Brad Rock: BYU, Utah players take blame like grownups

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  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    Aug. 22, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    @the greater truth

    Williams was let go without punishment. The first issue occurred before spring practice even started. At the time Bronco said that the situation had been addressed and was done. It wasn't until he was busted in a second incident that he got suspended.

    "Williams said he is being punished because of a "combination" of that incident and something that happened in July. He declined to confirm whether the second incident was alcohol-related, saying that he was "just having fun. … It was back home stuff."

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 21, 2014 12:34 p.m.


    "It's because Hadley was ratted out by a ute fan instead of confessing what he did. I'm guessing right after the incident, Williams went right to Mendenhall. Hadley waited until a picture surfaced."

    First of all, there had been absolutely no evidence that "Darren Lucy" was a Ute fan, so you don't really know who ratted out Hadley. Second, there is no evidence that Williams went straight to mendenmidmajor. All that is known in the immediate aftermath of his alcohol citation was that had NOT, as Brad Rock relayed it, "messed up, yet quickly came clean about it." He DID come clean, but NOT quickly. If he had, there wouldn't have been a Mar. 23rd article released titled "Williams pleads NOT guilty to underage drinking charge". He "eventually" came clean about it...and not back in March.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    Why is it that some folks just can't help but try and belittle their "opposing" school/players. This article was simple. It was highlighting the fact that all three players took responsibility for their actions. The simple response that should be used is Kudos to them. It is not up to us to decide what, if any punishments should be imposed. That is up to their coaches.

    Some of the comments here are ridiculous and highlight the fact that there are many people, who like to hide behind the anonymity of the Internet, and thus don't have to take responsibility for their words.

    Brad Rock - Thanks for highlighting the positive aspects of these three young men.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:31 p.m.


    "The NCAA apparently thought it was much ado about nothing"

    Have you, or anyone, heard the NCAA's official position on this? If they have officially decided no sanctions warranted then that should end it. But don't you think someone, (media or BYU) would say all the rumors of gifts, safe house, free lodging, etc. were just false rumors. Then no one (ute fans or otherwise) would continue to bring it up)
    If I were a BYU administrator I would be equally or more worried about the churches' position on the "safe house" issue. Was there something called a "safe house"? If so, what was it safe from - reporting or detection of Honor Code Violations? If so and the house was that of Mr. Busby, the Director of Football Operations and an employee of BYU, what action, if any, did the church take?
    Many questions - which a simple closure statement - would answer.


    Yes the were. And it was a pretty stiff penalty. Only don't get me started as to the "infractions" - just let me say they paled in comparison with the rumored BYU infractions!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    must be a slow day for news

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    Wow - thanks DN for digging this one up again. Yet another chance for haters from both sides to take digs at the schools, coaches and players.

    Each one of these kids manned up. Why can't fans do the same?

    Good luck to all three for this season and for the rest of there football careers. I hope each has learned from their indiscretions and become better men and leaders for it.

    Move on people!

    Please start the season so we can talk gripe and rejoice about actual football.

    Go Utes!

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    Did Blackmon really get suspended an entire game for wearing earings?? I heard on the day it was announced that there was another tweet from a former coug laughing at that notion saying there is clearly more to it. I know Brunco won't talk about it, but we can all agree that there us clearly more to it than wearing earings, right?

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    dcmvey: "...(ACA) is great for the states who did it." Did what? At what democrat literature are you looking? It's initial cost, estimated at $900,000,000,000 ( that's a lot of freaking zeros!) has now doubled; the government's liability for most does not kick in (at the individual's cost of a reasonable premium)until a ridiculously high level of cost to the patient, you cannot have your own doctor or hospital as promised by the President, the small business cost has not kicked in, yet, which is estimated in the billions, and, Dr.'s who would have stayed in the profession are retiring in droves. Then, you do not know what the stipend is or what it will cost, nor do we know how many illegals have qualified (Obama now appears to be giving amnesty to many illegals). Where have you been? Are you getting a stipend at the expense of your working neighbor? Do you pay taxes at all?

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Los Angeles, CA

    "Who isn't the affordable healthcare plan affordable to? I mean, I don't think you know in Utah because your state government didn't implement it, but it's great for the states that did."

    The only folks who Obamacare benefits are the poor, previously uncovered people who now get massive subsidies.

    How can one ignore the fact that the doctors, previously paying participants who see their premiums going up $2,000 instead of down $2,500, and the tax payers ALL lose big time??

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Hadley should have been held to a higher standard, being a returned missionary and all.

  • swizzy18 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:40 a.m.


    the affordable healthcare plan is not affordable to my family nor many of my fellow students and friends with young families in the DC and VA areas. My premiums increased over 300% since the passing of Obamacare and my school gave me a choice of cutting my wife and two kids from my coverage or open a separate and drastically more expensive plan due to new Obamacare requirements. "It's great for the states that did." Not true. According to Forbes, "The law’s many mandates, fees, and taxes will increase health costs for large employers to the point that providing health benefits at work is financially unsustainable." You need to get out more. And you know we have access to national media in Utah, which apparently you don't, right?

    Props to these young men for holding themselves accountable and learning from their mistakes. They are setting good examples for their fellow teammates and the next generation of players.

  • Conosticator Boring, OR
    Aug. 20, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    @Blue Husky, Wilkinson did not impose "draconian button-down dress standards". Those standards were proposed by a committee of students and predated the "hippy movement of the 1060's". In the late 1960's BYU administration took control of the HC from the previous student committee control. They added some items specific to that era, i.e. prohibition against some popular illegal drugs, prohibitions against illegally occupying university facilities, etc. Grooming standards have evolved over the years to reflect the conservative nature of the university. In fact, the tight restrictions on beards and long hair came in the 1970's, after Wilkinson retired.

    Also, your attempt to conflate BYU HC requirements to worthy Church membership displays a willful ignorance that is laughable. Thanks for the cheap comedic entertainment.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Who isn't the affordable healthcare plan affordable to? I mean, I don't think you know in Utah because your state government didn't implement it, but it's great for the states that did.

  • rogerdodger Logan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Since we are on the subject of fessing up and as one person said "Whitt giving Wilson a free pass". What about the 2 WR's at Utah State. One with a DUI and one stealing money from a teammate and then admitting that he would have never got caught except that he was cheating on schoolwork with others. Looks like they are getting a free pass as well. No suspensions, no nothing. Theft and DUI are criminal charges but still no discipline. So its not just Whitt giving free passes. I guess the local teams are growing up and hitting the big time?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Wow. Holier than thou comments from a couple of commenters. Underage drinking, of course I never touched the stuff. I'm OK with a one game suspension on that. Earrings? Give me a break.

    The BYU dress code has never seemed sensible to me. I doubt if BYU coeds wear short shorts on campus like our high school kids do here in the OC. But beards and long hair? How about faux mohawks? Now those are ugly!

    Earnest L. Wilkinson imposed draconian button-down dress standards in reaction to the hippy movement of the 1960's. Now Brigham Young couldn't walk on campus with his beard. We have guys in our ward with beards! Shame on them. They are obviously not worthy members.

    Earrings. Give me a break.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Re: Who am I sir?

    Hey wasn't the Utah basketball program on probation not too long ago. You know what they say about glass houses.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 20, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Who am I sir?

    How about the UofU bookstore displaying a list of players and their corresponding numbers next to the jersey's for sale? Yeah, petty right? But still against NCAA sanctions. If you're going to call out BYU, then call out yourself AND everyone else. Because EVERY college has some type of infraction against the voluminous NCAA rule book. The exception is BYU self reported the Busby thing. The NCAA apparently thought it was much ado about nothing. Why do ute fans bring it up over and over again?


    It's because Hadley was ratted out by a ute fan instead of confessing what he did. I'm guessing right after the incident, Williams went right to Mendenhall. Hadley waited until a picture surfaced.

  • catseye MAGNA, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    My wife often decries the all-too-common statement "boys will be boys" -- so frequently repeated in the athletic world -- saying that that mentality is often used to give a wink and nod to all kinds of unnecessary behaviors. I think that's often very true. I've known great men who never got into much if any trouble in their younger days. Nothing wrong with that. We should raise the bar a bit, and while we can offer forgiveness when someone truly realizes their own foolishness and makes the effort to change, we should stop being so quick to cough it up to "boys will be boys." We can all do better than that.

  • RonBergundy SANDY, UT
    Aug. 20, 2014 2:28 a.m.


    Because Spencer Hadley didn't get suspended just for the alcohol.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Can't wait for the follow-up article.

    Who will man=up for the "safe house"?

    Who will provide information on NCAA violations? What was Duane Busby's role? How did he, or others, get away with it for how long?

    What players received illegal "gifts" and what were they and for how long?

    Vai Sikahema said "On every single encounter we had in Provo (and on road games), and there were many, he always placed a $20, sometimes $50, in my palm. He concluded, "Technically, Bishop xxx(I deleted the Bishop's name) was a donor and technically I was a student-athlete.” Ya think? Way to man-up citing the statute of limitations. What are the chances this was an isolated incident? Certainly this was brought to the attention of the NCAA, even if it was some time ago. I would think a technicality would not be used as a reason to not disclose a violation as Coach Mendenhal said, "..certainly we are BYU, meaning the ethics and morals and standards we aspire to are the highest in the world," In the world.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    John Charity Spring

    "Any one of the other running backs would have been just as effective if given the same number of carries. Don't forget that Hine out rushed Williams in the Idaho State game..."

    Hine, is that you?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    Don't go into politics boys. You're all much better than that.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 8:00 p.m.

    The UConn game will be an eye opener for a lot of people. Specifically, they will realize that the loss of Williams is not as big of a loss as they thought.

    The irrefutable fact is that the combination of Hine, Lasike, and Brown will be just as effective as Williams, if not even more effective. Those three have skills that will more than compensate for Williams' absence.

    There is no doubt that Williams accomplished a lot last year. But there is no doubt that he monopolized the vast majority of the carries.

    Any one of the other running backs would have been just as effective if given the same number of carries. Don't forget that Hine out rushed Williams in the Idaho State game, on fewer carries. BYU will be just fine.

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:57 p.m.

    Someone please explain to me how Spencer Hadley gets multiple game suspension and had to speak at prison for doing something legal, but Williams gets a 1 game suspension for breaking 2 laws. Let's not even compare breaking 2 laws with wearing earrings.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:17 p.m.

    Except Williams and Blackmon accepted team punishment for their actions.

    Wilson got a free pass from Wittingham.

    More to the point, words a cheap. It is accepting responsibility and paying the price for your actions that has real meaning.

    And what price as Wilson really paid?

    I just don't understand how Rock can compare the two situations.

    Feigning you are sorry just doesn't cut it.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    It does increase my respect for all three of them. Everyone makes mistakes, not everyone takes accountability for their mistakes. Sometimes, when punishment is handed down, it is met with resentment. Good for all of them for being mature.

    I look forward to watching Williams and Blackmon starting in week 2 for my Cougars. I wish sincere luck to Wilson this season. Congrats to him for securing the starting job, hope he is able to stay healthy.

    Go Cougars!