever.

    Threatening a public employee.

    Ham-handed as usual by...uh...what was his known as Gov. Oops?

    Oh yeah, Texas Republican Gov. Ric Perry.

    Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry has become an accident waiting to happen...daily.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 23, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Real Maverick

    Thanks for pointing out to all the law and order types around this website, that what Perry did is illegal in Texas. Maybe in Utah it is okay to threaten and intimidate others, but other states (even Texas) have some laws to prevent corruption and political intimidation.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Helpful. A big part of the story is being omitted. Pressuring a convicted lawbreaker to leave office probably sounds legitimate. Problem is, that Public Integrity Unit was investigating a cancer research institute that was one of Perry's pet projects. (One of its former high-ranking officials now faces a felony corruption charge.) If the district attorney had stepped down before she was up for re-election, Perry would have picked her replacement, who could then presumably have quashed the investigation. There is a very real chance that Perry was using political pressure and attempted intimidation to help a crony. If true, Perry needs to be held accountable for his actions.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    "Helpful" to whom?

    Bogus charges against a Republican and/or conservative front runner are always "helpful" to Democrats who depend on the politics of personal destruction, but decry them when their candidates actual criminal activities are questioned.

    Endlessly repetition of false allegations "as news" by the liberal news media is always "helpful" to Democrats.

    Of course, anything that helps liberal Democrats is actually harmful to our country, and especially the future freedom and prosperity of our children. I have 17.5 trillion examples to prove this!

  • dwalk Albuquerque, NM
    Aug. 23, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Remember, this is what Democrats did to Tom Delay, Ted Stevens, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Scott Walker and Sarah Palin. All of these cases were found to be fraudulent and the individuals were found innocent or the charges were thrown out of court.

    Rick Perry has been almost the only one willing to stand up for our country's Immigration laws and stand up for the accompanying protection of our children and grand children.

    Democrats who are defending the indictment claim that political revenge isn't a motive because the charges were brought by a grand jury. But the tactic of using a special prosecutor to disguise political motives is common. All of the above cases were designed by political motives in this manner, just to put a cosmetic touch of respectability on false political charges.

    When Democrats cannot defend their failed programs or personal behavior failings, this is what they do. False charges which cause political opponents to endure enormous personal expense, degraded reputations and hours upon hours of defending themselves. That is a common Democratic ploy.

    Honest and fair Democrats such as John F. Kennedy are turning over in their graves as they watch today’s behavior of Ploiticians.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 23, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    "Aside from the illegality, Perry's actions showed a marked lack of integrity and ethics on his part."

    You need to go into more detail about the illegality and ethics. The veto was legal. From what I heard about the video the prosecutor was threatening jail stuff with their jobs if they did not let her out. She was using her position to get a personal benefit.

    Although Perry did not have the authority to fire her, he brought pressure on the office to get rid of an unethical official. That is leadership and integrity.

    If I am mistaken, please go into more detail about why it was illegal and unethical.

    No, I am not thrilled about having another Texas governor as president any more than I am thrilled about a 'community organizer'.

    I think that the Democrats in this case have fallen into a trap where they demonize everyone who disagrees with them and they found a loophole to indict Perry. Unfortunately, it may end up helping Perry in his nomination. I thought (hoped) he was not running again and now I know. They gave him free publicity.

  • Lax11 Draper, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    We have become a very litigious country. We have the ability to sue. arrest, or indict any person we don't like with the laws that we have created . While it is helpful to have other means to convict true criminals, these laws can also be used in many circumstances including political to swindle anyone we decide we don't like. I will now stick to the political side. What is going on here is a virus that will effect both parties. When power switches to Republicans, just guess what will happen. That's right, Dems will get audited, prosecuted, and of course... Indicted. I am repulsed by our political system at this time. It is adjacent to high school politics on a national level. Rick Perry made a poor decision here, but what about the other politicians? Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan have all done things more dramatic than this instance. However at this time we have enough laws in place to indict Perry. These charges will most likely be dropped. This is just a colossal waste of time and tax payer $. Shame on our obstreperous gestures towards each party. That is what lead us to this juncture.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    It's simple:

    Does Texas law prohibit the governor from cutting funding to a department in order to force the resignation of someone?

    If it is, then he's guilty.

    Texas law clearly states that a governor cannot do this. He's in violation of the law! It doesn't matter what the other person did. She could have committed murder. He still cannot use his office to cut funding to her department to force her resignation.

    I get the feeling that this is swallow/Shurtleff all over again. Those 2 clearly violated laws yet some people want to play politics and smear "the other side" rather than assist in upholding the law. I thought we were a nation of law and order? Apparently not, if you're republican.

  • Gene Poole SLC, UT
    Aug. 23, 2014 1:18 a.m.

    Comments have been made about "the rule of law" by both supports and detractors of the two "major" parties. The greatest breach of the rule of law has been made by the POTUS - so many times that single incidents are now being ignored. For those who wish to castigate my comments, please understand I am neither Republican or Democrat. I look at the Constitution and how the framers of that Document would respond to today's calamitous actions by state and national governments. Just this week, the GAO determined that the Bergdahl exchange was an illegal use of funds. A crime authorized by the POTUS. The next day Rick Perry is indicted. The tail wagging the dog? Coincidence? Probably. We wouldn't want to accuse anyone of political manipulation. Did Gov. Perry have the right to veto a bill. Perhaps. Was it more egregious than the actions previously mentioned by Sven by the POTUS? I am sure that some will think even more so. And other's will ignore the implications of what is happening to our Constitution and go back to their sports reports or video games or...

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Aug. 22, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    I will tell you how this indictment is helpful to Gov. Perry:

    The indictments are clearly spurious. Gov. Perry had every reason to lose faith in the head of the Ethics group, and every right to express that displeasure. He had the authority to defund this group which had no clear purpose, and was being used by some for political gain. He gave her a clear choice, and she chose selfish self-interest over the welfare of her fellow workers.

    If Gov. Perry accepts the nomination for President in 2016, I will vote for him. If enough folks feel the same way, then it is HELPFUL.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Blagojavich trying to get things in return for the Senate seat was illegal. McDonnell's gifts in exchange for touting the products of a businessman is likely to be found illegal. However... there's also the matter of governors/presidents threatening vetoes unless parts of a bill are changed. I feel like this Perry thing is somewhere in between since it involves targeting a particular individual. I don't think it's illegal but at the same time it's sketchy enough that there might be some value in getting a clear answer from the courts regarding this sort of thing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    Last post, but I want to put a new question out there...

    Has anybody else noticed that as soon as the media learns a Republican is Running... they're immediately attacked by the opposition (and the media)?

    Is THAT a "Good" or "Helpful"???


    It took just days with Governor Christy for the media to dig up something to discredit him. Not even something HE DID... but something someone in his administration did! He's destroyed... Check.

    Now it's Perry's turn.

    And if it's not the media... it's Democrats in his State trying to destroy him and his family...

    Palin got it too (law suits galore from Democrats at home as soon as she expressed interest)...

    Romney too...

    McCain too (remember the aircraft carrier incident that only came out when he decided to run)...

    Bush too (National Guard Gate)...

    Is THAT "Good"? "Helpful"?

    I guess if you claim you're just VETTING candidates... it could be spun as a "Good" thing. But IMO this trend that as soon as somebody expresses interest in running.... the efforts to destroy them begins... is a BAD thing (and BOTH sides absolutely, positively, without a doubt, do it)...

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 22, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Hey 2-bits - " I doubt the rest of the world will see it as "Helpful"... to helping ANYTHING."

    The law is the law. Shouldn't the law be enforced?

    Aside from the illegality, Perry's actions showed a marked lack of integrity and ethics on his part.

    Perry did not veto the bill on the merits of the bill, as was his prerogative. He vetoed the bill to EXTORT CONCESSIONS totally unrelated to merits of the bill.

    If what Perry did is OK, then what is not OK?

    He could just as well have fired his secretary because she refused to have sex with him. Would that be OK too?

    Or he could have vetoed the bill because someone didn’t put 100 million dollars in his Cayman Islands bank account. Would that be OK?

    I have a hard time understanding how anyone can see Perry’s actions as anything but an abuse of power.

    Oh . . . And yes 2-bits, it is helpful when the rule of law is upheld, and not even lofty politicos are above the law . . . Don't you think?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    Still waiting for somebody to tell us how it's a "Helpful" thing....

    We have GaryO... who sees it as a "Mixed blessing"...

    I guess that's the closest we are going to get. He thinks if it hurts Republicans... it's a "Blessing"... which is close to being "Helpful". But that's from a hard core partisan's point of view. I doubt the rest of the world will see it as "Helpful"... to helping ANYTHING.


    Yesterday we had an article asking if Partisanship was going away (showed John McCain and Hillary Clinton sitting together and talking). I guess the response we are getting to this topic shows that the partisanship is NOT going away (at least with SOME people).

    This indicting Governors for talking about vetos, and suing Presidents for circumventing Congress... all has to stop (no... not just one side).

    Digging a pit for others, and stoking the fires of the partisan divide every day is NOT the answer...

    This is NOT a "Good" thing, or a "Helpful" thing, or a "Blessing" (UNLESS you are dominated by partisan thoughts).

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    Sven, if Rick Perry is your GOP front runner bless you boy.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    So let me see if I get this, the media and the Democrats want us to become animated and outraged about Governor Perry and this bogus incitement (he was acting within his authority as Governor), but we're supposed to ignore Obama's true scandals and unconstitutional behavior?

    * Benghazi (3 scandals)

    * NSA scandal

    * IRS scandal

    *Fast and Furious (gun running) scandal

    * VA scandal

    * Violating the separation of powers and creating a Constitutional Crisis with his threat to provide amnesty to millions of illegals

    * Obamacare Lies:

    "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."
    "If you like your plan you can keep your plan."
    "Under ACA families will save an average of $2,500."
    "There are no 'death panels" in Obamacare."

    This is nothing but an attempt to try and destroy the GOP Presidential field. Keep it up guys, you may be clearing the field for Palin. And we all know she lives in Obama and the Democrats heads rent free. :-D

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    FT –

    “Watching without Perry in 2016 may be like viewing American Idol without Simon Cowell.”

    I know. It’s sad.

    But maybe Romney will decide to run again.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Well . . . It’s a mixed blessing.

    It underscores the FACT that many Republican Politicians are seriously challenged when it comes to their critical thinking ability.

    And since that fact is being demonstrated again and again by Republican politicos, sooner or later more discerning Republicans are going to realize that the Republican Party has gone over the hill and around the bend . . . Waaaaaaaaaaay over somewhere where no rational person wants to be.

    That will result in them either leaving the Republicans to join the party of sanity (the Dems), or forming a third party, or in voting for Republican candidates possessing an intelligence and outlook more consistent with the Party of Lincoln than the Party of Perry.

    So that’s good.

    However, Republican “pundits” are spinning this to look like a victory for Republicans and a defeat for Dems; and the Republican base is actually buying it. And that’s bad, because it shows that a significant segment of America does in fact have little ability to think critically.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Can someone explain how it is "Helpful"?... I'm still waiting for somebody to try to make THAT case.

    That should be interesting spin.

    How is arresting him "helpful"? (I mean beside the help it brings by energizing your party base)

    Especially when you arrest that person for doing something they have the authority to do!

    Vetoes are not illegal. Talking about vetoes is not illegal. Warning the Legislature that if changes aren't made you will veto it... is also not illegal. It happens ALL THE TIME. Even right here it Utah! The Governor frequently tells the legislature he will veto their budget if certain priorities he wants aren't included.

    What will happen if every time a Governor tells the legislature that he will veto a bill unless changes are made.... he is carted off to jail, booked, had his mug-shot shared on every national TV broadcast, and taken to trial???

    Is that "Help-ful"... or "Hurt-ful"? I think it obviously hurts our political system (can't veto anymore) AND it hurts the individual involved.

    Can ANYBODY explain how it is "HELP-ful"??

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    I think it's harmful.

    Obviously he's the Governor of the State. The Governor (by Constitution) has the right to veto any legislation (even veto funding bills) without being arrested. If he has the right to veto.... he has the right to SAY that he will veto something if certain changes aren't made... and that's what he was arrested for.

    It's not a criminal act. Arresting politicians for for doing things they have the right to do (because you don't like what they did) is setting a very bad precedent. Because I can guarantee you the other side will retaliate and do the same thing or worse to you. It's becoming a political gang-war mentality among the more rabid politicos out there. The "You sued our guy so we're going to arrest your guy"... kinda like the "you send one of ours to the hospital... we'll send one of yours to the morgue".

    At some point we don't remember where it started (with suing Obama, impeaching Bush, impeaching Clinton, or Nixon).... and we don't even care... it just has to STOP. But neither side will LET IT stop...

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    The indictment is harmful if it keeps Govenor Perry from competing for the GOP nomination. His blunderous, uninformed, off the cuff statements defintely added to the entertainment value of the debates in 2012. Watching without Perry in 2016 may be like viewing American Idol without Simon Cowell.