@ LonestarI would love to respond; but the D News won't allow
it. Have a great day!
Spokane UtePlaying a weak schedule only proves that you haven't
been tested as severly, it doesn't prove that you aren't very good.
Never said it did; just stating the toughness of the schedule. One thing is for
sure; playing a weak schedules proves nothing.
Spokane UtePlaying an "elite" schedule doesn't make U
"elite", it only makes U a convenient punching bag.
PavolaArizona State is ranked in the top 20 this year; and WSU has
turned the program around; going to a bowl game last year. Utah's schedule
will be ranked one of the toughest, if not the toughest, going into the season.
I hope that helps with your understanding of who Utah plays this year.
but playing against cal, asu, wsu every week makes U a better team and allows
for an elitist attitude. The P5 is the best.
AZUTE1"Furthermore, they lose virtually every meaningful game
they play."Except for Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon State, Oregon,
UCLA... etc., BYU hardly ever beats any meaningful teams.It's
hilarious how you choose to completely ignore BYU's complete domination of
Texas only a week after BYU's upset loss to Virginia in the final 2 minutes
of the game.The truth is, you don't have a clue what BYU's
final SOS will be, because you don't have a clue what the final record of
each of BYU's will be; if you did, you'd be a rich man by the end of
the season betting the farm on every game BYU's opponents play in 2014.btw, remind the last time the Utes won a meaningful game against a PAC
12 opponent on the road, that is, a PAC 12 opponent that finished with a winning
"Make no mistake about it BYU football is trending upward . Independent or
not the next several years are going to be outstanding for BYU football . You
can mark that down !"Please....byu's schedule will finish
ranked nearly in triple-digits this season. Furthermore, they lose virtually
every meaningful game they play.Case-in-point--byu had
all off-season to prepare for Uva -- L, bye-weeks previous to The U/Wisc [both
of which were coming off of grueling conference games] -- Ls, Idaho State prior
to Nd -- L, weeks to prepare for a Uw team minus all of its primary coaches -- L
[destroyed, in fact]....Lol.
@johninslc"according to the story, the cougs' "other
inside linebacker position" is called the "Buck linebacker." That does appear to be a BYU 'thing'."Nope
it's not. Once again it is a very common term for a LB. You utah
"fans" are really putting your knowledge on display on this one. lol
Good luck to Harvey! As a South Jordanite, in the Langi's immediate
neighborhood, we have watched him bring leadership to the Bingham team and
I'm sure he's just continued to grow and develop physically as well as
spiritually serving others in his church the past 2 years. We really love Ute
football, but I am also BYU alum, so I am happy to see him succeed in football
at either school and wish him the best! It will be fun to continue to follow
the season with him in it this year!
Very festive, the trolls are red with embarrassment and green with envy and it
isn't even Christmas.
JohnInSLC"So you first quoted Wikipedia for a definition of a
"Mike" linebacker,... blah, blah, blah"So what's
your point?Multiple sources prove that the naming of various
linebacker positions is not a "BYU thing" as Uteology suggested.
@FT"Any college football fan who says they would rather play in
a bowl game than a power 5 conference does not understand the sport."Well let's look at the players who either turned down a power 5
offer or transferred out of a power 5 school.Harvey Langi
doesn't agree with what you said Troy Hinds doesn't agree with
what you saidFred Warner doesn't agree with what you saidKyle
Van Noy doesn't agree with what you saidIsaiah Nacua doesn't
agree with what you saidTaysom Hill doesn't agree with what you
saidBronson Kaufusi doesn't agree with what you saidCraig Bills
doesn't agree with what you saidDevon Blackmon doesn't agree
with what you saidNick Kurtz doesn't agree with what you saidMax hall doesn't agree with what you saidJohn Beck doesn't
agree with what you saidJordan Johnson doesn't agree with what you
saidDe'Ondrey Wesley doesn't agree with what you saidAustin Collie doesn't agree with what you saidRoss Apo doesn't
agree with what you saidAlani Fua doesn't agree with what you said
@Uteology"Yet, I am 4-0 in my predictions and you are 0-4. Go
figure!"When did I say that I predicted BYU to beat utah in
2010-2013? I predicted them to beat us in 2010 and 2012, so I am not 0-4.As for your 4-0 predictions, I assume you were also correct in
predicting BYU to win 3 out of 4 from 2006-2009?Yeah, that's
what I thought. You aren't a great predictor, but sometimes your
red-goggled views happen to be right.There were probably BYU fans in
1984 who said they would win the national title. It doesn't mean they are
good at predicting, it's just a coincidence.
As a Y fan and looking to the future ,i could really care less if we never play
the U again. as it stands right now the Y has nothing to gain by playing them.I
say play 1 instate team a year which should be Utah State since their program is
on the upswing. The Y has the ability to play teams from all across the United
States which is awesome. Playing the U is no different than playing Cal in the
Pac 12 as you will see by the end of this year . We need to schedule some of the
top tier schools from each conference every year !
Make no mistake about it BYU football is trending upward . Independent or not
the next several years are going to be outstanding for BYU football . You can
mark that down !
@ekuteWhat I'm saying is that BYU has done things that the Utes will
never be able accomplish. National Champs, Heisman, NFL MVP. Utes are in a
Pac 12 Conference, that's nice and all but let's be honest. You all
won't be winning anything anytime soon. I'm glad I was around to
witness our National Champ, Miracle Bowl and all the above.
anymous:So you first quoted Wikipedia for a definition of a
"Mike" linebacker, now you switch to the Steelers for another
position?It says much about your anymous that you are so flexible.
All banter between schools aside - I wish nothing but the best for Harvey. If
he wants to be at BYU, that is where he should be. Utah has been the recipient
of many players who have come to Utah after choosing BYU first, so it
happens.I personally love the rivalry, it provides much
entertainment for me, especially since I am the only Ute fan in large family of
kewgs. Although I do not like BYU or it's football program (and a lot of
it's fans), I don't dislike the players as the vast majority of them
are good, decent people. I believe that Harvey fits into that category.So - Harvey - enjoy your time at BYU and have a great career. But, be
ready for 2016 when you will witness Utah's dominance over BYU once again -
this time from the other side of the line.
As a Ute fan, I wish Langi nothing but the best. No one should fault him for
making a choice that he believes was best for his personal life and development.
I don't appreciate the process, however, of having the mission president in
FL instigate and communicate the decision and be the one to break it to the
press. It was rather classless and poor form to not communicate with
Langi's team first. Also, seems to me a mission president should have more
important things to do but I suppose at byu football is not really fifth despite
bronco's comments to the contrary. Langi was too slow to play RB at the U
anyway but I think he'll make a great Mike linebacker (come on man, you
gotta know what that term means if you're going to comment on football
articles). He'll also have fun playing mostly sub-par teams that make you
look really good.
... against weak schedules.
midpacmajorYou're forgetting that Utah had two great seasons in
2004 and 2008 and 2004 and 2008 and...
ekute"What has that 30 year old *trophy done for BYU
lately?"AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4 > Kyle 211+ win, Top 15 FinishesBronco 3 > Kyle 1Conference
ChampionshipsBronco 2 > Kyle 1Bowl GamesBronco 9
> Kyle 7What has Utah's 2008 Sugar Bowl season done for the
Utes?Utah has been in a steady downward spiral every year since
2008.What has Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 done for the
Utes?1 bowl game; 2 losing, bowl less seasonsFrankly,
I'd much rather be spending bowl week in Dallas, San Diego, San Francisco,
or Miami, than spending it in El Paso or sitting at home on the couch.Don't kid yourself; the Utes would give their eye teeth to be the proud
owners of a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, regardless of age.
For proof, check out the 70-year-old NCAA tournament championship
banner still hanging in the HC.
JohninSLC"...according to the story, the cougs' "other
inside linebacker position" is called the "Buck linebacker." That
does appear to be a BYU 'thing'."Apparently our
friends on the hill need a primer on current linebacker terminology.Steelers Scouting Report (Aug. 12, 2014):"Long-term, it
appeared his [Lawrence Timmons] highest and best use would be on the inside, the
heir apparent to James Farrior's borderline trademarked buck position. The
buck linebacker in this defense is more of the gap-plugger."
I thought he was going to be a running back? This is exactly what the U wanted
to do to him make a defender out of him
lets be honest, Langi saw the losing ute record and wanted to play on a
significant program with national fan following. He didn't know that the
Utes would be scrambling to point to wins over BYU and play a "spoiler"
role for real teams. That gets old after a few straight years. Gooooooo
Cougs. Big year coming up.
Uteology,Kyle didn't have a chance to see him on the field. If
he has dropped 10 pounds down to 240, he'd be better suited as a
linebacker, but could be used in a hybrid role. In any case, if he had stayed
at the U, I think he would have been moved to linebacker due to the injuries.
Vai didn't ambush Whittingham with the scoop about Langi's transfer to
BYU. Langi, through his mission president, informed his parents, Whittingham,
and Mendenhall of his intentions a month before Vai's story hit. Vai was
trying to make it a bigger story than it was, perhaps, by getting a negative
reaction from Whittingham and a positive one from Mendenhall a week before
Harvey got home.Either way, good luck Harvey. You've set good
goals and have the potential to attain them. Make it happen at the Y. Go Cougars!
Best of Luck to Harvey. He is where he wants to be.
To: JohnInSLC:Buck linebacker is not an original BYU term. A number
of NFL teams over the years have referred to their positioning in the same
terms. Steelers and Bears for example. Many high schools down to Pop Warner use
it to help identify the positioning as a teaching tool as well.
As a Bingham alum; hard for me to be critical of Harvey. I wish him all the best
at BYU; hopefully its a good fit!
Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CA"Interesting how a player who
couldn't even crack the 2-deep at Utah..."And you know this
because Langi secretly tried out the first week of Ute camp? I'd say
Whitt's poor sport reaction is a clearer indication of the young man's
talent than your rantings.Go Bruins!
I also send kudos to Uteology for owning up. As someone who never played
organized football I often find myself ignorant of positions, schemes, etc. And
BYU does have some unique stuff going on (i.e. "blue zone"). RE: ekute"In the 29 years following that *trophy, what's
byu's head to head record vs the Utes?"I don't
understand why anti-BYU posters always fail to post relevant statistics. It
isn't hard to look up BYU vs. Utah 1985-2014. The head-to-head is 14-15 in
Utah's favor. That statistic is somewhat encouraging given that the 2000s
were the best decade ever for Utah and definitely a down decade for the cougars.
I'm optimistic that BYU is in the process of righting the ship. Go Cougs!
Uteology:Thanks for owning up to the whole "mike" thing. It takes
more guts to admit you were wrong than to be right, so much respect for that.As for those saying Harvey wouldn't crack the 2 deep at Utah. In
the words of the beloved Lee Corso, "not so fast". Mormon Ute did a
great job pointing out that Utah currently has only 5 LBs on scholarship that
are healthy, and "lets be honest" BYU has some very talented young LBs
coming in this year along with Fua and Kafusi who are already there. The fact
Langi has moved up the depth chart indicates to me that he's a hard worker
and talented in that position, because BYU is certainly deeper there than Utah
at this point. Uteology also acknowledged this in his reply to Mormon Ute.
Always enjoy civil discourse guys. Cheers
BlackDiamond,In the 29 years following that *trophy, what's
byu's head to head record vs the Utes?What has that 30 year old
*trophy done for byu lately?Yep. byu has gone to more bowls overall
and Utah has failed to qualify the last 2 years but the Utes have just as many
bowl wins as byu.
@Mormon UteI could be wrong but my understanding is that he was
being considered as a DE at Utah not LB. As far as being a LB at BYU, I'm
surprised that he's moving up the chart so quick considering BYU has always
had some great LBs. Maybe Bronco sees something that Kyle didn't?@phoenixWin or lose 99.9% of fans would much rather see their team
playing in a "real" conference, than being in "discussions"
every off season. Maybe you're in that 0.1% category?
As a die hard Ute and PAC12 fan I'm very disappointed he chose to transfer
but wish him all the luck down there.
"Interesting how a player who couldn't even crack the 2-deep at Utah is
vying to be a starter at BYU."Three things:1) He is
playing a different position altogether. He would likely not crack the 2-deep at
BYU on RB either.2)He was a freshman at Utah. He will be a sophomore
at BYU. That's one year more experience than he did when he was at Utah.3) Isn't every player vying to be a starter?
I hope Harvey gets the experience he's looking for at BYU and I wish him
the best. Based on these reports and the current injury status of several Ute
linebackers, any Ute fan who claims he won't be missed is kidding
themselves. The Utes could use him this season at linebacker. Of course I
believe our defense will be fine as it always is, but another strong, healthy
linebacker sure would help.
Any college football fan who says they would rather play in a bowl game than a
power 5 conference does not understand the sport. BYU is the right place for
Langi and with any luck he'll get to face an opponent in a bowl game that
the U does on a weekly basis.
"Kyle was shocked and very disappointed when he learned that Langi was
transferring to BYU."phoenix:Indeed, let's be
honest. The first Kyle heard that Langi wanted to transfer, while still on his
mission, was from Vai Sikahema in an ambush interview. So if you
want to throw Kyle under the bus for his honest reaction, you're going to
have to toss Sikahema and Langi right under there with him.
'The middle or inside linebacker (MLB), sometimes called "Mike", is
often referred to as the "quarterback of the defense."'anymous:While a middle linebacker in a 4-3 defense, or a
strong-side inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense is indeed commonly referred to as
the 'Mike' position, the Weak-side Inside Linebacker is commonly
referred to as the 'Will' position. However, according to the story,
the cougs' "other inside linebacker position" is called the
"Buck linebacker." That does appear to be a BYU
As KVN said he can play both D's and O's. Well, he only played as a LB
but he did scored too. Langi, you can do the same. Have fun and welcome aboard.
Interesting how a player who couldn't even crack the 2-deep at Utah is
vying to be a starter at BYU.
remind me again... what is the Ute bowl record since joining the Pac? Get used
to being a second tier team there, at best.
UteologyWe all make mistakes. Thanks for being honest enough to own
up to this one.BYU has always had a strong linebacking corp and the
fact that Harvey is already vying for a starting position says a lot about his
physical and mental skill set.
motorbike"Lets be honest, Langi knew he had too much competition
at the U..."Let's be honest, you're just making that
up to help yourself sleep at night.Kyle was shocked and very
disappointed when he learned that Langi was transferring to BYU.
@UteanymousIt's too bad Harvey won't get a chance to
re-introduce himself to Travis in 2014, but playing in a bowl will certainly be
worth the sacrifice of not being able to show up his former teammates.--------------He already played in a bowl game... correction, he
was already part of a team that played in a "real" bowl game.
ekutenice try, but BYU has played in TWICE as many bowls as UtahOverallBYU 32Utah 17Bronco/Kyle eraBYU
9Utah 7Win or lose, 99% of fans would much rather see their
team playing in a bowl, than sitting at home on the couch during bowl season.
Maybe you're in that 1% category.
Taysom4HeismanHeber City, UT@Uteology"What's a "Mike linbacker"?"You say utah is
going to five-peat in 2016.But this is coming from the guy who
doesn't know what a Mike Linebacker is. I wouldn't exactly take his
opinion as an accurate prediction.-----------Yet, I am
4-0 in my predictions and you are 0-4. Go figure!
@dethOrem, UTLol @ "What's a Mike Linebacker?"Now I know you don't know much about football. I'd say 99% of
football teams use "Mike" for their Middle linebacker. And if they
don't, they surely know what "Mike" means.-----------------I know enough about football to know that BYU
can't compete against Utah. Like I said, I stand corrected
about "Mike linebacker". I have never seen the term before,
just like "blue-zone". Nor have I ever seen college players enter a
game in a three point stance except at BYU. You guys just like
doing quirky things, like suspending a player for a game for wearing earrings to
practice. So I figured it was a BYU thing.
My bad, yes I have never herd of Mike linebacker before just like Blue Zone....
Figured it was BYU thing? Probably should have done some research on my part
Good luck Harvey- it will be a good experience to break back in to college
football playing mid major teams or less all year long and then going to an
insignificant bowl game. Probably better to avoid playing 6 of the top 25 teams
during the season in the PAC-12.
I think it is great that Langi is doing so well at linebacker, but why
wouldn't we keep him at running back? He was an awesome HS All American. I
know we have a great RB already, but why not use Langi's talent as well?
@ekuteWhat is BYU National Championship Record vs the Utes?
@Uteology"What's a "Mike linbacker"?"You say utah is going to five-peat in 2016.But this is coming from
the guy who doesn't know what a Mike Linebacker is. I wouldn't exactly
take his opinion as an accurate prediction.
Lets be honest, Langi knew he had too much competition at the U and therefore
more of a chance to see serious playing time at the Y. Therefore I'm happy
for Langi and hope he gets the time on the field he seeks.That said,
he'll be on the losing end of a blowout when he's a senior playing
against his old team. I've got to admit, that's going to be rather fun
Actually it's 13-18-1.
I'm glad he is playing for a team who can help him remember to cut his hair
and stuff? The day he announced he thought that was such a benefit of playing
at the Y...Had he have stayed a Ute he might have left to play with
ZZ TOP in a few years
Sione Takitaki? I thought he was dismissed from the team in July? I hope
He's awesome and now can get haircuts n stuff.
"You are really going to enjoy the rich tradition of post season play at the
Y. Does anyone know when Hansen returns ?"byu's bowl
record: 18-13-1Any questions about Chase Hansen's mission and
return should be referred to byu recruiting.
Harvey, We are excited that you decided to transfer to the Y. Welcome
aboard as I know you are going to be an outstanding player for us ! You are
really going to enjoy the rich tradition of post season play at the Y. Does
anyone know when Hansen returns ?
"What's a "Mike linbacker"? Is that a BYU thing? Like the
"blue-zone"?"Wow. Seriously? A BYU thing? Welcome to CFB
uteology...actually any level of football. Did u seriously ask this question? Or
were u trying to make a funny about BYU and failing in epic fashion? Is that a
Utah thing like copying the Miami U?
"What's a "Mike linbacker[sic]"? Is that a BYU thing? Like the
"blue-zone"?"It's not a "BYU thing" at all,
but a very common term for Middle Linebacker: The middle or inside
linebacker (MLB), sometimes called "Mike", is often referred to as the
"quarterback of the defense."It's too bad Harvey
won't get a chance to re-introduce himself to Travis in 2014, but playing
in a bowl will certainly be worth the sacrifice of not being able to show up his
Lol @ "What's a Mike Linebacker?"Now I know you
don't know much about football. I'd say 99% of football teams use
"Mike" for their Middle linebacker. And if they don't, they surely
know what "Mike" means.
"But those factors haven’t stopped the former Bingham High All-America
running back from moving into the starting Mike linebacker spot on the Cougar
defensive depth chart." -- DNWhat's a "Mike
linbacker"? Is that a BYU thing? Like the "blue-zone"?Hope Langi becomes a starter. In 2016 when Utah FIVE-PEATS, Harvey will be
the only BYU Senior to taste a win in the rivalry game.
re: Guam'Props to Whit and his staff for making it happen for
Langi.'Really ? Whit tried to block him from transferring and
was bitter about him leaving. Harvey was only able to transfer, be on
scholarship, and play this year because the utes did not have him sign a
national letter of intent when he was first recruited. Big oversight on their
part, I'd say.
People can change and it looks like he did. Good for him. At least he's
going to school where he wants to. Hopefully it works well for all involved.
The U will be fine without him.
And as a BYU fan, I remember being disappointed Langi didn't initially
choose BYU. I don't think (on his own admission) he was prepared to handle
the honor code his freshman year. Missions can bring about big changes.
It's exciting to see the quick progress he's made and that he came
home in such great shape. It seemed Whitt didn't really have a choice in
releasing him since he hadn't signed a LOI. Kyle's first reaction was
that he would not release him. I suppose for Langi it worked out well that he
didn't need it.
I will wish him the best and take joy with every success he has on the field
because I know it will be published here. And with that I know
beyond any shadow of doubt that his secret followers will come here and
comment!Welcome aboard Harvey!
Welcome aboard, Elder. Looking forward to your play on the field shutting down
any "fans" from your former school who don't seem to know how to
behave in public.Gooo Cougars!
As a U fan who was thrilled when he chose Utah out of high school, this is a
bitter pill to swallow. It's also amusing since so many Y fans had so many
negative things to say about Langi and how his character just didn't
measure up to BYU standards. However, as a father and uncle of
college aged kids who are engaged in sports, i'm glad that he has the
freedom in this day and age to go where he feels most comfortable. That
wasn't always the case in college sports. Props to Whit and his staff for
making it happen for Langi.