re Mike Richards (Sat Afternoon)... All church up to that point were
false? So, the answer is to start another?
@ freedomAgreed, but (1) are they problems? and (2) if they are
(I'm not sure they are) you have to take the author of this article to task
and not the church as a whole as this is not an official church statement nor
even close to being one. You might be able to take the direct supervisor of the
author to task too.
There is, perhaps, only one church in all the world, that has a different
speaker each week, and that is the Lord's church, which believes in variety
and sharing the pulpit. No one person dominates.
Mike,the words you posed came out of a mans mouth. In any court,
that would he heresay and would be disregarded. Possibly self
serving, don't you think?Kind of like a kid telling his sister
"mom told me to tell you to clean my room"
All I have to say is that the Holy Ghost can reveal the truth of all things.
Sad to say even the LDS church has problems with alleged revelations from the
internet and that it's finances are secret. I think the criticism is a
little disingenuous. I love the LDS church but we first and foremost need to be
seekers of truth and fairness so this particular criticism of another church
without recognition of our own problems with the same exact issues doesn't
strike me as particularly fair or truthful.
JoeBlow,Why not ask Christ? Don't you think He would know
which church was "correct"?He answered that question so
plainly to Joseph Smith that no one can misunderstand. Joseph Smith said,
"I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the
sects was right, (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all
were wrong) and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of
them, for they were all wrong, and the Personage who addressed me said that all
their Creeds were an abomination in his sight, that those professors were all
corrupt, that “they draw near to me to with their lips but their hearts
are far from me, They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a
form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof.” He again forbade me
to join with any of them and many other thing[s] did he say unto me which I
cannot write at this time."Now, are you going to argue with
Christ or are you going to follow Him as He directed?
"One of the problems with celebrity pastors is that it’s very
difficult to draw a line between advancing the gospel and advancing the
preacher."------------This has been going on for a long,
long time.There was a pretty good 1960 movie based on the 1920 novel
by Sinclair Lewis, "Elmer Gantry", that comes to mind. It has Burt
Lancaster in the role of the mesmerizing and decadent but ultimately
"saved" preacher/salesman with a couple of beautiful but compromised
women, played by Jean Simmons and Shirley Jones, as two of his
"victims". It has all the drama this guy Mark Driscoll has, and more,
and all for the price of a DVD rental which, at the library, is just a smidgen
of your taxes.
"It's a sad day when people don't know the difference between a
Church that is built upon Christ's foundation....and a church that is built
by someone who has found his "niche" as a preacher to get gain from the
gullible."I think it is much tougher than you think. Tell me Mr Richards. Is the Baptist church "built upon
Christ's foundation"?How about the Catholics, Islam or the
Jehovah's Witnesses?Certainly some would claim that Joseph
Smith "found his "niche"" ... "to get gain from the
gullible"Yes Mr Richards. It is definitely tougher than you
think. It all depends on who you ask
Religion today is not more than celebrity showmanship and old time hucksterism.
The examples in this piece, reflect the genesis of the arms distance many people
have with religion.Believers will feel these kinds of examples
don't reflect their religion.Non-believers will feel these
kinds of examples are one of the reasons they are un-believers.
It's a sad day when people don't know the difference between a Church
that is built upon Christ's foundation, having authority from Him to teach
His doctrine and perform His ordinances, and a church that is built by someone
who has found his "niche" as a preacher to get gain from the
gullible.There is a simple way to know whether a Church is
Christ's authorized Church: we ask Him AFTER we have done what He has asked
us to do; after we have learned to pray; after we have learned to tithe; after
we have learned to keep ALL of His commandments, not just those that we agree
with; after we have studied the literature that He has given us through His
prophets, both ancient and modern; after we've tried to walk in His shoes
and do His deeds. When we have done our part, when we have "an eye single
to His glory", when He knows that we're not just "kicking
tires", He will instill in us a testimony. Until we do that, we are like
those he cautioned about when He told us not to cast pearls before swine.
Reminds me of the mindset I experiences growing up in the church here. Anything
contrary to the narrative was considered "anti-mormon literature".
Don't pay mind to the man behind the curtain...
@Understands MathAs an interesting comparison when LDS Church
leaders have spoken about the internet they've simply said to be careful
about what you read and to consider the sources of material. While I believe the
LDS Church is just as false as Driscoll's he does seem to be a bit more
maniacal and controlling in this case. To tell members to never read anything
about him or the church at all is creepy in my opinion.
Oh the fate of the televangelists (now they're "megapastors"?)
Remember the Bakers?Somewhere I read this ..."For
there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who
are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to
deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to
find it— "
Making money off "miracles." Nice. Religion is
like any other business. It's so sad that so many wish to make money off
"Faced with mounting accusations circulating online –plagiarism,
misusing church funds to prop book sales, silencing anyone in his church with
the temerity to question him — Driscoll has urged his followers to stay
off the Web. “It’s all shenanigans anyway,” he
explains."Telling his congregation to not read about him or his
church online? Telling them to avoid communications media?Those are
the kind of things a cult leader would say.