Watchdog group puts colleges on notice over First Amendment

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  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    Aug. 7, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    @ Happy Valley Heretic:

    Once again you are missing many of the intended concepts of an article.
    Please explain why you stated the 2nd amendment always trumps the 1st amendment to the Constitution.

    The comparison of robes to cap and gowns in a classroom setting wasn't intended as peer to peer review, but rather in a professor-student relationship. Students shouldn't have to prove a teacher wrong to voice their opinions. As it currently is, even if he or she even contends disagreement with something a teacher states, that student is often forced to lose face in the classroom, suffer grade demotions or sometimes even told to leave the class... the complete opposite of free speech.

    Religious groups may appear to be "socialist/dictator" settings to you. But that blanket statement does not hold water to religion as a whole.

    We're all aware of how anti-religion you are from many previous comments. But to claim religious concepts in general were written "by very primitive peoples" is an ignorant statement in and of itself.

    Individuals in previous millennia were often some of the most intelligent this world has ever experienced.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    liberty or ...said: "but how many of us EDUCATED people buy every theory or fact they say in the classroom because the robe is now a cap and gown the bible is now a diploma the title is not father but professor and instead of quoting scripture its biased peer review..."

    You said US? So you consider yourself someone who worships like a religion, the higher education system?
    Science is cut throat and if a student can prove his professors theory wrong, his name gets put on top.
    Peer review is much like a "jury of your peers," which is better than judged by one leader, right?
    It is nothing like religion unless you let it be, which it sounds like you did, or do, hard to tell from your comment.

    Religion is not a democracy, it is a voluntary socialist/dictatorship group, following thoughts and ideas written long, long ago by very primitive peoples, as though they are a higher form of knowledge, great if you want that.

    Education is an evolving tool that adjusts for new and changing knowledge, which is what it should be.

    That being said, every town and campus needs a Trafalga Square.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 6, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Wait doesn't SLC enforce "Free Speech Zones" far away from those they wish to protest? Is SLC not a public square?

    If he would have been handing out flyers, for a raging kegger and roman toga party, would you still support him?
    I mean free speech is free speech, right, so it's not What, he was handing out, it's that he wasn't following school policy.
    Freedom of speech is not unlimited, in fact the 2nd Amendment alway trumps the first, when in hand.

    You folks act like we've had some kind of free for all before Obama, There weren't any taxes, there weren't free speech zones, The patriot act wasn't created? War was cool then.

    I mean really, get a grip and check actual history instead of hysterics on the radio.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 5, 2014 6:15 p.m.

    Article quote x 2: "Corn-Revere has been working with FIRE, which sued Modesto Junior College last fall over the incident and the policies that drove it. In February of this year, the school settled, paying $50,000 in legal fees and damages and dropping all "speech zone" restrictions."

    And this: "But FIRE grew tired of playing Whac-a-Mole. The group announced last month that lawsuits will now be their first resort, to be filed against public colleges in each federal judicial circuit. After each victory or settlement, FIRE will sue another school in the same circuit."

    All right! Nice to see common sense on the move, playing offense instead of perpetually playing defense!

  • Digomart Evansville, IN
    Aug. 4, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Re: There You Go Again.
    The point is that this group looks for violations of First Amendment right in public universities. And should I move to a different state (or country?) if the one I live in curtails my Second Amendment rights? Or work to change it?

  • Stable thought FORT MORGAN, CO
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    This is a good debate to be had. We often get confused on the differences between a public and private school. Public schools should always be held to highest standard that allows all vioces to be heard.....after all you and I pay taxes to suppliment their education. Private universities should be able to set standards that favor their point of view (exception is discrimination you all know those perfected classes). A private institution must have a right to it voice as if it is a person....public funded all vioces must be heard. Than you can choose public or private?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 3, 2014 3:50 a.m.

    Free speech has no infringements or restrictions and cannot be made to pay a fee to express ones opinion. These schools and college are well funded by taxpayers generosity and loans paying them trillions of dollars a year they wouldn't have without student loans so they better fall in line and refrain from infringing on Constitution and guaranteed rights to Americans. I can see making it illegal for any foreign nationals to soap box and public speeches becasue it is a threat to our democracy and rights.

    Slandering, prejudice, racism, are rights of free speech to all. Free speech is not limited or granted specifically to advocates or special interests or lobbyist. The only restriction of speech and rights are with foreign nationals and citizens from other country's. I can understand that schools and government put restrictions and approve speech on non citizens but no amreican is restricted, guests of this nation speech is restricted and regulated.

    A politically correct policy is an illegal infringement and must be regarded an illegal act. We have the right to hate or defend our nation from all invaders and trespassers with prejudice.

  • 1Reader Sunnyvale, CA
    Aug. 3, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    Honestly, I read or hear something disrespectful about the LDS Church almost every week. Do I care? They're just words. I move on, and hope to better educate and inspire those people later. There's never any uproar, and I don't see anyone else getting upset about it. This isn't true about many groups, which will try to ruin you if you say anything potentially negative about them, even when defending your own beliefs, choices and values (whether true and helpful, or not).

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 7:53 p.m.

    If a school is not for you, don't attend...go somewhere else.

    Spend the money where you can get what you need in an environment that works for you.


    Or... become a foot soldier for a watch dog group who will use you as a willing dupe for whatever agenda they happen to be selling.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Unfortunately our campuses are starting to resemble the trappings of the old dogmatists and inquisitionists. 400yrs ago we called for reformation in religion due to corruption. We need a new one today in academia. Just because someone comes to you in robes quoting scripture and holding a Bible doesn't mean they speak for God and we recognize that, but how many of us EDUCATED people buy every theory or fact they say in the classroom because the robe is now a cap and gown the bible is now a diploma the title is not father but professor and instead of quoting scripture its biased peer reviews from the new priesthood of the scientific community who hide behind the term consensus.I have sat in many lectures and listened to professors attack people they disagree with and people who would speek out against it but are afraid they won't pass the course if they do.I have had credentials thrown in my face when I dared point out the holes in some expert lecturers theories as if the title alone suggests they can't lie, be mistaken or dishonest when money,ideology, reputation and status are on the line.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    July 31, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    "I think there is a lack of understanding on college campuses about what the First Amendment requires,” said Robert Corn-Revere

    I think that the real problem is that many "educators" don't believe in the first amendment.

    A right to free speech does exist. A right not to be offended does not exist because you can never predict what a person will find offensive.

    People should be polite, considerate and have some manners.
    Rather than get offended they should memorize "Sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me."

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 24, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    "The rise of speech restrictions on campus appears to be closely tied to greater diversity on campus, . . . "

    How is that possible? You mean that the powers that be are panicking when they see diversity so they put up restrictions?

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    July 24, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Some of us have been around long enough to remember Mario Savio and the Free Speech movement at U.C. Berkeley during the 1960s. If Mario Savio reappeared and began advocating for free speech on some of our public university campuses today, I would be curious to see what kind of reaction or response he would get from the "politically correct" community.