Hey I M LDS 2 -"Will missionaries soon be equipped with genetic
tests so they can identify the hard-wired believers?"Nothing in
the article says the hard-wiring is genetic.As far as I know, the
science suggests that the hard-wiring occurs through time. And your software
designs at least some of your hardware.There are those famous
studies on London cab drivers that show how the hypothalmus actually becomes
physically larger as cabbies memorized addresses and directions in London.And then there are the branding tests that show how the Coca Cola icon,
(Coca Cola being the most recognized brand in the world) produces measurable
brain responses when that icon is flashed on for a few seconds.I'm guessing it all goes back to the evolution that allowed our species
to adapt and survive. We recognize good things that help us survive and bad
things that don't, and we become hardwired to survive best in whatever
niche members of our species may be operating in at the moment.
This is just a new modern version of predestination.
We're 'hard wired' to create patterns out of things which we
don't know, can't know, or just don't want to bother knowing.
I think it's an interesting study with parallels to the idea of "the
seed of Abraham" being believers, which also suggests that belief is
@morpunkt"I always wonder why the ancient Nephites were so quick
to forget their God and constantly needed to be reminded about the spiritual
things of this world. Was there a congenital defect with them, to a
point?"Well also it would have been somewhat harder to remember
stuff that you didn't have written down. We know the the Nephites had
writing systems but we don't know how much paper and what kind of luxury it
was.Although greeks were able to remember mass amounts of
information from memory techniques that were developed but I would be a little
surprised if the Nephites would have had knowledge of them.When
paper was became more common and cheap it's purpose was somewhat of a tool
to refresh your memory.Today we are moving away from paper to dump
our thoughts to computers to dump our thoughts. I think we are using our brains
less and less and instead of having any type of memory in our own brains we are
having the computers do it all for us.
What an interesting study.
RE: IMLDS 2. The Westminster Confession of Faith: As God hath appointed the
elect unto glory, so hath He, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will,
foreordained all the means thereunto. Wherefore, they who are elected . . . are
effectually called unto faith in Christ by His Spirit working in due season, are
justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by His power, through faith, unto
salvation. Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called,
justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.The
rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His
own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy, as He pleaseth, for the
glory of His Sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them
to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice. The 5 greatest Christian theologians would agree: Augustine, Aquinas,
Luther, Calvin Edwards.
"....Newberg said the dollar sign elicited the most positive reactions of
any symbol, spiritual or secular...."______________________________Psychology calls that a Pavlovian response. Pseudo-science calls it
I agree with @Bofus and @OHBU. I don't buy it either. The red flag for me
was the discussion about the dollar symbol. What would the results look like
for those raised in countries that use currency other than the dollar? Are we
hard-wired to worship the almighty dollar?
I don't buy this either. To really determine this you would have to test
this on individuals who have never been exposed to religion at any times in
their life and see what the response is. I think it has more to do
with what Craig Clark is saying. If you are born into a religious environment
then you are more likely to be so. Likewise in a non-religious environment. No one is born with religion. That has to be learned.
So many assumptions based on so few observations, it's really hard to take
this seriously. The idea that one's subconscious response to a symbol is
hard-wired rather than environmentally derived seems to be the major fault in
this study. Non-religious people have a negative response--emotionally and
intellectually--to religious symbols, and religious people have a positive
response. First of all, this is in no way surprising at all. Second, this does
not mean that those who believe do so because their brain is hard-wired to
believe. I would contend negative experiences with religion create negative
feelings. Those negative feelings permeate both the conscious and subconscious.
Another major flaw is that the researcher seems to confuse the
difference between a symbol of belief and belief itself.
I always wonder why the ancient Nephites were so quick to forget their God and
constantly needed to be reminded about the spiritual things of this world. Was
there a congenital defect with them, to a point?
Will missionaries soon be equipped with genetic tests so they can identify the
My instincts tell me that culture and upbringing has more than a little to do
"suggests people may be hard-wired to choose faith or unbelief"Nope, I believe in the religion of my parents because it's the true
religion. The other 34,000 are false.