The greater truth:You may have misunderstood why I used the statistics. I
wasn't suggesting that faith or religion causes depression or suicidal
ideation (in fact, many studies suggest precisely the opposite). My point was
that depression and suicidal thoughts can still occur or be prevalent in devout
and faithful people. It seemed that patriot was trying to suggest that
depression couldn't/wouldn't happen to people that are faithful or
trusted in a higher power when, in fact, it does exist in the lives of some that
meet his criteria for "sustain(ing) them through the highs and lows of
@Cougsndawgs Depression doesn't come from faith. It has other
causes.I believe the LDS culture is just more willing to use
science and get it diagnosed and cared for.Statistics do not really
mean anything without context.
@patriot:"when I hear of a Hollywood celeb dying of a drug OD or
suicide I am sadly not surprised. This happens alot. Most of these people have
lives that are a complete mess on the inside - drug abuse, alcohol, divorce,
depression etc...."And why is that, one might ask? Here's
an answer... They are conditioned to being the center of attention. But, when
they grow too old or outdated to be appealing to their public, depression sets
in. Then comes the drink and drugs for relief. Then comes the inevitable."...or their FAITH in a higher power that is able to sustain them
through the highs and lows of life."The 'higher power'
is too ethereal to be of much help to alotta folks without some means of
building internal resolve sufficient to meet and deal with the daily and
persistent vicissitudes and disappointments of life that almost all humans
encounter at one time or another.Some possible answers: Keep busy.
Set reasonable goals. Work hard. Avoid idleness. Develop self confidence and
control early in life. Spend a fair amount of time assisting and caring for
others in need.
Not all depressions come from a lack of faith as seems to be implied here. I
never suffered from depression until I was treated for Hep-C. For 48 weeks I
was subjected to chemotherapy and the worst side effect was depression. My
depression became so severe that I was put on the highest dose of Prozac
possible and I was watched closely to make sure that I didn't become
suicidal. I am more than a year out from the treatment and I am still using
Prozac. Many times depression does not come from a lack of faith but from a
chemical imbalance, such as in my case. Anybody who says that you just have to
have more faith and think happy thoughts, has never experienced depression.
Often people will use alcohol or drugs to fight these feelings. I never did,
but still I don't know if I ever will be completely cured. It's often
chemistry, folks, nothing else.
@GZEI agree with your thoughtful questions. All people, including
those of deep faith (Moslems, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Jews) struggle
from time-to-time with life's challenges. I know a few active Mormons that
struggle with depression, use anti-depressant medications, etc. Their faith has
not totally shielded them from trouble in their lives. Faith can be a great
support and help - especially when we let that faith motivate us to love, serve
and forgive ourselves and others for our shortcomings! I never met Robin
Williams, but I found him to be a delightful soul and despite his weaknesses I
love the man for who he was and what he brought to us all.
Patriot:Utah continues to have the highest rate of antidepressant use and
is ranked 15th in suicides per capita. I know many good LDS people
that struggle with depression, and some have indeed taken their lives. On the
LDS website is an excellent thesis written by M Russell Ballard about depression
and suicide and the questions surrounding them from a religious standpoint. I
would suggest you read it before making blanket statements about the kind of
people suffering from depression and suicidal ideation and why they are
experiencing these burdens, and how they can be treated. While I don't
completely disagree with you, the statement you made shows a clear lack of
understanding and naïveté on the topic.
You know for a fact that Robin Williams was not a man of faith? And that people
of faith do not commit suicide?
when I hear of a Hollywood celeb dying of a drug OD or suicide I am sadly not
surprised. This happens alot. Most of these people have lives that are a
complete mess on the inside - drug abuse, alcohol, divorce, depression
etc....I suspect this a sad lesson that money and fame are great but
they generally don't lead to a very long happy life. It is the core belief
system that a person has or their FAITH in a higher power that is able to
sustain them through the highs and lows of life. Those core morals/beliefs/faith
have a powerful effect on coping and sustaining and generally overall happiness
that is completely abscent from the carnal, secular world and the statictics
prove that out.