John Florez: Utah leaders lack confidence, lose public trust

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  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    July 27, 2014 11:36 p.m.


    What you keep saying is exactly the problem. None of what you said is the common core. There is no method, curriculum or book. It is a set of standards!

    Never before have I seen so many people duped into believing something that is complete false. When I ask my neighbor what part of the common core he doesn't like, he can't tell me. He will say something like, "well the new book that comes with common core..."

    There is no book that comes with common core. The common core is a set of standards created by the states.

    Did you know that Utah was the leader in organizing the SBAC until our legislators decided to pull us out of it? Now the other states are benefitting from the work done by Utah and we lost millions of dollars in grant money.


  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 26, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    So I guess there was no frustration by parents with math before the common core. In fact, students loved math beyond measure before the common core, right?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 26, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    @rbb.... You said "For example, several times last year my two youngest children brought home math assignments. When they asked for help I read the problem and tried to figure out what they even wanted. (Math was always my strongest subject). My son (who is an engineer) also was baffled"

    You point out the exact problem. Common Core does not prescribe any curriculum. That is set by the state, or local school boards. It does not prescribe methods. That is set by the same bodies. If there is problems with what kids come home with.... look no further than your local school board.

    This has yet again become an over politicized campaign to brand something it is not. It is not a federal program. It was the work of govonors from many states around the nation in an attempt to ensure kids in kentucky were working towards the same profeciencies as kids in Utah. It presribes no lessons, no text books, no methods. Anyone trying to turn it into something more that is doing so purely for political purposes.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    July 26, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    Maybe Mr. Florez is a Democrat? I haven't lost confidence in Utah's public leaders. We have very few instances of corruption over the years. We have one of the best run states in the nation.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    Mr. Flores is right, the state board of education is responsible for education standards in Utah. The state constitution should be changed to fix this. We need to try different solutions and the board is part of the problem.

    Board members for the most part have education degrees. For some reason this doesn't translate to excellence in education. I have worked with them to see if math education could be fixed. They don't have what it takes to appreciate there is a problem let alone do what it takes to improve the situation.

  • bill in af American Fork, UT
    July 26, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    John has missed the biggest problem in our state education system which is the over- reaching state legislature who will not let the state school board do their job. It is the state legislature that is mandating to the board things such as SAGE testing (which by the way is not a federal testing program of Common Core that many of the far right would have us believe). There are far too many education bills introduced every year where the legislature is trying to control our state system and take responsibility out of the hands of the state school board.

    The governor is just trying to clear up the misunderstanding of Common Core which is being circulated by the far right. Yes, there are problems with the math CC, and SAGE testing will also have to be reviewed for improvement, but the language arts/social studies/science CC is a great improvement over NCLB which is a national republican education program. Where were the right wingers during George Bush's presidency?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    July 26, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Florez blatantly ignores the fact that Herbert is acting to prevent left-wing dogma from taking over the school system. This is what the public expects the Governor to do.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    On the contrary, our leaders are finally waking up to the fact that Common Core is not just a set of standards. I am all in favor of high standards. But how hard is it to say - here are our standards? Common Core is filled with content, some of which is just wrong and some of which is convoluted. For example, several times last year my two youngest children brought home math assignments. When they asked for help I read the problem and tried to figure out what they even wanted. (Math was always my strongest subject). My son (who is an engineer) also was baffled. I finally showed my kids how to solve the problem and within a few minutes they were getting the right answers. The right answers were marked wrong, however, because they did not use the methodology the teacher wanted. We finally started using the Saxon math books that our older children had used and our kids significantly improved in their ability to solve the problems. Now are kids know how the right answers (even if they will be marked wrong because they do not follow the "new math" the teacher wants to teach).

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    July 26, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Could this be an attempt at a distraction?
    We keep hearing that there will be more to the investigation into the Swallow/Shurtliff case
    Possibly more individuals in Utah government involved?

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 26, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    Why doesn't Mr Florez point out the obvious (well obvious to me anyway).

    The Common Core standards are the new bogeyman of the political right. The Governor has gotten heat over this issue, and he desperately needs to bide his time to see how the wind will blow in a year or so. I think he wants to be re-elected and does not want to be challenged from his political right flank.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 26, 2014 1:13 a.m.

    It would be a great if a committee was formed to look at reducing class size and decaying teacher morale...