@JCS"This quote sums up the Williams situation perfectly. "No, it really doesn't, and it certainly doesn't sum up 6
completely different situations perfectly either.
Down under:"Anyone wonder if Travis Wilson will receive a one
game suspension for a similar infraction?"While TW did have a
somewhat similar infraction, it is clear from the article that it was not
Jamaal's underage drinking (that everyone knows bout) alone, but that and
subsequent events that got him suspended the one game. You are mixing apples
and oranges.I am glad to see Jamaal addressing the issue head on and
taking responsibility, unlike the kid from Arizona who walked away from the team
rather than accept the consequences of his actions. He seems like a stand up
kid and I hope he does well for your team. Let's let these
kids live their lives now.Can't the season start already?!?
Fball fanatic,Where is your evidence Williams had multiple run ins
with the police and where is the evidence of multiple Word of Wisdom
infractions? You wouldn't make things up would you?
Good for William's for owning up and receiving a one game suspension with
grace. Anyone wonder if Travis Wilson will receive a one game suspension for a
similar infraction? I didn't think so either!! Laughable how
two different schools established buy the same person can have such different
values so many years later.This will be a special year for the Cougs and
they are LOADED with running back talent
Duckhunter,Where's your proof the Whitt's response was
frantic and emotional? It seems like you want proof from others, but you
don't follow the same standard yourself.Hearing Bronco state
that Harvey made the decision to switch to defense, validates what was reported
on Ute Zone. Ute Zone reported that prior to making his decision to switch to
BYU, Harvey had contacted Ute coaches and asked to be moved to defense. So
anyone trying to claim that prompted his decision to switch schools hasn't
done their homework.
Let me see if I understand this. Jon Ryheem Peoples recently had his
scholarship pulled due to "not meeting the goals" that Coach Bronco has
set forth (SLT Article). Those goals included his weight, BMI and GPA in which
Peoples claims he "just fell short" in each category. However, Jamal
Williams has two separate run ins with the police this year and now multiple
infractions pertaining to the Word of Wisdom and only faces a one game
suspension? How does that make sense? Do we practice the consistency and
discipline that we so freely preach? Or does it just pay dividends to be a
starter and a pre-season award winning candidate? I am sensing a Get Out of
Jail Free card being issued here (again).
Wow, this is the first article I think I have read all year that actually talks
football. I can't wait for the season to start! I want to believe all the
preseason hype, but previous years have disappointed me. That being said, I do
not see how BYU's offence can not improve. Go Cougars!
@ DuckhunterWe know his new mission president is a BYU booster who
has a son that plays on the team; which isn't suspicious at all *wink*
@Big SamoanYeah I don't think UConn is a gimme either. But I do
think BYU will have a really good defense this year, one that will shut down
UConn. If BYU can run the football with a lead, if that's how it works out
early, then yeah I wouldn't show Texas too much of what I think BYU will
throw their way the following week. I know some BYU fans want Anae to open up
the playbook more, and I think he will this year in Taysom Hill's second
year as a starter and evolving passer, but running the ball is great if you are
effective at it, especially if you have a solid defense. Plus you take away Hill
throwing too often and making mistakes.
@John Charity SpringYou don't see Williams as as special
talent? I like the kids game. He has big play potential and is a smaller back
that is durable.
gdog, if UConn were in the same situation as the last three years since their
Fiesta Bowl year, I'd agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. But
I'd say they are an unknown at this point now with a head coaching (and
nearly entire coaching staff) overhaul. While the players are not, the staff is
actually pretty familiar with BYU, as the HC spent the last four years at Notre
Dame, the last two as DC and went 2-0 against the Cougars, with 3 of his
assistant coaches also beating BYU last year at Notre Dame and UVA. The team
will definitely improve with this staff, but whether it will be right from the
first game is in question. But I certainly hope they will be.
Let him play. Anywhere else there would not be a suspension. Jim McMahon would
have never played.
What troubles me is the year after year, player after player who make the same
mistake, and more than once even after getting caught. If they lose the first
game, all they can say is, I'm sorry. I'm glad he's sorry, but
it's just tough to hear these kids tell the same old sorry story and not
learn from the mistakes of others. Good luck Cougars and best wishes to Jamaal.
I've lowered my expectations again another notch.
Quote interesting that Harvey is going to play linebacker despite utah
"fans" telling us he was doing it to play RB because he couldn't
make it as a RB at utah. Then of course there was whittingham's
"frantic and emotional" response when he was informed Harvey was leaving
the sinking ship that he "wouldn't release him" because he is
"a ute".There appear to be lots of things that utah
"fans" claim to "know" that they obviously don't know at
all. I wonder what they will "know" next. Chase Hansen is
less than a year away from returning from his mission, I wonder what utah
"fans" "know" about his situation?
@ KenWell said Ken. Well said.
Runnerguy50, No a regular student wouldn't be kicked out of BYU for
drinking unless the student repeats multiple time. When I was at BYU I knew few
students who didn't get kicked out for drinking.
Welcome to Provo Harvey!!!!runnerguy50 - my roommate had the same
issue at BYU (underage alcohol arrest) - other than a few meetings with the
honor code he had no consequences - accordingly Jamal's punishment is a
worse punishment than my roommates.'
runnerguy-- No, not for this sort of thing. Despite what others may try to tell
you, BYU tries quite hard to work with student before they get kicked out.
There would be a probation sort of thing first. Good question, though.
Just my opinion but I thought I'd express it anyway. Words mean things and
too often in a case like this, the word mistake is used in an attempt to soften
the reality of the situation and side steps accountability. I prefer to use the
word choice because it infers, right from the start some element of
accountability for an action. A mistake to me is driving past an
exit because I was listening intently to the Cougar call in show or forgetting
to carry a number in a simple math problem or scorching the oatmeal by
forgetting to turn the heat downA choice is drinking alcohol when
knowing it violates the honor code or running a red light after you signed and
received your driver license.
@ runnerguy50I will say NO, not necessarily. BYU is a wholly owned
and operated institution of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints and
each member, even at BYU has a bishop who the member student is accountable to.
The member student and his/her bishop work together to resolve problems. Most
often it is handled very quietly and personally and depending on the problem,
students remorse or attitude in wanting to make things right, many things never
make it to the Honor Code office and if they do, I suspect the bishop has much
to do with the decision of the Honor Code office. In the case of
non LDS student athletes, I'm not sure how the ecclesiastical thing works
but in either case I would still answer your question no,not necessarily.
@runnerguy50Nope, I know from experience.
@gdog3finallyWest Jordan, Utah"...BYU should handle UConn
regardless...Uconn is awful...I wouldn't show my offensive playbook against
UConn as BYU could just toss them around."C'mon dude,
it's precisely this kind of cockiness that makes me grimaced with pain when
we end up getting embarrassed! Have you quickly forgotten the debacle at
Virginia last year? There is so much parity in college football today that we
should never underestimate anyone. As for Mr. Williams'
suspension, I'm sad to hear about it but glad he's handling it well.
Hope it's going to be a special season!Go Cougars!
The answer to RunnerGuy's question is simple: no.
Even as a Utah fan, I admit I appreciate how Bronco is one of the few coaches
who backs up his talk in terms of holdings kids to a high standard.Frankly, I wish all coaches were more like Bronco in this. The fact that
other schools don't have an honor code has nothing to do with it - all
program should demand a high standard for those who represent their schools and
their communities.As a fan of the university of Utah, those kids not
only represent my school, but also my state and also to a large extent the LDS
church as well. I travel a lot for work and nearly every time I mention
I'm from Utah, I'm eventually asked whether I'm Mormon or not.
Point is, people outside of Utah associate Utah with Mormons, so in a very real
sense what happens at the University of Utah will be construed(either positively
or negatively by many in the country to being from Mormons.Every
coach in the nation would say underage drinking is serious if they were
asked.Very few back up their talkHat is off to Bronco
for backing it up.
I wold like to inform Mr Old But Not that I have been carefully watching, in
person. There are at least three running backs who are as good, if not better
than Williams. The stats are deceiving because Williams gets 90% of the carries.
If any of the others got that volume of carries, they would have just as many
yards. For instance, Honestly had more yards on fewer carries in the Idaho
State game By the way, Lincoln was not talking about anarchy. He
was talking about the general citizenry run amok.
Jamaal is already a star and shows it in more ways than on the field. Go
I like the way this was handled. BYU was ready to say "one game suspension
for breaking team rules," and Jamaal came out on his own to spill the beans,
essentially sparing Bronco a bunch of annoying questions. Jamaal is making it
clear to the public that he is owning it. My respect for him just went up a
Would a regular student have been kicked out of BYU for the same infraction ?
"Williams will be back @ Texas and that might work in BYU's favor. I
wouldn't show my offensive playbook against UConn as BYU could just toss
them around. Texas will be looking to focus on Hill after BYU gave them the beat
down last year. Williams could run wild. But beware, BYU has a history under
Bronco of starting off the season slow."I was thinking the same
thing. He will be ready to Run all over the Texans.
Too bad about Williams. Punishment is fair in my eyes. Hopefully he learns from
the mistake and moves on, focuses on football and gets a chance at the NFL.As for Langi, that's a real shame. Real shame. With 2 projected
starters out at LB, he had a real chance to make a difference in the U's
defense. Utah fans can be bitter and say we don't need him, but I hate to
let a player go after only 1 season, TF at that. I hope he succeeds. He could
have been playing against the best of the best, and now he will be playing
Bit of a stretch putting Jamaal in the same category as the anarchists Mr.
Lincoln was talking about. He is just a kid learning the lessons of life. He
is blessed to have role models like his mother, his coaches and team mates to
help him learn those lessons.
John Charity SpringBack Home in Davis County, UTI agree that
he should have known that because of his celebrity any mis-step will be noted
and duly reported. It was special that he self-reported his suspension to the
press.Furthermore,yes "The team will be perfectly fine,...."
But the clause "... with running backs who are just as good as Williams
getting a chance to shine." makes me wonder if you've been watching
these young men.
That took guts. We will look forward to that Texas game and Williams return.And buried in the explosive headline we now know that Harvey Langi is a
Cougar. Well, well, well... isn't it interesting how things come about.
Three + weeks of absolute silence on the subject and here's Harvey at
practice on Friday.Hmmm, he's not having to sit for a year?
Obviously Vai had a few things correct in his story. "As far as
I'm concerned, he's a Ute," he told me. "I'm not
releasing him."Sorry Whit and Ute fans... as I said, in the
absence of an LOI and two years later, he's fair game. No loophole here.
Bummer. Good player and I hoped to see him play live this year in Hartford.
However, a little relieved the Huskies have one less problem to worry about in
their uphill battle to restore the football program.Good luck,
Cougs. Go Huskies and Go Utes!
Moving on, Jamaal Williams seems to me from the outside looking in to be a good
fit in Provo, and not just on the field either. He looks like he fits in down
south in Provo to me and brings diversity to the school. So this is unfortunate
for him a little, but the one game suspension will pass and BYU should handle
UConn regardless. The team has to be more than Jamaal Williams if they are going
to run the table this year. Uconn is awful. Williams will be back @
Texas and that might work in BYU's favor. I wouldn't show my offensive
playbook against UConn as BYU could just toss them around. Texas will be looking
to focus on Hill after BYU gave them the beat down last year. Williams could run
wild. But beware, BYU has a history under Bronco of starting off the season
slow. Utah beat BYU with Jon White IV missing the rivalry game his
senior year and Jon Hayes starting at QB. Thus BYU should handle the lowly
Huskies. I took my shot and made myself a target. Are there any duck hunters
nearby? I better take cover.
A universities self interests are always the focus for criticism in dealing with
players in trouble. BYU has often escaped this criticism when in the past
profile players HAVE paid an obvious cost for a mistake or sin despite the
obvious on field loss to the team because of BYU's suspended player.
Although to me, there have also been some curious decisions over the last 35
years but I won't venture there. What we do see in college
sports as a whole though, is universities often going light on penalty in favor
of their subjective interests. How often do we hear that "the university is
handling things internally" comment? For BYU this makes sense. The honor
code is an internal thing. But then again, BYU does turn things over to law
enforcement when laws are broken outside of moral type honer code situations
that aren't an illegal type matter. But for other schools that deal with
laws being broken by turning away from that societal call for action/penalty and
in opposition just say "we are handling it internally" is like telling
the bank robbers accusers that Mom will handle Billy at home instead.
I said it the other day, these things are going to happen with people (young and
old). One could and will compare or give their opinion on what BYU does in
comparison to other universities when dealing with these situations. But casting
stones at a player or making a judgment there is something I don't condone.
We all know BYU has the honor code and things work different at BYU.
I am okay with that. What gets my attention is the honor code office and how
similar situations vary in penalty. It's not an issue to me how BYU once
handled these things and how they do now because I can get over the changes in
time with the turnover of university presidents, new head coaches, and new
attitudes towards problems in time and place. But although there are individual
spiritual considerations, it's hard to look at the vast differences in so
called punishment from student to student and player to player and put great
stock into the honor code decision makers. Bronco seems to have changed a little
(more lenient), or his voice has more weight in communication with the honor
I love Williams... I love his openness, and I love his candor (not to mention
the unbelievable talent that this guy has on the field... In 2 years he will be
playing on Sunday, mark it down)... Most of all however, I love how objective he
his... They say that the measure of the worth of a man is not the
fact that he has been knocked down, but if and how he picks himself up and
continues on... This guy is a leader, I see it in everything he says and in how
his fellow players react to him... I hate the fact that he
won't be playing in that first game, I wish it wasn't the case almost
as much as I am sure he wishes... But I can tell this is going to be a very
special season for Williams... He has skill and he has class, a wicked
combination, and because of that I am certain that I will be following the
Football news on him long after he leaves Cougarville.
Some will say that the suspension of Williams is unjustified. But as Abraham
Lincoln famously stated, "Whenever the vicious portion of the population
shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn
churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing presses into rivers,
shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with
impunity; depend on it, this government cannot last." This
quote sums up the Williams situation perfectly. BYU cannot allow flagrant honor
code violations to go unpunished. The team will be perfectly fine, with running
backs who are just as good as Williams getting a chance to shine.
We all make mistakes and have to pay the price of those mistakes either now or
later. Jamaal seems to have a great attitude and hopefully he can keep his
promise that it will never happen again. Good luck to him!Go Cougars
Gunther from 1320kfan said that jamal williams is one of the best athletes on
the planet, Gunther has now found his way to the unlistenable category of sports
radio along with David james and David Locke.
BYU is always a class act in handling these situations. They care more about the
development of these young men as future husbands, fathers, and leaders in the
community one day after football is all over than anything else. I am sure
Williams will mature and grow through this experience. This had to be a really
tough call by Bronco!Go Cougars!