Pro-Palestinian crowd rallies in Salt Lake City as Gaza cease-fire begins

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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    From their own mouths -- just a couple I found, there are more):

    The removal of the Arab inhabitants ... was voluntary and was carried out at our request ... The Arab delegation proudly asked for the evacuation of the Arabs and their removal to the neighboring Arab countries.... We are very glad to state that the Arabs guarded their honour and traditions with pride and greatness.[/I]
    -- Arab National Committee of Haifa, in a memorandum to the Arab States. Cited by J.B. Schechtman, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York: Philosophical Library, 1952), pp. 8-9; also see Al-Zaman, Baghdad journal, April 27, 1950

    Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes.
    -- Khalid abn-Azm, Prime Minister of Syria in his 1972 memoirs

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Goddess divine- Do you know anything about the current situation at all? Hamas is actually a ruling political party with a military wing. Your attempt to separate them from the government is faulty as they are the government. Even if they were not, if the government was not willing to stop them, why should Israel be left an open target.

    Bob- the Palestinians today are not really the same as those that were there before Islam. Most of these Palestinians are Muslims, and a faction of them believe the ideology that all non-Muslims must do one of the following: Convert to Islam, leave, pay taxes to them, or be killed. This is what ISIS is doing in Iraq. None of those options is acceptable to the Israelis, and we should not expect them to acquiesce to those demands. Preferably Hamas supports the convert or die more than anything else.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    Gaza was not occupied prior to the 6 day war when arab nations attempted to destroy Israel. The West Bank, Sinai, and Golan Heights were taken to provide defensive positions. Sinai was traded back for peace, the Gaza was returned to Palestinians in an attempt at gaining peace, The UN tried to create a Palestinian state but was turned down and the 1948 conflict took place. Palestinians removed themselves from Israel because they thought the Arabs could wipe them out. Arabs treat Palestinians as sub class citizens in Jordan, Syria, Lebenon, and Egypt. Why is that?

  • ericw slc, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    make Palestine a country,stop giving Palestine's aid money to Isreal so they can be self sufficient. build a wall between the 2 countries, share Jerusalem and stop the blockades and allow the palistian to fish in there own ocean without running into the warships. and quit running over young Utah girls with bulldozers that are protesting[this was a while back] and the rockets will stop because they have no reason to fire them. truth is both countries will always hate each other but, at least they can live side by side without fear

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    nice excuse for keeping your land and not paying a land lease to the natives

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    @Bob Bohey-
    Unfortunately, the Philistinis' (Arabic for Palestinian) patriarch had two sons and gave explicit birthrights (land) to each. Ishmael's legacy was great, it just didn't include the tiny parcel they currently claim. (Genesis 16-17). Abraham pre-dates his grandson, Jacob/Israel, and the Creator of the Land gave the covenant to Abraham's second son, Issac. It's in print, made by blood covenant; irrevocable- Genesis 15.

    Any other narrative is fiction.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    1- Israel IS targeting the terrorist source of the rocket fire:
    The UN has verified the human shields, hence the death toll- by Pal-Arab choice not to evacuate. Even the liar, Hanan Ashawri, said Monday- "Why should they be told when to leave their own homes?" Duh...

    2- Leaflets carpet targeted areas before Every bombing. IDF soldiers plead with the civilians, who turn deaf ears and face death with confounded beligerance. Christian Arabs plead with the people, who taunt them as traitors and threaten their families. (Even in Bethlehem, far from Gaza City.)

    3- My Syrian mother-in-law, 91, still cannot get over her anti-semitism, even after 80 cushy U.S. years. Inbred hatred remains irrational. And of course, every conflict/offense is the cause of "those Yehuds".

    4- Your historical narrative from Biblical times to present is inaccurate. The land was purchased legally; Palestinian thugs killed many Arab landlords who sold even swampland to Jews. They continue to publically execute any who seek compromise. Read a paper sometime.

    5- The Ancient Document prophetically explains the hatred: Ishmael will always remain "wild" and in conflict, Genesis 16:12.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 1, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    @lost in DC: Unfortunately it appears that neither situations can be undone. That being the case does not alter the facts of either situation and IMVHO those that refuse acknowledge these facts are the ones whose words and actions ring hollow.

    @Kora: The Palestinians were nomadic tribes that lived in that region long before Judaism or Islam existed.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Bob Bohey,

    To attribute the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict solely to the allegedly illigitimate creation and recognition of the state of Israel in the late 1940s is both one-sided and historically myopic. What about the arbitrary (and arguably illigitimate) creation of the various arabic states, primarily by England and France, following WWI? The national identity of these states that exists today was nonexistant prior to that -- they were largely independent nomadic bedouin tribes that Prince Faisal tried to unite through conquest, and that a handful of Europeans capriciously grouped together into more or less what we have today.

    Also, the Jewish occupation of Palestine/Canaan didn't just happen overnight sometime in 1948; the return of the Jews to Palestine/Canaan began about a hundred years before that, albeit gradually at first, when the land was largely unoccupied, except for a few of the aforementioned nomadic bedouin tribes.

    And really, the conflict pre-dates Mohammed and Islam, and goes back to Ishmael and Isaac.

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Aug. 1, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    lets make the protesters happy. After all that is what they are protesting for, they want their way. Send them to their home land and let them help the cause they are protesting for, Enough with the political correctness.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    @ Goddess Divine, I respectfully disagree, your theory that terrorism is caused by poverty has been disproved repeatedly. Most of the terrorist fighters and suicide bombers when you examine their backgrounds come from largely wealthy or middle class faamilies and most have college degrees and higher education. If they are tired that the olive trees are burning then they shouldn't be shooting rockets at kindergarten schools of their neighbors. Palestinian reality my foot. It is well documented evenfrom leftist media outlets such as the NEW YORK TIMES that in 1947 the Palestinians were offered a seperate state they rejected it and they still reject it if part of the peace proposal includes the recognition of Israel. And the UN is an accomplice especially as their member states in europe pay terrorist protection money to be left alone (hello Barbary pirates) and look the other way as their facilities are hi-jacked for arms storage and safe houses. Looking the other way and ignoring the problem wasn't an excuse for the Germans in 1938-1945 and the UN doing it now is the equivalant.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    These protesters are either very uninformed or are radical extremists who support destroying anything Jewish. The Arabic peoples in Israel are lucky to have the Jews there. If the Jews hadn't returned to their ancestral homeland and made it very nice, the country would look like neighboring Syria, which is a barren wasteland. If the Palestinians would get with the program and participate in the development of Israel, they could also become successful like the Jews have. Their bitter family feud, which dates back several millennia, will ultimately destroy them. Why they can't realize that is beyond me.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    I have repeated this many times: the Palestinians shared the land with the Israelis since biblical times. Some people keep insisting that the Israelis were there first. The Palestinians are the philistines that se know of. Samson was seduced by Delilah who was a philistine. Also, Israel was not a state until its creation in 1948 (for those claiming that Palestine was not a state). And when Israel was created as a state, 70% of the population in that area were Arabs. They were the majority and that is the reason they did not agree with the partition of the land. Most Israelis came from overseas as settlers when the Palestinians were already there. It is similar to waht happened in America, the majority of the population were native Americans and the settlers came from Europe and took their land. Although it is not exactly the same. Many people make this comparison because US governent has helped Israel to invade Palestine, same as they did in the past here with the native Americans. This is the image our government is giving to the world.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    For the people saying that UN schools fosters violence and that they are accomplices, let me tell you what fosters violence. When people live in poverty and have no prospects of future, when they can get no education, when they can't travel or leave their country, when they can't go to work because they are surrounded by soldiers, when their houses are demolished and taken by others, when their olive trees and livelihood is burned to the ground, when their children in the streets are shot by soldiers because they were throwing stones, when everything they love is dead and they have no reason to live for anymore, then is at that point when people become violent and when they don't care if they live or die. That is when some people make the terrible choice of becoming terrorist, being violent or even blowing themselves up. This is the Palestinian reality. It is not right for them or for us. It has to stop.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    Someone made a comment saying that if Mexico bombs Texas then Texas should do the same. Are we becoming a little bit extremist here? Please, listen to your own words and think rationally. If a few US terrorist will bomb Argentina, then should Argentina destroy the whole country and bomb the US? Does it look different when we turn the example the other way around? Keep in mind that when countries are destroyed like this, children and women are the main victims.

    There is terrorism in almost every country in the world, guerrillas, mafias, gangs, etc. what civilized countries do is work with each other to fight terrorism, not bomb the whole country. If the other country is not the position to help or doesn't want to help for some reason, you can still target the terrorist without destroying the whole country. If all the countries will bomb each other because of terrorist attacks, we would be all in a state of war already for many years, including the US. I suggest you and I start reading more about terrorist organizations in other countries and how some solved their problems and other didn't.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    How come to leftists and pro-palestinians the UN's decrees are viewed as practically gospel, Israel their own creation being the exception? If this isn't the greatest argument for independence, sovereignty, and opposition to UN and all its worthless policies I don't know what is.
    Israel was created to avoid genocide and give people who have been made a political scapegoat for every regimes failures a military to defend themselves against people who still believe the garbage and lies of the protocols of the elders of Zion.

    There is NO Palestinian state nor has there ever been!!! The last country that had claim to the region was the OTTOMAN empire which fell apart after WWI for supporting the Kaiser. There have been Jewish Muslim and Christian settlements there for hundreds of years and since the mid-19th century it has been under British protectorate up till 1947.

    The Palestinian refugees were largely by choice as the invading Arab armies promised them the spoils of genocide just didn't expect Israel to win.

    UN schools are military targets when they are harboring terrorists and arms. That’s not a civilian that’s an accomplice.

  • Goddess Divine Orem, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    It is not the first time Israel bombs Palestinians home. This has happened several times before but US news barely covers this. In other occasions it has happened and Israel doesn't always warns Palestinians about these attacks. Also, in most of these bombings, children and women are the ones that die, not Hamas.

    People need to looks for different sources of information: newspapers, Internet, tv, etc. it is helpful to read foreign newspapers as well since they are more- accurate when they report the news than US newspapers. There is a lot of information on line including videos of bombings and pictures of the injured and dead Palestinians. If you want to know the truth, you can find it, but you have to be strong because it is not pretty. Many people get disappointed when they discover the chosen people are not that chosen anymore. Lets's remember that many are called but few are chosen. Killing children doesn't come from Christ.

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Bob Bohey- who forced the Jewish people out of present day Israel long before they returned? If you look at history, the Jewish people were in that land long before Islam ever existed. Muslims then forced them out. The truth is Hamas does not want peace. It is that simple. The terrorist groups in the region will not be satisfied until Israel does not exist. A Palestinian state is only acceptable to them in the absence of the Jewish people.
    Look at what is happening in Iraq. Christians are being forced out by Islamic Terrorists, ISIS. Where are the protests against this and for the US to stop it?

  • A_Chinese_American Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    "Palestinians store missiles in UN schools and publicly say their goal is to destroy Israel". Therefore, Palestinians is bearing the consequence of their actions.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    The Palestinians should demand Hamas stop painting targets on Palestinians’ backs.

    Blue Collar,
    Not with BO in charge. He would apologize, then ask what we did, then apologize again, then campaign, then say it was Boehner’s fault.

    Bob A. Bohey
    What are you suggesting, we ship all the Israelis out? Where are you going to send them, who are YOU going to displace? No, it has been too many generations since the formation of Israel to blame this on the Europeans and the US. Hamas teaches continual hatred and will not stop until Israel no longer exists, which will not happen.

    It was a shame? Are YOU giving your land and home back to the indigenous peoples? Unless you are, or are paying them land rents, your comment is rather hollow.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    Here's an idea. Instead of blaming all of your problems on Israel. Maybe crack down on your terrorists organizations.

    It's hard to be the victim, when you support an organization that murders children, women and men.

    I also see the flip side. How do you forgive Israel that launches attacks in your land?

    There had been relative peace and quiet, until Hamas murdered the teens. That's when Israel retaliated and is working to protect and defend herself. If the Palestinian people would remove the terrorists organization out of it's city and actually show they want peace. I think Israel wouldn't have an issue to step back and allow peace to happen.

    But, until one side steps back and the other side does the same. Nothing is going to change. No matter how many speeches baroke gives or Kerry or Pelosi or the Clinton love machine.

    Why not unify both nations and allow everyone to move freely? Because there is too much hate. Evil people in power....

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    What did Utah do to warent this protest? Seems there is never any logic or reasoning with these people, they all want to live in the Stone Age, except for the rockets.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    For too many people, it's the idea of "they're the underdog, so we should support them." Would they be as supportive if it were Cuba protesting our 50-year embargo by lobbing thousands of missiles into Miami? What response would they think appropriate then? Hamas has taken millions of dollars of aid money intended to help the people better their lives and used it both to enrich their leaders, who have mansions abroad now, and to construct tunnels designed solely to enable attacks on Israeli civilians and their kidnapping. Gazans have no interest in building a functioning country. This is evidenced not only by their ongoing focus on destroying Israel, but by their looting and destroying over 5000 state-of-the-art commercial greenhouses that Israel left for them when pulling out of Gaza years ago. They could have been feeding most of their own people by now if they wanted to. Instead, they're focused on raising children to be terrorists and cannon fodder.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    I saw this small group and marvel at their perspective. The Palestinians can have a sovereign nation and peace, but they don't want it. Rather, they shoot missiles randomly into Israel. And use women and children as shields plus they store missiles in UN schools and publicly say their goal is to destroy Israel!

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    There is no question that violence in Israel and Palestine today is the direct result of illegitimately creating the state of Israel after WWII. All nations that refused to really help Jewish holocaust refuges and had a hand in the creation of Israel bear the responsibility of all of the violence that has ensued in the years since. That is the hard and cold truth of this matter that NO ONE wishes to discuss. It is shameful and on par with what the European settlers/imperialists did to the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Shame on Israel? Shame on Hamas and the Palestinian people for voting to give them power. Hamas is simply a terrorist organization. If Hamas weren't digging tunnels and shooting rockets into Israel, Israel would leave Gaza alone.

    Of course these bad feelings between these people go back to the time of the Exodus so it's a little hard to give up a 4000 year old grudge.

    The Palestinians have made their bed, Israel is making them sleep in it.

    The protesters are being a bit myopic, of course the news media follows right along and Israel gets the brunt of the criticism.

  • Free Market Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    I am curious as to the point of view of the pro-palestinian group on how they think this all got started and what they think would be an appropriate response.

  • Blue Collar Huntington, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:43 a.m.

    I wonder what we would do if Mexico launched thousands of rockets into Texas?? I think we would destroy them. What would we do if they used tunnels to send murders into our country to kill Americans? We would destroy them. Hamas wants to kill every Jew, they are terrorists and the ones protesting against Israel are the same people who support Terrorist and hate freedom. Shame on them.

  • md Cache, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    In the picture, there is a man with the poster saying, "Stop the bombing".
    I am sure he is referring to the thousands of rockets fired by the terrorist muslim group, Hamas, right?

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    Simple solution. Stop firing rockets. Disavow the destruction of Israel. Come to the table and get what you want. Easy.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    It is a tragedy for innocent souls to die. It is also a tragedy for ignorance, dishonesty and hatred to blind citizens as to who is responsible for Palestinian deaths.

    Hamas has no love for its own people, Israeli children, or the rule of law. They began the conflict by murdering three innocent teenagers. They perpetuate hatred in all their charters and literature. They use most of their funds to build tunnels and arsenals. Every time Israel cedes land they are rewarded with more mortars and increased hatred. But Hamas is honest about their intentions that Israel should be defeated and obliterated. The world hears them loud and clear; now Israel will rid their land of the non-negotiable warriors.

    It's just a tragedy that Palestinians can't think on their own or see through their own prejudice. Public protests in our country aren't fooling anyone. They only prove that the false moniker of apartheid is nonsense.

    How many will die before they decide to seek peace? There are plenty of other Muslim countries in the region: Try protesting there.

    God is weeping over this unnecessary carnage. 93% of Israelis support this military.

  • financenco Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    This is why terrorists are spreading. People form their own religion continue with the false beleife of Israeli occupation. Those who are Muslim in Israeli controlled areas, hope they never lose control. That is privately. On camera, they have to chear on the other guys, or get killed. I have a test idea. Lets say a bunch of Mormons, in Utah, decided to kill all Palestinians, it is in their teaching philosophy. They teach their kids to hate all Palesinians, and will reward their kids if they kill a Palestinian. In fact, we would shoot from behind women and children. We would launch missiles from hospitals and schools. We would co-oped law enforcement agencies to look the other way. We woudl use tunnels that go from temples to do it. Would you suppport the idea that if that was the case, that those Palestinians had a right to defend themselves? If you said yes, you would be correct. That is what is happening to Israel. It is Hamas, and other terrorist nations, who call for the elimination of their lives. A cease fire really does nothing. It gives terrorists a chance to relocate to another place and shoot again.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 6:27 a.m.

    One, I hope these people appreciate the fact that they could do this protest here in America, or in Israel. However, if they tried an anti-government protest in any Muslim country they would likely be arrested and or killed.

    Two, The notion that only Israel is getting weapons is absurd. These rockets, of which they seem to have an endless supply, are coming from somewhere, likely Iran. And the tunnels are also likely the method of getting them into Gaza.

    Three, I side with Israel. 100%.

  • darthdan West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 4:37 a.m.

    People forget that not only are Hamas forbidding people from leaving their homes when Israel warns of an impending attack, but intentionally stages their weapons and men near women and children. Untold numbers of children reportedly died digging these "terror tunnels" under duress. The only way Israel is going to root Hamas out and neutralize its threat is to do what they are doing. If we support Palestine in the way these protesters suggest, we'll be making a very dangerous enemy out of Israel. They will stop at nothing to protect their homes from the Hamas terrorist and those who support them.

  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    How about Palestinian’s get rid of Hamas, stop launching bombs/rockets into Israel, demolish the terror tunnels that have been built between Gaza and Israel, and act like they really want peace. Using women and children as shields to your bombs and other military hardware is weak and cowardly. Israel has shown much more restraint than any other country with the fire power they have.