Peavler: Final preseason breakdown of BYU, Utah and Utah State's 2014 football schedules

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  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 10:31 p.m.


    It's very, very rare to see a tie in football. You either win or lose. That's the way it should be.


    They are facts. I speak the truth. Have you not been demeaning Utah/BYU and SUU's records? In fact you just did while mentioning USU and SUU in the same sentence. Take Keeton out of the equation(which he will be next year) and the score is much closer. Another fan just did what you claim I do. It is always true.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    @tinplater-Same old stuff from Chris B and Stang08. They don't really want to comment intellectually. Just want to demean other teams. It is too bad that they do not really uphold the class that the University of Utah has or SUU. I know that there are classy Utah fans that represent their university well and do not try to demean other teams. I think USU and BYU are going to have great seasons and Utah is looking at 1-11. My previous quote from Bruce Feldman about Utah being the "Flop Team" from the PAC 10+2 looks like a realistic assessment. But I am sure Crispy and Stang08 will keep right on tearing down the other Utah teams. I don't know why they comment it is always the same drivel.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    @chris b,
    Just pointing out that Stang0 posts "facts" that are not (read his post). He doesn't comprehend that ties were indeed part of football in years past. Understand your feeling about Utah USU...same way I feel about ASU Utah. Once in a while the Utes win, but not very often. (record 19 6 for ASU, I believe which is worse percentage than USU Utah or USU BYU!) And of course Stang0's birds haven't ever beaten USU so why he wants to demean a schools record is beyond me.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    I thought about whether it was worth it t post this or not, but CFB used to have ties instead of OT. It's why every single rivalry series that you see has some ties in it from Florida-FSU to Georgia-GT, they all have ties.

    And it's a miracle but I agree with Chris B: it probably just feels like USU wins every 100 years. I, for one, hope USU continues their upward trend and changes that.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Don't know where you came up with that number since you can only tie in soccer not football. BYU and Utah are far superior to Utah State. No matter the final record Utah and BYU always seem to beat USU. It's rare that either losses. Chris B speaks the truth. As he does in most occasions.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 8:47 p.m.

    Thanks for the honest answers, to those of you who have posted so far.

    I do think some have misunderstood the question, though. I'm not asking which schedules, but which seasons overall (including outcomes). I don't know if that changes anyone's answers.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 3:19 p.m.


    I guess Stang is just talking about what it feels like. Having watched the last 20 byu usu games and the last 20 Utah usu games it only feels like usU wins one of out of every 100.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Stang0, you are again misinformed. The overall record is BYU 46 wins USU 34 and three ties. How does that add up to a USU victory every 100 years?

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    @Water Rocket-Here is what the Volunteer fans are saying about USU. "The 2014 opener will be a little different for the Vols then in 2013, as Utah State possesses a potential Heisman Trophy candidate in quarterback Chuckie Keeton. The Vols, on average, are currently favored by about a touchdown over the Aggies.But all that means, essentially, is this could be a much tougher game than most Vol fans want to admit.So it seems appropriate, on the last day of Vols training camp, that Tennessee began their preparations for the opener, which is less than two weeks away.
    The Vols, according to sophomore linebacker Jalen Reeves-Mabin, watched some Utah State game film on Monday.The Aggies are squarely on the Vols’ radar. There will be no overlooking Utah State by Tennessee.Vols true freshman running back Jalen Hurd alluded to that on Monday by saying that he wakes up every single day and thinks about Utah State." From All For Tennessee website. USU gets more respect from real SEC fans than some PAC 10+2 wannabees.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    No FatMan86 I do not. But neither is USU. After and probably some point during the Tennessee game USU will be playing at less than full strength. The only "weapon" if you can call him that is Keeton and he doesn't last long. Utah and BYU lose to USU once every 100 years. It's just a fact.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    I'd pick 2013. In 2009, Utah finished the regular season 9-3, and ranked #23. And what did we get for that as a reward? An unranked, 8-4 Pac-10 team in the postseason. That's not necessarily a "bad" ending to a successful season, but the "complaint" here would be that that's really the best we could have hoped for. We also only had 3 games that we could look forward to.

    But in 2013, we got to play 8-5 Arizona, PLUS #9 Oregon (11-2), #11 Stanford (11-3), #16 UCLA (10-3), and #19 USC (10-4).

    So essentially, our 2009 Las Vegas Bowl opponent -- 8-5 Cal -- is equivalent to our regular season 8-5 'Zona (2013). 2009 and 2013 Oregon is a push, Stanford edges TCU, UCLA blows the doors off our little brother down south, and nobody left on our schedule comes anywhere near touching USC.

    Edge: 2013.

    P.S.: In 2009, TCU went undefeated....and all they got was Boise St. Very disappointing. That sort of thing doesn't happen to Pac-12 champions.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @FatMan86-Looks like the writers at MSN agree with you as far as the Utes go, in a summary of the PAC 10+2 this is what Bruce Feldman had to say about "Flop Teams" Feldman: Utah Utes. They have been sputtering since arriving in the conference and don't be surprised if the bottom drops out in 2014. The rest of the league has elevated from when Utah planned the move to the Pac-12, and with CU improving, the hunch here is that Utah will end up in the South division cellar. Ouch, plus being listed as a "Flop Team". Feldman also predicted that with that flop that the U will be parting ways with Coach Whittingham.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    2013, all day long. Watching Utah line up against elite teams is very exciting. Plus the ceiling is SO much higher with a schedule like the Utes had in 2013.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    "Tom Holme needs to get on it and get the "Flying Angles" on BYU's 2015 schedule."

    Ok, I have to admit that was pretty funny.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:32 a.m.


    From Money Magazine Rankings of Best Colleges . . .

    9. BYU
    107. USU
    122. Utah

    Just like football rankings perhaps Chris B. can bring some clarity to this confusion.


    If I may, I would like to provide you with some clarity. I don't think Tom will use the list to make a pitch to the Big 12 anytime soon. Do you?

    The following are ALL ranked higher than Caltech, Berkley, Yale and others:

    1. Babson College
    2. Webb Institute
    7. Harvey Mudd College
    8. Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
    9. BYU

    That's just laughable! Just like their football programs.

    Some more:

    144. Ohio State
    147. Wisconsin
    214. ASU
    223. Nebraska
    233. Florida State University
    372. Baylor
    536. University of Miami

    My favorite is:

    68. Holy Family University

    Tom Holme needs to get on it and get the "Flying Angles" on BYU's 2015 schedule.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 21, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    Utah 7-5
    BYU 11-1
    USU 9-3

    Utah needs to step-up, our first PAC-12 class are seniors now. It's a brutal schedule but Utah has the talent to win seven.

    Can Utah State win in Provo? More importantly, if they do will the MWC officials get pelted with garbage?

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Aug. 21, 2014 6:20 a.m.


    Give me 2013. It was a rough year in the W/L column, but there were a lot of great games that went down to the wire with several very good teams. I can't remember ever looking forward to games against the old WAC/Mt West - other than games with BYU and TCU. Now we have great opponents almost weekly. Certainly you looked forward to games against Texas, Utah, ND, and Wisconsin last year. It's why Tom Holmoe is out looking for tough opponents. You don't beat them as often, but you love the challenge. And when you do beat a great team, it feels like Ty Detmer taking down Miami. Just my opinion.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 21, 2014 1:36 a.m.

    Just like last year, there are at least seven teams on BYU's schedule who would beat Utah.

    BYU, is the University of Utah!

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    Lets go Aggies! This has the makings of a great year for USU's program. As a season ticket holder I can't wait to get it started. Every game is winnable for the Aggies.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:11 p.m.

    Would you Utah fans rather have 2009 season repeats or 2013 season repeats? I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 5:51 p.m.


    Even if BYU wins the USU game, do you really think they are going 10-2? They have Boise St in Boise, Texas in Austin, and UCF in Orlando. Really? Also, how many more games are they going to have to play at less than full strength because of honor code suspensions?

    Step away from Chris B style delusions (bowl game......mark it down).

    And you've got problems if you're hanging your hat on a yearly win over Utah St?

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    Both BYU and Ute fans are delusional. Can you really not see the Utah 0-8 run starting with Michigan and ending with Stanford? You just aren't going to beat teams like this with Mtn West style talent.

    Oh and BYU is dreaming about 10 wins too. Chalk up losses vs Texas, UCF, and Boise St. Utah St, Nevada, and Houston are not automatic either. Better plan on 7-5, not 10-2.

    Chris B and BYU homer nation both need a reality check.

  • CodyCougar Madison, SD
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    From Money Magazine Rankings of Best Colleges . . .

    9. BYU
    107. USU
    122. Utah

    Just like football rankings perhaps Chris B. can bring some clarity to this confusion.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    Absolutely amusing, Chris B's harping on USU strength of schedule. Of course our schedule doesn't have the "strength" of a P5 conference. That is a foregone conclusion. USU's schedule will always be "weaker" than Utah's. So what to do? Forget about it! Cheer on your team and hope you have the best season possible. I guarantee you I can have just as much enjoyment out of watching USU succeed as Chris can supporting the Utes. And odds are I am more likely to be a satisfied fan at the end of the season than Chris will be.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    The argument is getting soooo old.

    Yes, Utah is a member of the PAC-12. Yes, they play a difficult schedule. Yes, BYU fans wish our schedule was better.

    But Pre-season SOS rankings are pointless. We saw a Auburn team coming off a 3-9 season with a brand new Coaching staff play in the National Championship last season- They were picked to be last in the SEC. Anything can happen. That being said, BYU has 5 teams on the schedule coming off losing seasons, 3 of which were 1-11. We will likely see BYU's SOS improve when Cal and Virginia get a couple more wins this season.

    Even if it does not improve much, BYU (#97 SOS) is in pretty good company with Alabama (#95 SOS) and Oklahoma (#93 SOS)

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    "The article is about BYU, USU and Utah and yet not a single comment solely about Utah? It seems no Utah fan can comment on Utah without including comments about BYU!"

    Kralon, there is actually not a single comment that talks solely about one team except one comment. Every single comment from Utah, USU, and byu fans includes at least 2 of the 3 teams except for Chris B.'s comment that only talks about Utah. What on earth are you talking about?

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    Keep on dreaming Maxie. The Utes will win 7 games this year. The momentum will continue building.

    Its a great time to be a Ute!

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    "Did wont change the fact that they lose 9 games this year."

    I don't understand this sentence.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    I guess utie fans have moved beyond the pac ten stickers and on to the sos stickers.

    Did wont change the fact that they lose 9 games this year.

    Aug. 20, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Love the attention from all the BYU fans!

    The article is about BYU, USU and Utah and yet not a single comment solely about Utah? It seems no Utah fan can comment on Utah without including comments about BYU!

    Admittedly BYU's schedule is weaker than desired, but if anyone thinks they could do better than than Holmoe and ESPN in scheduling every game, every year, please let us know!

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    BYU wins 10 plus. Utah wins 1-5 games. We all know this. USU has a shot at winning MWC. All the Ute fans have is the our-schedule-is-better-than-yours argument. they know the season is over before it begins

  • Ironmomo Ogden, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    "Coach Christensen at Utah will be the most valuable person this season and I hope he is the future coach of our great program."

    Sounds like Chris B is predicting the firing of Whittingham and hoping his replacement is Christensen.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    "per chris, a "good" schedule and losing is better than a "bad" schedule and winning."

    I would agree that it is better to have one of the best schedules in the country and struggle than having one of the worst schedules in the country and win 10 games. Most of my extended family are byu fans and we had a discussion about this just a few days ago. Every single one of them agreed that they would rather play Utah's schedule and struggle than play byu's schedule and win 10 games.

    There is nothing glorious in beating bad teams.

    What are your thoughts Ifel Ofa Sofa? If you were an NBA caliber basketball player, would you rather play in the D-League and be a superstar and win a lot of games, or in the NBA and struggle at times, but you know you're playing against the best competition? Money aside.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    "Small teams play small ball and celebrate small rewards(beach bowl, preseason also receiving votes). lol."

    Is celebrating your SOS certificate a "small reward" or a big one? How about celebrating your annual holiday ritual of gathering around the PAC12 wreath and singing carols while cheering on your big brothers that actually represent the PAC12 in bowl games? Small team with small consolations indeed. Have fun with that...again.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    I would like to know what BYU, Utah and USU's first game opponents are saying about our teams?

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    ChrisB has made the same tired comments/predictions the last few years about the utes and said the same thing about Dennis Erickson.

    That crystal ball you have seems cracked chris.

    per chris, a "good" schedule and losing is better than a "bad" schedule and winning.

    2012 season, USU had a "bad" WAC schedule and was in the top 25 at the season end. how could that be chris?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Cletus from Coalville,

    For the Utes, it ain't over till it's over.

    USU will probably get an interesting matchup in their bowl game.

    I might watch byu play texas and USU on my new big screen hdtv. As for the rest of their schedule and prearranged beach bowl, nah.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    We Utah fans get to enjoy being at home and home having way fun watching usu and byu play in bowl games in slc on our new big screen tv and that will be way awsome.

    Go Utes!

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    Ags and Cougars will win 10+ games each. Utes will go 5-7 (again) and be stuck in the couch potato bowl (again).

    Mark it down!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    Chris B,

    Small teams play small ball and celebrate small rewards(beach bowl, preseason also receiving votes). lol.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    I predict Utah goes 7-5 and goes to the best bowl game of anyone in the state.

    Coach Christensen at Utah will be the most valuable person this season and I hope he is the future coach of our great program.