Clashing visions threaten religious liberty panel renewal

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  • Ranch Here, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    How can the US be a beacon of religious freedom when so many in our country are actively working to deny religious liberty to others?

    Religious liberty, to the Christians in this country means that *everyone* has to accept Christianity; nothing else counts.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 18, 2014 5:17 a.m.

    There is no such thing as "separation of church and state". When Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Baptist minister in Danbury Connecticut, the context was that the Federal Government should never dictate to a church their religious tenets. For decades after the Constitution was adopted, many states had state-supported denominations, and some state constitutions had a requirement that only Christians may run for public office.

  • kimyoungmi Salt Lake CIty, UT
    Aug. 17, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    thanks moderators for shaving down some of the off-topic Christian abuse here. to summarize,

    -the first act made a committee plus a state-dept. co-ordinator to protect foreign Christians and others
    -lately the state has not stayed close to the committee, some embarrassing gaffes were made, plus Obama's new co-ordinator seems too far left and wasn't approved
    -some on the committee openly disagreed with Obama
    -the bipartisan house bill keeps the committee alive in roughly the same form
    -the Durbin bill shortens terms, makes party requirements for leadership, apparently protects their religious views, but also reins in their free speaking, and makes them wait on the State department, basically ties the panel closer to the white house
    -former committee people think Durbin is skewing the group's independence

    Yes, they could co-ordinate better, but the mechanism is there already, why politicize it? Agreed, John, today's gov. is less friendly to christians, the committee's studies can be perverted. More reason for a more independent group, no? Christians and others have real danger, good politics in a formerly Christian nation should address it, while there is a will

  • John T Scranton, PA
    Aug. 17, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Consider the Obama administration's utter contempt for Christianity right here in America, evidenced by the ongoing attempts to completely cleanse the military and other government facilities of all traces of the Bible and Christianity, even as government funds are being used to build Muslim prayer rooms at publicly funded universities, airports, and military bases. Apparently, religious freedom only applies to politically correct religions - and Christianity is not one of those. This "Religious Freedom" panel should be allowed to die, as it is nothing more than a front used by the government for political purposes. Unless and until the U.S. gets its own act together with regard to religious freedom, it should stay out of other nation's business.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 17, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    @ the greater truth

    I'm sure your measured, non-hyperbolic response will assuage all concerns.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 16, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    @Karen R.

    IF religion is a core part of your life,

    just as extreme leftist views are part the liberal left,

    what is wrong with that?

    Your views and background and core beliefs will always be a part of your politics.

    The so-called brand of religion of the right is NOT a threat, and it's ridiculous and silly to think otherwise, and is no more threat than secularists wanting force their beliefs on everyone. Just ask Laos, Cambodia, cuba, Vietnam, north korea, china, all the former soviet union countries, any eastern European country, former eastern germany, those under threat of Nazi germany or facist Italy, and any country with dictator or king, or exercises some kind of central control.

    religious right is dangerous? what a laugher! try any extreme belief system, especially from left that has imprisoned, tortured,and murdered hundreds of millions of people making anything religious extremist might have done quite puny in comparison.

    Even here the left has given us indian reservations, german/Japanese internment camps, and under Wilson and FDR, there were numerous political prisoners, mostly media and businessmen who would not go along with their fascistic programs and control.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Aug. 16, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    @ the greater truth

    IMO, the conservative right has made the line between "religious" and "political" nearly indistinguishable. I think this is often the reason we see the liberal side react as it does. Because, despite the popular mantra, most liberals are believers too. They just recognize that the brand of religion practiced by the far right is a threat to a free society.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 16, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    “Religious Liberty Panel” huh?

    Religious Liberty sounds like a good thing, but the term, as applied by “Conservatives” in the United States has become synonymous with the revocation of the Separation of Church and State.

    “The House bill is a good bill.” You’ve GOT to be kidding. This is the US House of Representatives we’re talking about here. The US House of Representatives is INFESTED with Tea Party types, who only want to weaken the government given to us by the founders.

    House Republicans are forever harping about the government’s “War on Religion,” their term for the Separation of Church and state, one of our nation’s guiding principles they now demonize.

    The kind of Religious Liberty envisioned by “Conservative” politicos is already very much in existence in other nations.

    ISIS is employing their Religious Liberty as they move across the Middle East, murdering, torturing, and raping members of other religions.

    “The House bill is a good bill?” I really doubt it.

  • the greater truth Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    If you actually read the article, this has NOTHING to do with religions fighting.

    This is purely political fighting.

    The left and the anti-religious need to get grip on their hatred of religion. It is clouding coloring and biasing their comments, and showing their ignorance of what this article is really talking about.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Religious freedom means I can practice mine. All others are on their own.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 15, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    I think we need a Religious Abuses panel.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Aug. 15, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    Even when religious folks "unite" to fight for "religious freedom" (so-called), they can't get along.