Letter: Cancer and questions

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 12, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    To "mark" I don't complain that the poor can't get treatment. Just like me, they can get all of the treatment they can afford.

    Charity hospitals do a good job of caring for the poor. Between the charity hospitals and the charity that Doctors perform, many of the poor receive better care than I do. I don't begrudge them, but it is proof that a free market health care system does an adequate job of caring for the poor.

    What did Christ use that cost him money when helping the sick?

    If profiting from the sick and infected is so bad, then why did you support the ACA? The ACA was originally set up to have 30% excess in its fees. That excess is PROFIT that the government would reap from those that signed up for its insurance. Why can the government profit but private companies not?

    If profiting from the sick and infected is bad, what about the hungry? Should grocery stores, food processors, and farmers also be banned from profits? What about the cold and naked? How many others should not profit because somebody needs them? The only profit making industry would be entertainment.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    So, I don't understand, Redshirt, you complain that poor people can't get treatment, and yet you then support the exact same system that causes the poor not to get treatment. Charity hospitals are NOT able to provide for the treatment of all those that need it. They never have, and they don't now.

    So why don't you just be honest and say you don't think a society should help provide healthcare for all it's members, and that those without enough money should die from preventable causes? Or, put another way, that only those wealthy enough should be able to recieve quality healthcare?

    For people to think there should be profit made off of the suffering of others is very disturbing.

    For the Christians here, did Christ ever charge when he healed the sick? Did he make a profit off of the sick? Are you not to be Christ like?

    I don't understand how those that strive to be Christ like, or believe this is a Christian nation, can advocate making money off the sick and inflicted.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    I think most of you are overestimating what medical science can do for cancer and the fact that most cancers are not cureable, that it is earlier diagnosis makes it look like people are surviving a little longer.

    I think that it might make sense to cut out large amounts of existing cancers but many physicians apparently do not put their family through the misery of chemo- or radiation therapy. I wonder why?

    More thought should be directed to the cause of cancers and international surveys indidcating which nations get cancer and which typically have a very low incidence. Ask yourself why we have so much while other nations have so little.

    All health care is very expensive in the United States whether insurance is private or publicly mandated. I appreciate private because I can decide whether I want it or not, though they might take my children from me if I do not choose to avail myself of the conventional tratments.

    The cure for cancer is constant receipt of pancreatic enzymes which only the super rich can afford; all cancer victims apparently have a broken pancreas. Think diet, but we're not allowed to talk about that.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 12, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    To "mark" I don't see any problem with a medical system that is a for profit industry. The free market health care system is actually the best system that we could have. What you need to realize is that the charity hospitals and clinics are part of the free market system.

    The absolutely worst medical systems are the ones run by the government. I fear for the day that the US government finishes taking over the health care system.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2014 12:05 a.m.

    Somehow I doubt the letter is propaganda, redshirt.

    But it's good that you see the problem with a medical system entirely ran for profit. So, absolutely, let's make healthcare affordable for all and go with single payer.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 11, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    This letter is nothing more than propaganda.

    To "Alicia Monterroso" you are missing out on huge facts that are missing. The biggest is the fact that despite having insurance the poor cannot afford treatment.

    For example, if a poor person becomes ill, how are they supposed to pay for the $100 doctor visit, and the $300 in lab fees to discover that they have cancer? They still have to meet their $3000 deductible before the insurance will pay 80%. Now they find that they have cancer, and their yearly out of pocket maximum is $12,000 for what it will cover, but it doesn't cover everything for their cancer treatment. They still have to come up with $20,000 for their out of pocket maximum plus the things not covered by insurance.

    Cancer treatment wasn't affordable before Obamacare, and it still is out of their price range. So now we get to pay for insurance that they can't use because they can't afford the out of pocket expenses.

    Aug. 11, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    While I agree with Alicia's premises, another part of this issue is our attitude regarding death. When my mother, who suffered from Alzheimer's for over 10 years, was diagnosed with cancer, I was devastated. Not only was she suffering from that horrible pain; she didn't understand why. Luckily, she passed after only a few days and hospice was able to control most of her pain. But I spent a few days wishing with all my heart the euthanasia was legal and wondering what I would do to help her.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    I suggest a little more research is needed for those that quote platitudes in an attempt to disparage those who see advantages to a single payer healthcare system. No one gets something for nothing. All would participate. You are paying more than double for healthcare whether you use it or not than the rest of the world but yet on average outcomes are in the middle of the road at best. It has been suggest we start getting our moneys worth. I believe it is our obligation to see that everyone has access and that a healthy society benefits us all in ways too numerous to see. It's too bad some feel good healthcare is some kind of litmus test for their personal economic success.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    "The bigger question is this: do we want to become just another European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to foot the bill for every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves?"

    John, what a spurious argument. NOBODY is saying the government, the taxpayers, should "foot the bill for every want and need" for anyone. Nobody, (not even marxist, I'm sure) is saying this. What reasonable people are saying is that people SHOULD NOT DIE because they cannot afford health care. People should NOT be forced into massive debt to pay for medical care for themselves, or their loved ones.

    THAT is what reasonable people are demanding. And I'll say it again: NOBODY is asking for taxpayers to provide for peoples "every want and need."

    I WANT a nice motorcycle. I WANT a nice trip to Europe. NOBODY is asking the taxpayers to provide me with these things. NOBODY.
    Your argument is absolutely spurious!

    Now, if you are done with your false arguments, perhaps we can have an honest discussion about health care in this country.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:27 p.m.

    RE: John Charity Spring " The bigger question is this: do we want to become just another European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to foot the bill for every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves? "

    Yes we do. It would be an improvement over what we have now. At some time in everyone's life he or she cannot support himself.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 3:07 p.m.

    I agree with JCS. We can no longer afford entitlements. Just because you're head of an insurance company doesn't mean you can cut my health care just because you don't feel like paying for my cancer treatments.

    Just because you're head of a corporation doesn't mean you can determine which medications my wife uses.

    We need to end private insurance and go to a single payer system. Why should corporations make billions because we get sick? Why do they feel entitled to our money?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    I'm sorry for your loss.

    The sad truth is that several thousand people die in the US every year from many treatable illnesses, not just cancer. This is a problem that predates Obamacare and was actually part of the impetus behind health care reform.

    Obamacare does have problems, but it is a step forward from what we had.

    Americans pay more for health care and have worse outcomes than citizens of countries that offer single-payer/socialized medicine.
    The fact that we allow our lives and health to be treated as for-profit commodities is insane.

    It is time to bring the US into single payer healthcare and stop letting people die for lack of basic medical care.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    Every now and then we hear this kind of story, which actually occurs all the time but goes unnoticed beyond those affected. It's why we really, really need a single payer health care, not health insurance, system.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    This is the central issue of our time, which encompasses must more than health care. The bigger question is this: do we want to become just another European-style entitlement state which forces taxpayers to foot the bill for every want and need of those who refuse to support themselves? Clearly, the answer should be No!

    Charles Dunoyer famously stated that "one consequence of the industrial regime is to destroy artificial inequalities, but this only highlights natural inequalities all the more clearly." Dunoyer continued', "superior abilities . . . are the source of everything that is great and useful . . . Reduce everything to equality and you will bring everything to a standstill. " This is why state intervention of any kind must be rejected. Natural inequalities such as differences in physical, intellectual, and moral capabilities are crucial to an economy of growth and innovation.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    @Lyn52, Insurance is not healthcare. It is a gimmick to extract money from patients. The ACA is nothing more than the first step to get more people to pay their way. Nothing un-American or anti Capitalist about that. If we were serious about providing quality healthcare for all we would adopt a single payer system that could reach all with minimum out of pocket expenses by pooling everyone. As things are now and before the ACA, the patients to which the author refers must be of means to afford the best and it is still the biggest factor of personal bankruptcy and when you consider a big majority of those filing have insurance then something is terribly wrong. The future of the ACA remains to be seen but until we move on expect more of the same.

    Aug. 10, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Alicia Monterroso makes a very good point. She makes this statement ". Can you imagine someone you love dearly such as a mother, wife or sibling suffering in such awful pain? Can you imagine the guilt of not being able to save someone because of lack of funds? Time passes quickly, and days with sick loved ones must be cherished. A minute more is worth far more than we realize."

    This very scenario is being played out over and over in our state because of the lack of action of our Governor Herbert and the State Leg. They sit on their hands playing political games talking out both sides of their mouths, while enjoying first class health care for themselves and their "loved ones".

    A lot of suffering could be eliminated by a little conscience, compassion, a lot of backbone and the stroke of the pen!

    It's long past time to man up Governor!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    This letter is a great indictment of the old (and continuing) abuses of the medical insurance industry. Obamacare has nothing to do with it because it was so badly watered down that it did little to bring the abuses of that industry under control.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    "Obamacare is not healthcare, but the insurance you buy is."

    More sour grapes for Obamacare being a smash success and your boy losing in 2012?

    They're the same thing. Both help to pay for the health care provided by the medical community. You trying to make health insurance out to be somehow better than Obamacare only shows how bitter the right it still. Keep dwelling on it, cuz it's gonna be a very long time before the GOP sniffs the White House again.

  • Lyn52 Saint George, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    Obamacare is not healthcare, but the insurance you buy is.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:47 a.m.

    How would anyone know about these treatments when the Republican Party has already shifted focus to the IRS, Benghazi, black opt helicopters, and now the lawsuit to impeach the President?

    People here complain about the biased media. In reality, the media doesn't help Obama out at all. If they really were on his side they'd stop worrying about covering the GOP garbage scandals and would remind folks of the massive success that Obamacare is.

    The right's desire to pollute dialog today with fake scandals and garbage paranoia and pessimism has been extremely successful.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 12:26 a.m.

    This is a poignant and important letter. It illustrates that health care is still very much under the control of the so-called "medical-industrial complex." Those of us who wanted single payer or "medicare for all" foresaw these issues.

    People need to demand care for their loved ones, and back up that demand with action. In the future new political parties will arise which propose health care solutions. Seek them out and support them if they make sense.