Williams focused on being a leader, embracing the BYU experience

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  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Aug. 13, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    @Ken - What in my comment is spin? I was just responding to a post criticizing Williams and accusing him of dishonesty. My response is not spin in any way. BYU did more (a suspension) than most schools would feel is warranted (we can assume only since none of us know what the suspension is all about)

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 13, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    Poyman and Ted H:

    Please refer to BlueNtheFace: "the incident with Jamaal in early 2014 was taken care of internally. Done. However, Bronco and staff put players with recent team infractions on behavior contracts (almost like probation). If the player crosses the line again, like Jamaal did after Spring ball, they get punished for both violations." Ergo, except for the subsequent infraction, Jamaal would not have been suspended - and I have no problem with that. If you do, that's on you.

    Jamaal's earlier indiscretion was handled internally, the same as TW's.

    I am not judging nor am I casting aspersions and neither should you. Move on! Dead story.

    Good luck Jamaal. I hope you have a great season!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Aug. 13, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    For the Ute fans and even some Cougar fans that don't seem to understand Bronco's policies - the incident with Jamaal in early 2014 was taken care of internally. Done. However, Bronco and staff put players with recent team infractions on behavior contracts (almost like probation). If the player crosses the line again, like Jamaal did after Spring ball, they get punished for both violations.

    Thank you to some of the Utes on here for their understanding comments. Other Ute and Aggie fans like to hold BYU to a double standard to which they can never reach. It's either "mean BYU, all kids do these kinds of things" or it's "holier-than-thou BYU". Blah.

    Go BYU!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Aug. 13, 2014 12:05 a.m.


    It appears that your first comment got removed as I didn't see it... I only saw all of the other readers who made comments about its merit... But having read some of your other stuff it's easy to imagine the quality of the content.

    It seems to me that you have been around enough to understand that in a criminal proceeding maneuvering takes place in negotiations... I don't see that it matters much with Jamaal as he has been open about the whole thing with everybody that cares...

    When you make judgmental comments about the honor code and who is and who is not following it I just have to chuckle... It reminds me of an atheist talking about religion and how one should worship... You've heard about it, you've seen it a little but you have never lived it and are summarily unqualified to evaluate its application...


    On what piece of evidence do you make the proclamation that Jamaal would not have suffered a game suspension had he not been involved in a second incident? That's what I thought.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 5:27 p.m.


    You don't buy the Blackmon thing even though that's what he said but you're convinced that Jamaal wouldn't have been suspended without this other incident since he sort of alluded to that? No flip flopping in your reasoning there is there?

    And FYI - I don't buy the Blackmon earring thing either, but I'm not flip flopping when to use a single sentence from a student to decide whether what they've said is 100% true or not. Try talking out of one side of your mouth, at least within any given article. I think football will be another loud dud across the board in Utah, but here's to being wrong..

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 12, 2014 5:05 p.m.


    Do you really believe that Blackmon was suspended for wearing an earring? I don't buy it. If that is truly the reason, then your frustrations should be directed to the school and the football department. And - as was clearly stated in my previous post - Jamaal would have also have barely got "a slap on the wrist" if not for an event subsequent to his drinking arrest.

    Criticizing Whitt and the U about how Wilson was handled is just unwarranted, especially when compared to a somewhat similar case in Jamaal Williams and how that was handled by BYU. What would concern me is the perceived disparity in discipline between Hadley and Williams. And since you brought up Hadley - "If utah suspended all of their players that had been drinking over the offseason, they could barely even put a team on the field." You're fooling yourself if you think that BYU's team would not be depleted also. Williams only got caught because his friend got pulled over.

    The one truth that is clear and undeniable - WE NEED FOOTBALL!

    Good luck to Jamaal! He seems like a great kid and I wish the best for him.

    Go Utes!!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    Vegas - I think its a stretch on your part to say Williams wouldn't have been suspended if not for this "other" incident. Yes, Williams mentioned that there was another incident and he even mentions the suspension was part of the reason(Bronco didn't say this) but from what I've seen(as a Ute fan) I just don't believe that Bronco wouldn't have suspended him for underage drinking, which is not only against the honor code but illegal(for byu kids and Utah kids and aggies and everyone else that is underage).

    If you really think Bronco wouldn't have suspended someone for underage drinking, OK, we can certainly disagree and that's fine. But I've seen Bronco handle things differently than your presumption.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 4:27 p.m.


    Just as you want to tell others not to equate what happens at byu to other places, I'll also add you and others shouldn't use the lack of an honor code as an excuse to not have a program that demands accountability. I'm a Ute fan but one who wishes more programs enforced rules like BYU does. Bronco is one of very few coaches in the nation who truly back up what they talk about.

    If you were to ask college coaches if they thought underage drinking was a big deal - its safe to bet they would answer in the affirmative. Underage drinking is just as illegal for a Ute as it is for a cougar. We could argue whether a 19 year old SHOULD be able to drink - but that's a different argument and puts you down a slippery slope as soon as we start saying people can decide for themselves which laws are worth following.

    Lets not use not having an honor code as an excuse for not doing what we should. I'm proud of Bronco for backing up what he says. From a Ute fan.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 3:51 p.m.


    That's a whole lot of rationalization there. Its ok to lie if his lawyer told him to? Is that what you are saying? Its ok to lie if there isn't much evidence to prove otherwise? Is that what you are saying?

    Wow. That doesn't seem to jive either with the be honest part of the honor code

    As for Travis Wilson - I wasn't aware he had ever lied in regards to this issue has he?

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    @Stringer Bell and Naval Vet

    Those are both very well reasoned points. I also have a lot of respect for Travis Wilson, but sometimes it's frustrating to see Devon Blackmon missing a game over wearing an earring, and then Travis Wilson violates state and federal law and barely even gets a slap on the wrist.

    It is something that comes with BYU. I understand that and I fully embrace it as well. I don't expect other schools to punish their players as much as BYU does, because the standard is higher at BYU.

    But there is no denying that BYU often leaves themselves at a competitive disadvantage over violations that take place on a regular basis at other schools, which is frustrating. Take Spencer Hadley last year. If utah suspended all of their players that had been drinking over the offseason, they could barely even put a team on the field.

    I feel bad for the players/coaches/fans who did nothing wrong but have to make up for the loss of some players. Taysom hasn't done anything wrong, but his job for the UConn game has gotten a lot harder.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 12, 2014 2:53 p.m.


    "However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game while Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide."

    Here's a quote from an earlier DN article on Jamaal: "Williams said this suspension was a combination of what happened then, and another incident — he didn't say if it was alcohol-related — that occurred more recently." It is clear that the suspension was not just for the drinking incident earlier in the year, but a combination of that and "another incident" that happened later. With that in mind, it appears that Jamaal would not have been suspended accept for the additional incident. I think your comparison between the two situations is way off base because Bronco would have let Jamaal's "thing slide" too if not for the subsequent incident.

    I do not and will not judge Jamaal for what he did, nor will I do the same for TW. Both are kids and are learning. I hope that Jamaal can learn from the multiple incidents he is being suspended for, as well as TW for his scrape with the law. Both are leaders and role models and both will come out just fine.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 12, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Stringer Bell
    Henderson, NV

    "There is nothing with that but don't complain about how other coaches handle a similar incident."

    Yeah, but I think cougar fans seem to have developed a right to expect stronger morality out of Whitt than the general population of Div I coaches. After all, didn't he play for BYU?

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 12, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Re: TaysomforHeisman "However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game while Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide."

    If every college football player that drank a beer had to sit out a game there wouldn't be enough players to field a team. Don't equate the way things are thought of and handled at BYU with the way they are viewed and dealt with in the real world. Players who attend BYU know very well what type of behavior is expected of them. There is nothing with that but don't complain about how other coaches handle a similar incident.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    @ water rocket

    Texas will have more than enough film on Wiliams. He is a two year starter, and they've played against him. It won't change the game either way, but I don't think having Williams sit out is an advantage.

  • IdahoCoog Malad City, ID
    Aug. 11, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    I love where Bronco has taken the program at BYU...but sincerely, the suspensions for relatively minor infractions n0t only may punish those suspended, but if things go wrong they may end up hurting the team absorbing an embarrassing loss at Uconn, and the fans looking forward to a good season and a big bowl. These men deserve a punishment, but one that impacts only them... like running a lot of extra stairs every day, or doing many up-downs. BYU is depending on these gentlemen to do great things, and for this they need game experience in order to shine against Texas.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 11, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    Chris, isn't there a Colorado Buff player or other power 5 player that you could spend time putting under the crimson microscope? My guess is that you agree with the Arizona Athletic Director that BYU is indeed power 5 worthy.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    @Kaladin - Spin as you can, but Chris does bring up an interesting point. Chris, don't stop my man!

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    @Chris B

    I'm not trying to get into too much legal talk here, but there are many details involved in pleading guilty or not guilty. It is not as cut and dry as it sounds. The lawyer looks at the information presented and decides which way they should go. Pleading guilty or not guilty has more to do with the evidence/consequences of the case, not the guilt of the person.

    I'm sure Jamaal's lawyer advised him to plead not guilty. Jamaal, being young and likely inexperienced with legal matters, probably simply took the advice of his lawyer.

    So it's not dishonesty.

    By the way, I would point out that Travis Wilson committed the same violation as Jamaal: underage drinking.

    However, Jamaal has to sit out 1 game while Whittingham let Wilson's thing slide. He really doesn't even need Wilson for the 1st game. Kyle is desperate for a winning season this year. He won't even let Wilson sit for Idaho State, and he threw a fit when Harvey Langi decided to transfer. He is clinging on to his career.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 7:53 p.m.

    Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for not whining, but accepting correction like a man and become even better. I love his attitude and really feel he will be one of the BYU greats for a long time to come. Saving him for Texas is going to be a great benefit for BYU. The poor Texas coaches won't have the advantage of watching any game film on Williams to prepare for the game.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    Chrissy b,
    Please let me thank you again from cougar nation for being one of our greatest,supportive and concerned cougar fans in the state of Utah . Your commitment and concern is greatly appreciated !

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    Is drinking part of the BYU experience? I think not.

    The UConn game will be an eye opener for a lot of people. Specifically, they will realize that the loss of Williams is not as big of a loss as they thought.

    The irrefutable fact is that the combination of Hine, Lasike, and Brown will be just as effective as Williams, if not even more effective. Those three have skills that will more than compensate for Williams' absence.

    There is no doubt that Williams accomplished a lot last year. But there is no doubt that he monopolized the vast majority of the carries.

    Any one of the other running backs would have been just as effective if given the same number of carries. Don't forget that Hine out rushed Williams in the Idaho State game, on fewer carries. BYU will be just fine.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    Aug. 11, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    @ChrisB - does it really matter to you? That is between him and BYU