The problem with being a megachurch pastor

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  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 11, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    re Mike Richards (Sat Afternoon)...

    All church up to that point were false? So, the answer is to start another?

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Aug. 11, 2014 5:51 a.m.

    @ freedom

    Agreed, but (1) are they problems? and (2) if they are (I'm not sure they are) you have to take the author of this article to task and not the church as a whole as this is not an official church statement nor even close to being one. You might be able to take the direct supervisor of the author to task too.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    There is, perhaps, only one church in all the world, that has a different speaker each week, and that is the Lord's church, which believes in variety and sharing the pulpit. No one person dominates.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 10, 2014 5:58 a.m.


    the words you posed came out of a mans mouth. In any court, that would he heresay and would be disregarded.

    Possibly self serving, don't you think?

    Kind of like a kid telling his sister "mom told me to tell you to clean my room"

  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    All I have to say is that the Holy Ghost can reveal the truth of all things.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2014 5:42 p.m.

    Sad to say even the LDS church has problems with alleged revelations from the internet and that it's finances are secret. I think the criticism is a little disingenuous. I love the LDS church but we first and foremost need to be seekers of truth and fairness so this particular criticism of another church without recognition of our own problems with the same exact issues doesn't strike me as particularly fair or truthful.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 9, 2014 4:37 p.m.


    Why not ask Christ? Don't you think He would know which church was "correct"?

    He answered that question so plainly to Joseph Smith that no one can misunderstand. Joseph Smith said, "I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right, (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the Personage who addressed me said that all their Creeds were an abomination in his sight, that those professors were all corrupt, that “they draw near to me to with their lips but their hearts are far from me, They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof.” He again forbade me to join with any of them and many other thing[s] did he say unto me which I cannot write at this time."

    Now, are you going to argue with Christ or are you going to follow Him as He directed?

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 9, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    "One of the problems with celebrity pastors is that it’s very difficult to draw a line between advancing the gospel and advancing the preacher."

    This has been going on for a long, long time.

    There was a pretty good 1960 movie based on the 1920 novel by Sinclair Lewis, "Elmer Gantry", that comes to mind. It has Burt Lancaster in the role of the mesmerizing and decadent but ultimately "saved" preacher/salesman with a couple of beautiful but compromised women, played by Jean Simmons and Shirley Jones, as two of his "victims". It has all the drama this guy Mark Driscoll has, and more, and all for the price of a DVD rental which, at the library, is just a smidgen of your taxes.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 9, 2014 5:37 a.m.

    "It's a sad day when people don't know the difference between a Church that is built upon Christ's foundation....and a church that is built by someone who has found his "niche" as a preacher to get gain from the gullible."

    I think it is much tougher than you think.

    Tell me Mr Richards.

    Is the Baptist church "built upon Christ's foundation"?
    How about the Catholics, Islam or the Jehovah's Witnesses?

    Certainly some would claim that Joseph Smith "found his "niche"" ... "to get gain from the gullible"

    Yes Mr Richards. It is definitely tougher than you think. It all depends on who you ask

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    Religion today is not more than celebrity showmanship and old time hucksterism.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    The examples in this piece, reflect the genesis of the arms distance many people have with religion.

    Believers will feel these kinds of examples don't reflect their religion.

    Non-believers will feel these kinds of examples are one of the reasons they are un-believers.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 8, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    It's a sad day when people don't know the difference between a Church that is built upon Christ's foundation, having authority from Him to teach His doctrine and perform His ordinances, and a church that is built by someone who has found his "niche" as a preacher to get gain from the gullible.

    There is a simple way to know whether a Church is Christ's authorized Church: we ask Him AFTER we have done what He has asked us to do; after we have learned to pray; after we have learned to tithe; after we have learned to keep ALL of His commandments, not just those that we agree with; after we have studied the literature that He has given us through His prophets, both ancient and modern; after we've tried to walk in His shoes and do His deeds. When we have done our part, when we have "an eye single to His glory", when He knows that we're not just "kicking tires", He will instill in us a testimony. Until we do that, we are like those he cautioned about when He told us not to cast pearls before swine.

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    Reminds me of the mindset I experiences growing up in the church here. Anything contrary to the narrative was considered "anti-mormon literature". Don't pay mind to the man behind the curtain...

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    @Understands Math

    As an interesting comparison when LDS Church leaders have spoken about the internet they've simply said to be careful about what you read and to consider the sources of material. While I believe the LDS Church is just as false as Driscoll's he does seem to be a bit more maniacal and controlling in this case. To tell members to never read anything about him or the church at all is creepy in my opinion.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    Oh the fate of the televangelists (now they're "megapastors"?) Remember the Bakers?

    Somewhere I read this ...

    "For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it— "

  • The Educator South Jordan , UT
    Aug. 8, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Making money off "miracles."


    Religion is like any other business. It's so sad that so many wish to make money off the savior.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    Aug. 8, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    "Faced with mounting accusations circulating online –plagiarism, misusing church funds to prop book sales, silencing anyone in his church with the temerity to question him — Driscoll has urged his followers to stay off the Web. “It’s all shenanigans anyway,” he explains."

    Telling his congregation to not read about him or his church online? Telling them to avoid communications media?

    Those are the kind of things a cult leader would say.