40 years after the resignation of President Nixon, impeachment should not be a political ploy

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  • Lyn52 Saint George, UT
    Aug. 19, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    I attended a Chris Steward town hall last year, a young man stood up and told the congressman that he is a member of the ROTC, then proceeded to ask when was the congress going to start impeachment against the President?? For what?? Because you don't like him?? I asked that question in the town hall and you could of heard a pin drop. Unless my memory fails me the President has not committed any actual crimes.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    Didn't the Democrats talk about impeaching Bush?

    Answer: Yes.

    Talk is talk. Get over the partisanship. Opposition is opposition. Let it all play out.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    impeachment of Barack Obama is 100% valid but sadly has zero chance of success with the Senate being the blocker. The man is lawless and arrogant and corrupt but the only way forward to impeach would be to have the results of IRS investigation showing the clear link to the White House (which there most likely is). This investigation is dead in the water until Harry Reid is out as the leader of the senate...the man will simply road block anything and everything. So set impeachment aside for now....

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Aug. 11, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    The funny thing is that there are twice as many Democrats talking about impeachment than Republicans. Most of the Republicans that are talking about impeachment say that there are no plans for impeachment.

    The liberals are using this as a political distraction and rally point. Republicans have no intention to impeach Obama.

  • lynnea1 JEFFERSON CITY, MO
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:47 p.m.

    Lou Montana: Two wrongs dont make a right. Actually, we have to get the government under control sooner or later, why not now? Obama is every bit as crooked as Bush was. It doesnt matter to me what party they're from; if they're trying to take our rights away & give them to other countries, they need to go. But then, there's the question, who in our political world has the integrity to lead the way we need our government to be led? Rather disheartening, IMO.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    During the presidency of George W. Bush, several American politicians sought to either investigate Bush for allegedly impeachable offenses, or to bring actual impeachment charges on the floor of the United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee. The most significant of these efforts occurred on June 10, 2008, when Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with co-sponsor Robert Wexler, introduced 35 articles of impeachment against Bush to the U.S. House of Representatives. The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee on June 11, where no further action was taken on it.

    The correct answer is yes.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    Of course Barack Hussein Obama (is he Osama's brother) needs to be impeached. But will he? No.

    And the reason for impeachment is that he goes off and does things on his own. The way our system of governance works is... if the president wants something done he goes to the US Congress and asks them to consider it and if they approve, pass a law, including the appropriation of funding. Then the president carries out the law passed. He doesn't make things up out of whole cloth. He doesn't go off on his own hook with his 'pen and phone' in hand. His job, per the US Constitution, is to see that the laws (as passed by the US Congress) be faithfully executed. That's it. Nothing else.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    prelax: There was some talk, nothing this serious. I know Rocky Anderson gave a speech. It was as stupid then as it is as stupid now. I hope this isn't the new course for our government. A president gets elected and the Congress, which may be controlled by the opposition party threatens impeachment. This will not be good for our country.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    GOP: We don't have time for meaningless symbolic gestures. We have serious problems. The president won't be removed. Deal with this reality and do something actually useful like working with the Dems to help our country go forward...

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    "Didn't the Democrats try to impeach Bush?"


  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    There is only one word adequate to describe the action of the GOP in all this.

    That word is S-T-U-P-I-D

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    "Didn't the Democrats try to impeach Bush?"


  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Aug. 10, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    The GOP is never got over Nixon. They try this with Clint, now they are trying it with Obama. Sometime shortly after November 11, 2016 they will be trying it with another Clinton.

    The rhetoric against Obama always includes overt or subtle attitudes about race. The presidents primary crime is "… while black." As in "walking while black," "driving while black," or "presiding while black." Racial profiling is common in many parts of the country, especially the south and in the GOP.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 8:53 a.m.

    Didn't the Democrats try to impeach Bush?

  • Lyn52 Saint George, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    Talk radio is ripe with this, so is conservative TV, but who runs the GOP?? They actually have to have a real charge against the President, not just a great dislike of the man.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    Aug. 10, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    Let us all not forget that right wing radio was calling for the removal of the President only weeks after his first election. There has been an ongoing and concerted effort by Republicans to negate two elections by calling into question the President's citizenship, his ethnicity, his religious predilections, his loyalties, and indeed his politics.

    How that man gets up in the AM each day and does good for the country is a wonder to me. Any of the rest of us facing such unrelenting hatred and lies would have chucked it a long time ago.

    I believe that years from now that Obama will be seen as some sort of martyr for the country, if only because of the withering unwarranted criticism dealt to him.

    And the right wing movements that have demonized the President will be remembered as the unwanted step child of Joseph McCarthy. There is a legacy I will celebrate.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 8:06 p.m.

    @aniti bush Obama
    So remind us again how the tea party has been doing during primaries.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    The GOP is just showing that it can do nothing helpful in this country. I'm ashamed of their antics and the Deseret News need to start giving better coverage to both sides.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    If you really want Joe Biden to be president you should have just voted for him.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    Frankly put, the GOP's threats of impeachment are shameful, plain and simple. They mock our system of government, the Constitution, and the rule of law.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    A very common sense editorial. Thank you.

    We must have a governable nation. If each side seeks to simply destroy the other through any means possible, there won't be a nation left for "our side" to govern.

    No matter our politics, we should surely see that the survival of the nation trumps the ascendancy of our particular ideals.

    I beg all to read Washington's Farewell Address. Forgive please my religious tone but I see his views of America's opportunities and trials to be almost prophetic. His insights into the destructive nature of partisanship are still highly relevant today.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    Obama will only be president for a couple more years. It would take longer than that to either win a lawsuit or impeach him, even if such action may be justified. Don't waste the taxpayer money with either of these actions, please.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Aug. 9, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    It would seem that any move to take the extreme step of overturning the election of a President should be bipartisan to say the least.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    "Why should the President be excluded from the system if there is evidence that he misused the powers of his office?"

    He shouldn't and isn't excluded.

    If there's grounds for impeachment, then bring on impeachment. Otherwise, all this GOP chest-puffing is nothing more than the federal equivalent of police harassment.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    As I pointed out in another article, the House of Representatives convicts a President when it impeaches him. By itself, this has little meaning. Only the Senate has the power to inflict the corresponding punishment of removal from office.

    For Pres. Obama at this time, it is a very remote possibility. I'm glad his supporters are willing to fork over the dough in face of this minuscule threat.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Theatrics at it's most deplorable. By all accounts, when compared to our past Presidents, Obama is center-right in terms of policy and yet conservatives can't seem to come close to wrapping their heads around that fact.

    I am not a Democrat and I don't like that they are raising millions upon millions of dollars off of this - which will only help them solidify the duopoly that exists in Washington. However, it is hilarious to note that the DesNews has printed this article, it seems even they are realizing that conservatives are literally pushing themselves off a cliff. This has nothing to do with the DesNews' respect for the office of the President, etc..., rather it is their weak attempt to help the GOP avoid self-destruction.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    I'll agree that Obama should be impeached when the right agrees that Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rove can be tried for war crimes by a middle-east council.


  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    It'd be nice if some people realized that Presidenting while Democrat is not an impeachable offense...

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Impeachment talk was first floated by Republicans purely as red meat to keep their far-right base's wallets open. Now that they have realized that the only thing it does is energize Democrats while making themselves look ridiculous to the majority of Americans, and so they're disingenuously whining that it wasn't their idea in the first place. Pathetic.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    First some Republicans (like Palin) were calling for impeachment. Then some (like McCain) realized that it could backfire on them politically in the upcoming elections. Then they claimed Democrats were actually hoping for a move to impeach and covertly encouraging it. They next speculated that Obama himself would take some executive actions to initiate the impeachment process. Now the very conservative Deseret News is saying that this is all trivializing impeachment, which should not be used for political purposes. What a fantastic speculative drama is unfolding over what was likely not a serious, realistic or constitutionally valid issue in the very beginning.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    “To bandy about impeachment threats today as a political ploy is an insult to that history and a disservice to the electorate.”


    And it is Republican Politicos who, almost ROUTINELY, have bandied about the impeachment threat. It excites their base of support.

    The list of Republican incumbents who have discussed impeaching President Obama is a long one, and it includes Utah’s own Republican Congressman Jason Chaffetz

    But now it’s very apparent that all this impeachment talk on the part of Republican demagogic geniuses is solidifying the Democratic base too.

    In essence, Representative Chaffetz and his vocal Republicans colleagues are doing a wonderful service for Democrats, by raising multiple millions in campaign money for Democratic Candidates.

    Thank you Representative Chaffetz for doing so much good for the Democratic Party.

    We’ve raised millions in campaign funds, and we could not have done it without YOU.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    I read the headline and was surprised to see something so truthful come from this paper's editors, but then I started reading the body of the opinion and my low expectations were met. Only the News could turn this around and blame it on the Democrats, completely ignoring the impeachment talk comes from the right. All one must do is look at the comments on this thread from conservatives to see origins of the idea of impeachment. The one thing that this opinion got right is impeachment should not be a political ploy, but it's the Republicans and Tea Party who are the culprits.

    Aug. 9, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    As already quoted, the conditions for impeachment are: "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Article II, Section 4).

    The lowest level of cause for impeachment is a misdemeanor. This POTUS has done much worse than that by his lying and unilaterally changing a law that has been passed by Congress. The problem is that we have come to feel that removal of a POTUS will be bad for the country. It won't. What is bad is to let any POTUS get away with these reasons for impeachment and removal from office. Unfortunately, that is what has happened in the past 50+ years. The current POTUS knows history and isn't afraid of any possibility of being removed from office. We are in a sad place right now and it won't change until we get some elected officials in Washington that are true patriots who care more about country than party affiliation.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    To all of you shouting "he's a tyrant!": you are aware that that's nonsense, right? He's a politician whose policies you disagree with. That's it. That's all. Ratchet down the rhetoric, if you really are a patriot.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    Nothing is uniting democrats more and re-energizing their base while demoralizing the GOP's than this impeachment talk nonsense.

    I have a feeling that the midterms aren't going to be very pretty for the repubs. Repubs have ticked off the wrong base.

    Time to vote out all republicans and try the tea party for treason!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    One Vote

    "Good thing the tea party has ran its course."

    You wish. It's only going to get stronger.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 9, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    @mountainman: Bush enjoyed his rein of terror and you cheered him on. Every time anyone spoke out against Bush and his actions it was like a scene form a old fascist move where storm troopers would smash them to the ground and drag them away. How do you like Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? The GOP praised Bush for these two direct hits to our constitution. Now you are awake and screaming foul at Obama?? Was you asleep during the glorious years of GW? Was you at the coliseum while Roam burned?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    It would work great!

    President serves three years, and everybody else two.

    Too many decisions are based on re-elections. A big waste! Give others the chance to serve their country.

    Political office is

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    It's already a proven track record for the GOP --

    When you can't win on merits,
    Can't win in elections or re-elections,
    Can't win public opinion,
    Can't win by shutting down the Government,
    Then why not throw out the nuclear option and just trump up something
    - anything -
    and try impeachment.

    And don't any of you think they won't,
    They already have a proven track record,
    it is exactly what they did with Bill Clinton.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Make sure Jason "impeachment is on the table" Chaffetz get the memo.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    RE: Mainly Me "Obama is a criminal ..."

    Talk like this is driving permanent wedges into American society. Dangerous to the system? You bet.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    How many impeachable offenses has he done and not been. Belief is only what you can count on or depend on.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Good thing the tea party has ran its course.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    The only reason the D-News is lamenting the talk about impeachment is because Democrats are deriving an advantage in fundraising via the energizing effect this subject has on the Democratic base.

    Otherwise, the D-News and Republicans would quietly let the discussion pull Obama down, would look the other way.

    Where was the D-News, where were reasonable Republicans, when the ridiculous "controversy" about Obama's birth certificate was the topic? It wasn't enough that the State of Hawaii repeatedly declared Obama was born in Honolulu. It took Obama releasing his actual hand written birth certificate, which of course was insufficient for the extreme conspiracy theorists, but it effectively ended the entirely out-of-hand faux controversy designed to de-legitimize the President.

    Why should anyone think Republicans and the D-News are now high-minded idealists?


  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    What do the citizens expect Congress to do with a President who openly violates his oath to protect and defend the Constitution? What do the citizens expect Congress to do with a President who refuses to enact the laws passed by Congress? What do the citizens expect Congress to do with a President who signs into law legislation that was passed illegally by the Democrats in Congress?

    We have laws that govern government. One of those laws is that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Article II, Section 4).

    We have a police force in every town in America whose job it is to collect facts about anyone who is suspected of committing a crime. We have courts that give a trial to anyone arrested. We have juries whose duty it is to decide whether the State presented sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed.

    Why should the President be excluded from the system if there is evidence that he misused the powers of his office?

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    It's unfortunate that the proposed basis for impeachment has degenerated from "high crimes and misdemeanors" as envisaged by the Founding Fathers into "not doing things the way our party wants him to do them." None of the impeachment proponents have played the movie all the way to the end of the last reel, considering what full-blown impeachment proceedings would do to the country and our economy. Impeachment is really a nuclear-option to be reserved for a president who tries to be a dictator in the literal sense of the word, not something we drag out every time he issues an executive order we don't like in order to get around an obstructionist congress that's determined to bring ruin to the country in order to keep a president they don't like from having a successful presidency. Too many extremists would follow a scorched-earth policy, blocking everything Obama does no matter what the cost, and then want to cry "impeach him" when they fail.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    How do you hold a lawless president accountable? Can't impeach him, can't sue him, congress can't stop him, even the SCOTUS can't desuade him! Obama is totally unaccountable! Perfect definition of a monarchy! This has happened in other countries and the result have ALWAYS been disastrous!

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Aug. 9, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    The Democrats may be using talk of impeachment to fund raise, but they didn't start the discussion. Here is very partial list of Republicans discussing Obama's impeachment.

    Mike Huckabee, Jim Tracy, Steve King, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Steve Scalise, Jason Chaffetz, Ted Yoho, Lou Barletta, Steve Stockman, Kerry Bentivolio, James Inhofe, Blacke Farenthold, Louie Gohmert and many of the AM conservative talk radio hosts.

    The delusional wing of the extreme right has gotten so upset that the more rational members of the GOP have had to sue the President, in an attempt to placate the impeachment crowd.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:49 a.m.

    "To bandy about impeachment threats today as a political ploy is an insult to that history and a disservice to the electorate."

    Surely to follow will be the discussion of "well, your side did it also"

    Question to those on the right.

    Do you believe Obama should be impeached?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:35 a.m.

    What it should be but won't is fact!

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:12 a.m.

    Let us show our weakness to our enemies by fighting amongst ourselves. China and Russia are loving our civil unrest. They are waiting for the slightest hit of a collapse. Why would we fail ourselves by impeaching our own President?

    House Speaker John Boehner should be tried for treason for attacking one of our own soldiers who was held captive for five years. Now this impeachment grand standing is another fine act of his. He is trying to create civil unrest and doing his best to destroy this country. I am sure he picks up his government check every two weeks and enjoys the best healthcare WE can pay for. Why doesn't he just do his job and clean up the mess that he helped create?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 1:05 a.m.

    "If carried through [an impeachment] to a successful conclusion, it would negate the will of the people as expressed in an election."

    Well said. If the Republicans were to impeach Obama it would strain the unity of this country. And an impeachment and conviction would lead to rebellion in the streets. We socialists hope we are ready.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:39 a.m.

    John Boehner may say that he is not going to pursue impeachment, but it should be painfully obvious by now that he has no control whatsoever over his caucus. How many times now has he had to withdraw a bill because his own people won't vote for it?