BYU football: Former BYU great Margin Hooks helps lure Akile Davis to Provo

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  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 6, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    Just fyi,

    The information about what the NCAA considers a "booster" comes from directly from NCAA compliance instructions to boosters posted on Notre Dame's official website.

    I'm confident that Notre Dame thoroughly vetted those instructions before posting them.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 6, 2014 2:40 p.m.


    Nope, you need to dig a little deeper in your "research".

    Get back to us when you've figured out who the real competition was.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    So you're telling me that the competition to get this kid was against North Texas, SDSU and Toledo?!


  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    I love how everyone is suddenly an expert on recruiting rules and violations. haha

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 6, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    And to think. TV exposure, and independence is drawing great players. Go Cougs!

    Utah has an Oklahoma reject who is equal to their current quarterback. Doesn't speak well for any bowl games this year.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Anybody who thinks that former players at every school, including Utah, don't regularly talk to recruits is only fooling themselves.

    That's why the NCAA has carefully defined what they consider to be a "booster", to distinguish boosters from alumni and former players.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    timid sparrow,

    as skywalker has pointed out, it really would have helped for you to know what you're talking about before commenting. Now you're looking well, like a ute. Wrong again!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    timid sparrow

    An alumni is not necessarily a booster, which the NCAA defines roughly as an individual, agency, entity or organization who is known by an institution to:

    -Have participated in or been a member of an agency that promotes the institution's intercollegiate athletics program
    -Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or a booster organization for the department
    -Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program
    -Have been a season ticket holder
    -Have provided benefits to student-athletes or their relatives or friends

    In other words, alumni are not prohibited from talking to recruits unless they are considered boosters of an institution's athletics program.

    Simply telling a recruit about your experiences as a non-LDS athlete at BYU would not be an NCAA recruiting violation.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 5, 2014 2:43 p.m.


    No worries! Football just can't get here soon enough!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin
    San Diego, CA

    "Um, you do know that a school asking former players contact recruits is a recruiting violation, right? DN may want to take this article down."

    Um, probably not; there are some criteria that may not have been met. And if all criteria are met the Cougars can self-report (another use for "selfie"?) a minor violation. If this were to occur the NCAA may require Holliday to donate one week's lunch money to Whittingham's retirement party in early December.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    @ Vegas Ute
    I used ESPN so if they have other offers on other websites I was wrong and apologize.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    NC FROGS 2010
    Gilbert, AZ

    "Utah is to the Pac12 as Indiana is to the B1G..."

    Except Indiana (under Lee Corso) played in the Jan. 1, 1968 Rose Bowl, something the Utes will never do.

    Go UCLA!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Welcome aboard Akile; if Margin saw enough potential in you to want you to be a part of BYU's football program, that should be endorsement enough for anybody.

    Nice try christy, but Akile Davis was offered by Indiana and Maryland, but he was also recruited by Kansas, LSU, and Oklahoma St.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:17 p.m.


    "Out of the 9 Utah commits only 2 players have offers from other schools."

    I don't know where you do your research, but there are five recruits with other offers that include Washington State, Oregon State and Colorado, among P5 schools, along with Boise State, Houston, Yale, etc. One has Wisconsin hot on his tail. Of the four that don't have other offers yet, one is a Utah legacy, one is a three star kicker (one of the top rated kickers in the country), one committed to Utah out of high school and has recommitted out of Snow college as a three star 6'7" OL, and one is the ninth highest ranked player in the state of Arizona with 19 other schools looking at him, including byU.

    I hope Davis works out well for you, it sounds like he is a good catch.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    This isn't Nam; this is football.... There are rules.

    C'mon BYU.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    little Robin,

    Unless Hooks meets the definition of a booster(and no, not all former players are automatically boosters) then this is no violation.

    This is another case of a Utah "fan" talking first and thinking later(or not at all)

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 5, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    Utah is to the Pac12 as Indiana is to the B1G...

  • taraxopoios Lake Tapps, WA
    Aug. 5, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Question on recruiting...which I admittedly know little about. In the business world references are a standard part of how things go. I provide a list of references to my prospect. I always check with my references before providing their contact information. Is this not allowed in recruiting? BYU coaches couldn't reach out to a former player asking if they would field a call from a recruit, then give the former player's contact information to the recruit and leave it up to the recruit to call? That would seem to me to be how this all works, and it is just the article that would seem to have left out a couple of the details of how it actually happened.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    Until the full factual background is revealed, all speculation about recruiting violations is on shaky ground at best. Bronco has 10 years of experience as a head coach and obviously knows the rules, plus seems to be smart enough not to allow anything so blatant. We don't know who initiated the call, and I would not expect that a coach giving a recruit the names of former players the recruit might relate well to would violate any rules. I doubt a suggestion that the recruit contact some of the people on the list would violate any rules, either.

  • PGVikingDad Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    I'm a huge BYU fan and former athlete, and Brave Sir Robin is correct: This article sounds an awful lot like a recruiting violation. Margin would only be able to talk with Akile if Akile initiated the contact. It seems unlikely that BYU coaches would know in advance that a recruit with an admittedly waning interest would go to the trouble to contact a former BYU player for advice, and that they would know exactly which player would be contacted. Maybe that's exactly how it went down, but there's no evidence of innocent chronology in the article. A little clarification, Mr. Gurney?

  • oddman ,
    Aug. 5, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    re:flatlander Why do you think newspapers have headlines? To get someone to read the article. The majority of headlines aren't accurate or have much to do with the body of the story. The DNews is no different in this regard than other newspapers. Their existence depends on circulation and circulation depends on luring readers to pick it up and comment. Looks like they succeeded on both counts.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Aug. 5, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    Sounds like a good kid with lots of potential. However, I think he may be in for a cultural shockeroo. Hope it all works out for him.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 10:35 a.m.


    Read the article again. It says "Hooks was contacted by the Cougar coaching staff after Davis flat out told them his concern of not fitting in at BYU as a non-LDS minority athlete. Cougar coaches, in turn, contacted the former BYU great, asking him to share his own experiences in Provo as a minority athlete.

    Hooks delivered."

    Sounds like Hooks contacted the recruit (not the other way around) and did it at the behest of the coaching staff. That's a clear NCAA violation. I'm surprised this article is still posted.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    Where do headlines come from? I briefly remember Hooks playing but believe he never made an NFL team. Not knocking his college play but story was about former player helping recruit someone so does headline try to sensationalize story to get someone to read it?

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    Yup Indiana, a Big 10 School. Kid can flat out fly, hoping he's got good hand and can bulk up a bit. Need's to add about 15 pounds of muscle.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin
    From NCAA
    A booster (Alumni) may receive calls from prospective student-athletes only if the prospect initiates the call and no recruitment takes place during the conversation. Limit only information to the university in general.
    Sounds like Hooks described the university.
    Most recruits call former athletes from that university.
    I know I did to see how people really liked it instead of believing everything the coaches say.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 5, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Um, you do know that a school asking former players contact recruits is a recruiting violation, right? DN may want to take this article down.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Aug. 5, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Good pick-up for the cougars.
    According to the recruiting outlets he also had an offer from Maryland.
    Out of the 9 Utah commits only 2 players have offers from other schools.
    They are: Wyoming, Eastern Washington, Houston, Indiana, and McNeese State. (WOW 1 P5 school this recruit had 2 himself)
    Way to early in the recruiting process to be taking shots at anybodies recruits.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Welcome to the Y Alkie ! We love players that want to commit instead of decommit which is exactly what has become an ongoing problem with the school up north.Just sayin.....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Well, I'll be consistent and say yes I guess power 5 program wanted him. You guys beat out Indiana and Toledo for this recruit!

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Aug. 5, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Ernest, you just make the argument that much easier for us BYU fans. BYU consistently does more with less than nearly any other program in the country. Recruiting (generally) predominantly LDS kids, players who take two years off from missions, and occasionally get that 4 or 5 "star" recruit. And year after year we are playing in bowl games and (besides last year) have done very well in bowl games under the Mendenhall era.

    BYU does more with less on a consistent basis.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    That takes some guts to commit and he has never set foot on the campus.

    I think hw will be pleasantly surprised when he gets here.

    Aug. 4, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Love you Ernest!

    Akile is a two or three star player, depending on which service you look at. But, he seems to be wise for his age and BYU is often able to help players get better than they seem. As long as players not only understand, but look forward to the commitment, I think they will do well.

    Welcome to BYU, Akile, and I hope you have a great time and do well both on and off the field!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 4, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    Yes! Another 5 stars!