Excellent ideas from the intellectually challenged neo-con right. Yes, it's
Obama's fault. Blah-Blah-Blah! More Faux News rhetoric and a.m. radio
talking points. Let's close the borders and build fences so we can all live
like East/West Berlin! Or...We could legalize it all. That's correct.
Legalize it all! Where are all the "freedom fighters" that continually
post regarding individual rights? Let's hear it.......
My dear liberal friends: Anybody want to argue as to why 'street'
drugs should be legal?Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?....
"Just like with alcohol, legalize it and the gangs will disappear."Is that what happened with the Cosa Nostra, or did they diversify? Still
some ol' time mob bosses around back East, aren't there? Legitimizing
one aspect of an illegal business doesn't make the whole thing right--and
Closing the borders will not work. The market is too lucrative and the cartels
will find a way in. This has been a problem long before illegal immigration was
a problem. We need to target addiction issues - the demand side of the
equation. As for legalization, there is credible evidence that the cartels
moved into Colorado after marijuana was legalized and the black market there is
better than ever with exports to surrounding states like Utah up considerably
and virtually no enforcement since you can't tell legal pot from illegal
pot. Opioids are "legal" drugs but yet kill more people in this country
than heroin. Utahans and Americans have a love affair with drugs - I guess we
are so pampered that when faced with adversity we can't face it without
some chemical courage. As long as people are willing to do anything for drugs
and to get money for drugs, the illegal drug trafficking trade will flourish.
Illegal immigration does cause part of the problem. But, the consumers of
illegal drugs are the biggest part of the problem. They are your neighbors. Go
to your ward. Teach in your schools. Run business. Work for the government.
Participate in the community. Coach your kids sports teams. Teach piano
lessons. These are the people that give the cartels money to operate through
their behavior.Years ago, I herniated a disc in my back. I was
given opiate based pain killers. After a couple of weeks, I found that I was
taking pills more frequently than I needed to. I realized that I was becoming
dependent on these drugs. I quit taking them cold turkey and actually went
through withdrawals. Now I rarely take anything stronger than ibuprofen. I
shudder to think what my live would be like now if I had kept taking those
I think Salt Lake City's police chief is wrong to refuse to allow his
officers to check on the legal status of persons accused or suspected of
committing any kind of crime. Such scrutiny can be a definite deterrent to
those deciding to come here mainly to prey on others.
one old manFunding won't change Obama's lack of enforcement. He
is not going to use the money for enforcement. He needs it to house and relocate
children and adults. byronbcaA person does not need to be here
legally to start a business. So far our leaders have refused to pass any law
barring someone here illegally from owning a business. NeilTId
theft, gangs, social security fraud, i-9 perjury, document mills, etc. Sounds
like a criminal problem to meSchneeThe DACA waivers cover
adults up to 31 years of age.
It was about 3 1/2 years ago that I got a call from a hospital at 2 AM in St
George where my son had been attacked by an ethnic gang member. The kids were at
a party when several cars showed up with multiple gang members jumping out. My
son and his friends decided quickly to leave the party...they were backing out
when a person pretending to be drunk bumped the car and turned and punched my
son in the face while sitting in the back seat of the car..it broke his jaw in
multiple places where it appeared he would lose all his teeth. My son benches
over 300 pounds, but not knowing something like this would happen, his guard was
down. Within 18 hours, 2 other boys were attacked in a similar manner...with
broken jaws. Within 2 days, I had a friend with Secret Clearance find out who
was doing it and why...it was the Mexican Cartel trying to open up Utah to Human
Trafficking and Drugs...making it clear people will be hurt if they report them.
This is why the various Church's stances hurt all of us...they are here to
take and steal.
I see strong parallels to the Gadianton band. The Nephites all but embraced
them -- thought they could share in the profits (legalize drugs, get more taxes,
etc.) It looks good on paper, but any group with power doesn't simply slip
into oblivion because the financial structure changes - they only intensify
their efforts to hold on to their wealth and power. The Lamanites did all in
their power to eradicate the secret band and came real close.As
another reader stated, Mexico tried the legalize drugs method. It didn't
work.This sort of thing takes people who are willing to push back -
whether literally or at least in refraining from contributing to the problem.
Rather than legalize and tax, why don't we stop purchasing and turning a
blind eye to the damage it does to society.
The only reason drug cartel's are in business is we created a business for
them to prosper.Prohibition of citizen's wants or needs causes crime.
The only way to have prohibition on drugs was to create a slave based drug
law that clearly violate citizen equality.....We have been sheep..Knowledge of our crimes against other citizens will be understood better and
corrections to our status quo operations will become lawful under constitutional
rule over all laws. Bribery and Slavery are not allowed....ever.Why we
don't have reasonable logic is some areas: Satan which is our instinct
mechanism is protecting our immoral status quo operations for us all.2 questions.Is every U.S. Citizen equal under U.S. Law? -------------------Do you believe you are equal to doctors of medicine;
under U.S. Law?Why would i: have to keep going back to a doctor for the
same prescription; month after month - year after year. Because I have to,
by law. It’s great to be a slave master isn't it?And
not even have to feed them.--------sheepAlma 30: 7 Strictly against
God's command- any law shall bring man onto unequal grounds.
If I said what I would like to say, I would be audited.
"byronbca" What makes you think you have to be a legal resident to open
a business?I have business licenses in two cities and I've
never been asked for I.D. to buy the licenses. The cities couldn't care
less if you're legal or not; nor will the landlord (if you're renting
the business space)!Point is: Most all of the mexican markets you
see around town are owned/run by illegal immigrant trespassers. Some of them
don't even have anyone on staff who speak English.Guess what -
they are selling more than food and beer out of them!I used to turn
them in to the cops. They didn't ever do much. Now - I don't
bother!Government has to have a DESIRE to do something about
lawlessness - UNTIL they get to that point, nothing will happen!
I hope indeed that our police will restrain the cartels. And that cartel money
does not subvert them. It is unbelievable to me that people want to take mind
altering chemicals. Not a help to longevity.
Here is an even more novel Idea:Treat the cartels as Terrorist
organizations. It is obvius that the corrupt governmemnts south of the Rio Grand
are either in bed with or ignoring the cartels. We have gone into Pakistan, Iraq
and Afganistan after Terrorists, perhaps we should consider doing this a little
closer to home. Find the cartel bases, send in a couple of Spectre Gunships,
maybe test fly a couple of F-35s and eliminate them. If the folks down there
pretend not to see our borders let's return the favor.There will be
collateral damage but no more than if we continue to tiptoe around the fact that
these terrorist organizations are already attacking us.
Unless kids are running the cartels, those deportation waivers don't do all
Close the borders. Just exactly how do we close a border that stretched from CA
to Texas. Illegal immigration is an economic not a criminal problem. Why do we
have to politicize everything.
I think a lot of people posting aren't connecting the dots. If a cartel
member can open up a bar or restaurant to launder money they will also have the
proper paperwork and would be legally documented, hence they wouldn't be
illegals. This isn't an immigration issue as much as it's a supply and
demand issue.Law enforcement needs to focus on lowering the demand
If you don't get serious about arresting, prosecuting, jailing and
deporting you're going to end up like New York. Our daily drug arrest
report here reads like a Mexican telephone directory.
Its sad to see many of you blame illegal immigrants for this to cover up the
huge addiction there is in the states for drugs. The cartel does what it does
because of us, our addictions and selfish needs. Go ahead and blame the hard
working illegal immigrants that have nothing to do with this because the people
that run the cartel don't come in illegally they come in totally legal and
under our nose. Its funny that you should blame all on the illegal immigrant but
when he comes and cleans your house, build your home and upkeep your lifestyle
you don't mind questioning his legality. All you care is that you saved
money and the job was well done.
BYU alum, you want the House of Representatives to STOP the funding for border
protection?Don't you know that failure by Congress to fund
border fences and other means of protection have been one of the things that has
caused the "open border?"It's Congress, NOT the
president that is to blame.
The gang of 13 (my list but DMN won't allow it to be stated) should be
thrilled at the results of illegal immigration. Just lacking a few torsos
displayed hanging from the overpasses and it will be just like Mexico. Perhaps
in 20 years we will sending our children to Honduras to escape the violence
here. Wish Ike would come back from the dead and solve this for us. Legal
Immigration good. Illegal immigration bad. Viva LEGAL immigration.
It's only going to get worse because of the influx of illegals of all
descriptions from the southern border. Stop the bleeding. Close the border. Stop
the funding: U.S. House of Representatives!
The War on Drugs is not going to work until the War is aimed at getting people
to stop using drugs, stop buying drugs. Then we still will have the illegal
activities the cartels engage in. And the police has to deal with them with
reduced staffing. Make sense! Once again we see our Congressional salaries
hard at work.
They make more money on extortion, blackmail, kidnapping and selling
"protection" to business owners, than they do on drugs in Mexico. Making
drugs legal won't stop them, it will just give them another avenue to
launder their money. It's the open border people that caused
this. With 15 million here illegally, and little to no deportations, it easy to
Utah has some of the highest prescription abuse in the nation. What kind of
example are we setting for our kids? Perhaps, the problem isn't so much
the drug cartel as that Utah is allowing demand for drugs to make it much more
lucrative for the cartel to come to Utah. The peaceful solution to the cartel
violence is to address the reason they are coming here. Utah needs to focus
more on drug addiction prevention and the demand side than the supply side. Dry
up demand and let the cartel so someplace else to make money. It's simple
Republican conservative economics of capitalist supply and demand. What
conservative Utah needs is to begin to live up to its political principles.
You can thank your local leaders (Democratic Party, Chamber of Commerce, and
churches) for this. They have pushed for open borders and amnesty all for gain
and with total disregard for our nation. And this newspaper's editors are
not without blame. They have gladly served as the propaganda mouthpiece for
amnesty and open borders for years. We knew the outcome and the
ensuing destruction of our nation, while you only wanted to line your pockets.
There's a word for this.
We may have reached a point of no return. Open borders are something to
consider, but that issue is minor compared to the more significant problem of
the "War on Drugs." The war on drugs has been the primary influence for
the rise of these gangs. Time to legalize drugs and take the money out of the
business.prelax's comments are right on though. We may be too
cartels feed on our vices.clean up our own acts and the cartels will
die of starvation.
bobdc6The cartels are into human trafficking, kidnapping,
prostitution, vice etc. also, eliminating drugs won't stop them. Mexico
made drugs legal for consumption over a year ago. It hasn't slowed them
Open borders let criminals in. Imagine that!Who has been calling
for border enforcement, and who has refused to do it, even though it is the law?
Now you know who should get credit for the rising crime rates.
Just like alcohol, legalize and tax, presto, no more gang income, no more gangs.
Why should we be surprised?Open borders and continually requesting
amnesties to fuel the cheap labor market has consequences.The LEGAL
immigration process has a tendency to eliminate the undesirable element - but
cheap labor lobbyists hate that.
Sounds like that touchy feely "Utah compact" thing isn't working
out so well. Here is a novel idea: how 'bout we send the illegal aliens