John Florez: Let's make it one nation, indivisible

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  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 10, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    I like some of the solutions that James E proposed. Make school year round, end social promotion, end teacher tenure and base their continued employment on evaluations. We are also going to have to admit that all kids will not go to college, and that vocational training is necessary. This means we must have a tiered educational system: college track, vocational track and life skills track (for the challenged kids).

    We will also need to make sure that education is based on science, not belief. We will have to fully fund a living wage for school employees, and we might need to end the bottomless pit of interscholastic sports. (After all is this not about education?)

    So the issue is not a left/right issue, but one of choices for all school aged kids. Most likely none of this will ever happen since so many people are so heavily in our current educational businesses. But, it is nice to wonder: what if?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Jaescmeyer.... travel outside in the rest of the world.... and then just maybe you will realize what a blessed life you really live. The problem is we have become accustomed to our life styles. We expect that some how our homes will be bigger than our parents homes. That we will have more luxuries. My dad raised me in a house twice the size of the house his parents raised him in. I have raised my kids in a house more than twice the size I was raised in. Most Americans have never really felt the desperation of not knowing where their next meal will come from.

    Lets be real honest - we have it very good - and for us to whine that it isn't still getting better just shows how spoiled, or ungrateful we as a people have become.

    Travel the world. Visit places that make you uncomfortable.... because that is how a good portion of the world lives. The recent generations seem to have no idea just how good they still have it.

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    @ James E

    So essentially, we need to do everything the far right wing wants in regards to education?


    That ain't happenin.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Problem what? We need to retool education for the 21st century. Goodbye to summer breaks, goodbye to social promotion, goodbye to a unionized, indifferent labor-force. We need to set performance standards and make kids attain them. We need to teach real skills needed to get a good job. We need to hold teachers and administrators responsible for performance within their scope of authority and de-centralize curricula to meet local conditions. We need to make education effective and efficient and serve kids, not be used as a permanent jobs for people who can't do anything else and warehouse kids until they're 18yo only to release them into the wild without any value or values.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    Aug. 10, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Simply uniting to be "indivisible", if not under God, can't last and won't bring back the success He's blessed us with.

  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:42 p.m.


    Well-written comment, I thought.


    Both parties do this.


    I think this is for you to decide.

  • Kim Cedar Park, Texas
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    The author needs to be more specific. It is all well and good to speak of the need to come tighter and unite on education matters, but how does he propose to accomplish this?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    How do you make a nation indivisible when one political party states that it's entire purpose is to make the president a one term President?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 9, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    One of the greatest blessings I have from moving from Utah is the idea that somehow there is one right way, that people must behave in a singular fashion, that some how we are this nicely defined society where everything must be the same, that idea was permanently and irrecoverably shattered. One of my favorite things I get to do is when I travel the world is to visit local wards and branches. And yes, the church, or perhaps better said the gospel is the same from place to place, thankfully the people are not.

    The gospel is a perfect example how diversity and doing the right thing can go hand in hand. We can have a set of common values, and yet have many different ways of realizing those values in our own lives. There are those who choose to exploit those differences mostly in an effort to gain wealth or power. Very seldom do their efforts ever result in anything "praise worth or of good report".

    I would hope those we elect can see beyond party first rhetoric and represent for those things that advance all Americans. Anyway.... this just my opinion... for what it is worth.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    I believe John makes a lot of good points in this article.
    We are, as a society, becoming too complacent in accepting mediocrity in our lives. And changing that all starts with raising the education bar.
    There is a strong correlation between the level of our standard of living and the world standing of our level of education excellence. We're truly becoming too complacent in what we're willing to settle for. The resultant long term effects are not and will not be good,... nor acceptable to many of us.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Mr. Florez. What in the world are you talking about? We have the Depts. of Education, Defense, Housing, IRS, ACA, and, of course, the War on Poverty that ended it, a unified voice (thus spoken by our Supreme Court) on abortion, and the latest unifying issue, Gay marriage! What is it that you are talking about? What is it that you don't like about all these wonderful programs and unifying voices? Perhaps all those unifying and defining moments of greatness the last forty or fifty years may not be enough. Yes, Common Core, must be the last unifying piece to bring us all together! I am a little confused, however. I had been thinking, unclearly I'm sure, that fathers in the home, children brought together in prayer as a means to heal my family and this nation , and looking to God for answers might do it better. I am going to have to rethink this, but thanks for the reminder (I think).

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    "Let's make it one nation, indivisible"

    Sounds good. Let's do it.

    Lessee now . . . I guess we should first focus on what is dividing the country, and just get rid of it.

    Ever since the Fairness Doctrine (Look it up) was repealed during the Reagan administration, Extremist demagogues over the airwaves have been given free rein to lie, misrepresent, prevaricate, exaggerate, distort, deceive, and lie some more . . . With no fear of contradiction.

    Pioneers like Rush Limbaugh, who first exploited this niche have found it highly profitable. By rousing the rabble with prejudice-reinforcing diatribes, these "Conservative" entertainers have raked in millions of dollars in ad revenues and book royalties. And their happy, willfully-deluded fans have gone on to actually walk that ridiculous talk. Right Wing heroes like Tim McVeigh have continued on to glory by acting on the anti-government, anti-common-sense hate they hear on the radio.

    So . . . We have defined the problem. That's the first step. Now how do we deal with it?


    BTW, the founders recognized the potential for this problem. Read Federalist 10, but thought the vastness of the nation could keep a mob mentality in check by making communication difficult.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    "other nations such as China and India are emerging as the next economic powers by producing a more educated work force."

    That and labor so cheap that it's virtually slave labor. And lack of regulations, because who cares about employee safety and environmental protections?

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    Excellent article, premise and conclusion. Agreed

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Kinda had to do, when --

    Some think 47% are not worthy to live here,
    1% of the "owners" own everything, while the 99% of us who produce it, grovel and just squeak by,
    You are either "for" the GOP, or you "against" God and Country...

    Many of us can't even go to Church, and worship God with those who should share Religious Beliefs without being hammered mercilessly.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Does this apply to corporations? Because, they are people after all. But I see corporations using inversion tactics to avoid paying Uncle Sam. So they get all the subsidies and benefits of "living here" but don't pay for them.

    "Ask not what your country can do for you; But what you can do for your country."

    Americans have proven to be willing to die for their country. What are our newest citizens, corporations, willing to do?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 1:18 a.m.

    American capital is investing in China, not in the United States. For this reason many U.S. students reason: what good is an education if there's no job waiting at the end of the arduous education process? Care to answer, John?