I nominate CJ for Jazz GM. He has all the answers. "Sign big-name free
agents!" he says. That's like, GENIUS!! How did Jazz brass not think of
that?"Trade our mediocre players for elite studs!" he
implies. Another super, super idea.Why do I get the feeling his
coaching advice would sound something like "Guys, outscore the other team.
If we can just end the game with more points than them, we will have a
chance!"The "Spurs model," lest we forget, included
tanking and lucking into two cornerstone big men (Robinson and Duncan), getting
lucky with two non-US draftees that were hardly obvious future stars (Manu and
Parker), as well as smart management and a great coach. Unless someone knows of
a Tim Duncan-type player the Jazz can easily pick up and who wants to spend his
career here, the "Spurs model," is an illusion. You need more than a
little luck to reach the top, especially in NBA Siberia.
Right on Mr. Bass. Had they kept Jefferson and Millsap, Favors would have still
developed and the Jazz would be a playoff team right now with a lot of upside.
Instead, they invested nothing and expect Kanter to save them. They could have
had a starting line-up of:JeffersonFavorsHaywardBurkeand maybe picked up a 2 in free agency.Bench of:MillsapKanterExumHoodBurksI would
take my chances of playing 10 deep and having fresh legs in the 4th quarter.
I miss Jefferson and milsap. They were better than any free agent that would
ever consider Utah. What did Lindsey get for them...a combined nothing!
Jazz Source: Millsap and Jefferson are in their prime. Those are the players
you want to keep on your team. They were cheaper to keep than Hayward whom
hasn't proved a thing to this point as far as a go-to guy in the 4th
quarter. Demarre was also a easy contract to keep and they let him go too.
American Vet, I agree with your posts. I am positive Lindsay has down everything
humanly possible to get some good vets here, but as you point out, there are
always difficult circumstances involved that do not allow it to happen. Some of
these posters think that if you wish something to happen, it will happen. Not
so! I agree that we should sit back and enjoy the ride and let Lindsay and the
rest of Jazz management do their thing and let's see what happens. As one
poster said, I am also anxious to see what 14 players start for the Jazz when
the preseason games start.
So many schizo posters."Bring in free agents!" Then its
"play/develop the young guys!"Uh, can't do both. For every big name free agent you bring in, that just takes minutes from
our young guys that we drafted via painful losing seasons. So we want veteran
free agents like Millsap and Jefferson that we just let go (that could barely
win 40-45 games)? You can't have both.This is going to take
years to see how these guys turn out but fans act like some magical
transformation will occur next season.My guess is we will be winning
around 30 games give or take 5. No more than 35 games.New
coach/system with even more younger players with even less experience. This is
a recipe that will take some time percolate to see what the outcome is.
@Doug10Let's say Cleveland was dumb enough to trade Love for Favors.
The problem is that Love has one year left on his contract and becomes a free
agent next year. He has already stated that he will only resign a new deal with
a few teams of his choosing and you can bet the Jazz are not one of them. So if
that deal really could happen ( kind of like if Santa Claus is real ), after 1
year Favors would be in Minnesota, Love would be in some big market like LA or
maybe with LeBron in Cleveland, and the Jazz would be left holding the bag.
Let's just let Lindsey do his job because he knows it better than the rest
Lindsay needs to look higher. He has already offered Favors for Wiggins during
the draft. He could offer Favors for Love now to Minnesota that way Minnesota
will receive something for Love as right now they are bound to lose it all.The Jazz could then have an all star on board to train the younger
players, or the Jazz could trade Love for Wiggins this season. Cleveland says
they won't trade but they could be the championship team next season with
LeBron and their existing team if they also got Love.Lindsay has
been disappointing as a GM and this trade has done nothing to change that
Wow! The interactions here are interesting to read! The die-hard fans against
the perpetual doubters. (Count me as one of the die-hard fans.) Seems that most
posters are fairly optimistic about the future and new kids/coach, willing to
give them all a "wait and see" chance. CJ Miles is, obviously, NOT a
Jazz fan. But that's OK. All opinions count and bring perspective (and
passion) to everything the Jazz organization does and will or will not do.
Let's see how it all plays out!Go Jazzboys (whenever the time
comes for the play to begin)!! (Not soon enough for me!) (Lots of exclamation
points in my stuff!!) (Sometimes it gets bounced because of them.)
CJ Miles for starters............Pau GasolAnd your entire list
should have gotten offers from the Jazz. They had plenty of cap room to pay.
Deng is better than Hayward and so is Parsons. Lance Stevenson would have been
a great addition.
@CJ"Who on the Spurs has a max deal?" The Spurs are
in the most envious position to have top players that know they will be
competing for a championship every year until they retire. The players have all
agreed to be paid way below the market so they can stay together and have the
cap space to resign other up and coming players and free agents. The Jazz were
kind of similar to this in the Malone and Stockton days where they didn't
strap the Jazz with exorbitant demands and that allowed the Jazz to sign top
free agents like Hornacek. The Jazz are not a contender right now and Salt Lake
unfortunately is not a destination that top free agents want to go to. That
makes it necessary to overpay for players. Hopefully we will all see the Jazz
become contenders again and if they are fighting for championships they will
have a better chance to bring in top free agents that want to win before they
@CJ MilesWho would have signed with Utah? Carmello??
(NO - Chose to stay with the sorry Knicks and turned down options at Chicago,
Miami and L.A.)Bosh?? (NO - Chose to take MAX MAX money with Miami
when he could have gotten MAX to go to Houston and been an instant contender)Parson?? (Is parsons better than hayward? they got paid the same
amount....)Deng?? (Injury ridden small forward - better than
hayward? got $4M less than Hayward)Wade?? (You really want a washed
up Wade?)Bledsoe?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the
Jazz?)Monroe?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the
Jazz?)Pierce?? (You really want a washed up Paul Piece?)Granger?? (You want an injury ridden unproductive Danny Granger?)McRoberts?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the Jazz?)Am I missing anyone?The biggest names past up on better
opportunities, better opportunities the jazz are in, to stay in a poorer
situation with more money.
The Jazz had a ton of cap room this off-season. Instead of going after the best
free agents, they sign Hayward to a max deal. Who on the Spurs has a max deal?
Model like the Spurs? I don't see Duncan or the Admiral on this team. Nor
a Parker or Ginobli. This team is nothing like the Spurs. Favors will never be
an offensive threat. Kanter will never play defense. Hayward will never to a 4
quarter player nor a good shooter. Burke is too small, Burkes can't shoot
and Exum is a rookie with zero playing experience outside of high school. Hood
was coached by the best and may turn into the best player on the team. No
Veterans on this team to help the younger players. When Jerry was here, we were
like the Spurs. Now we are like the Bobcats.
@IndeMakNo the Sacramento Kings are the KC Royals. Utah is the New Orleans
Jazz. I get your point though. San Antonio at least has Popovich and the chance
of winning a title. Utah doesn't have a lot to offer an "A" list
Look - The jazz traded three guys that weren't going to be on
their team anyways, and got a guy that will be on their team, $1,000,000, and a
draft pick.If you had an opportunity to turn nothing into something
- wouldn't you do it? And wouldn't people admire you for it?Pull your heads out jazz fans.
@CJBring in top free agents? How has that been working out for the
Brooklyn Nets (largest payroll in the NBA and nothing to show for it except a
first round playoff win and a blowout by Miami)? Houston Rockets (first round
playoff exit). LA Clippers (BARELY got out of the first round). New York Knicks
(nothing to show for it).With one exception (the Miami Heat), first
round winning teams in the playoffs this year "grew" their team
organically and then made one or two final moves to complete the package (Spurs
/ Wizards / Trailblazers / Pacers / Thunder)DL knows what he is
doing. He is building a sustainable model - similar to that of the Spurs. I
know we all hate the spurs - but i'd take their winning history over the
jazz's any day.
You guys really think Felix has game? Come on. The only thing the Jazz are
doing is making Cleveland a championship team by helping them land Love. The
Jazz let Demarre Carroll walk when he was an easy signing. Then they go out and
pick up inferior players to replace him. When the Jazz consider Hayward their
best player, its going to be a long season. Exum and Burke play the same
position so that doesn't help the team progress. The only thing that has
upside is Hood. He could be the real deal. Burke will have to be traded to
allow Exum to play which will set the Jazz back another couple of years. When
Jerry was here, there never was a rebuilding year. Rebuilding is an excuse for
not wanting to do your job as management and to blow smoke for the fans.
Question for the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) experts out there:If Cleveland cuts all of the non-guaranteed contracts that they just
received, might the Jazz be able to re-sign Malcolm Thomas?It does
look like the Jazz traded away 3 players that would have otherwise been cut in
preseason, so they may have gotten something for nothing. I don't think
Lucas and Murphy were going to make this team. Malcolm Thomas might have made
the team, but probably wouldn't have seen any playing time, so his salary
would be a waste anyway.I think Brock Motem has a lot of potential
as a 4th power forward (behind Kanter, Booker, and Novak; assuming Jeremy Evans
would be used as a small forward). Maybe this makes space on the roster for
Motem? I like that. And the Jazz still need to worry about making
the minimum salary, so they need more roster spots to bring in a few more bodies
that they will be paying more money to. How much short of the minimum salary
are they now? About $10M?
Felix has game, just hasn't had the chance to play. I remember watching
him at AZ ST. Young athletic wing. Obviously this isn't a huge signing,
but here's to hoping that he becomes our next Demarre Carroll! I agree that a lot of the fans on this thread need to chill. If you have
followed the Jazz for the last 30 years you would realize that we will NEVER
sign a big name FA!
This will be an interesting season for you Jazz fans. I think the team will be
better although their record might not show it. Most teams in the West got
better also. They could still battle Sacramento, which is a disaster, the Lakers
unless Kobe comes back to full strength and Minnesota for bottom dweller. They
could also make a run at catching New Orleans and Denver.You should
see improvement from Favors, Hayward, and Burks. Burkes should be serviceable
once again. Booker will be an upgrade on Marvin Williams. Novak could add some
needed outside shooting. If the rookies grow quickly they should win 30 to 35
games. If the rookies struggle then look for another sub 30 win season.I'm no expert just like to give my opinion.
It's clear by their summer acquisitions that the Jazz are really committed
this year to seeing how Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, Favors, Exum, Hood and
Gobert will work out for the Jazz--what we all thought was going to happen last
year, if only Tyrone Corbin had cooperated with the front office.The
Jazz can try out Carrick Felix at shooting guard behind Burks, Hayward (and
perhaps Exum). If he works out, they can re-sign him on a small longer-term
deal, if not, he becomes a free agent. The second year of Booker's
contract is only partially guaranteed--so the same thing with him. Steve Novak
has a two-year deal, so pretty much same thing with him (and good shooters are
at a premium, so getting him for less than $4 mil. per year looks like a good
deal).I'd like to see the Jazz round out the roster with some
long-in-the-tooth veterans like Chauncey Billups and Marcus Camby, who
wouldn't expect to play much, but could teach the young guys a few things
Fans need to get a grip. The best free agents aren't ever coming to Utah.
If we could get a top free agent, it would have happened. The team has to build
from the draft. We are the Kansas City Royals. Get used to it.
This is definitely the last piece in the championship puzzle!
This could be positioning for another trade. I liked Thomas' play in
Summer League but the Jazz are not losing anything with Murphy or Lucas. I
don't know that Booker, Novak, and Felix make the team much better but they
certainly don't make them worse. The fact they all reportedly support the
type of system Snyder wants to develop is a good thing.Unlike the
persistent pessimists, I like what DL is doing. Dramatic changes won't
happen overnight but you can see a foundation being laid. What's being
built can and will be molded and changed but if the foundation is good anything
else can be fixed without blowing the whole thing up.It's going
to be an exciting year to see the growth and development of this young, athletic
team. I'll be surprised if we don't see a 5-10 win improvement even
while Coach Q is trying to build something.
I would like to comment on the SAS pick at #30, Kyle Anderson. That could be the
sleeper pick of the 1014 NBA draft. I have visions of when the Jazz failed to
draft Parker and he was taken after the Jazz drafted. He has become a super star
for SA. I feel like they have done it again. Good for them, if that is the case.
Rodney Hood looks good, too. I guess we'll see what happens.
Felix hardly played for a bad team last year, it's unlikely he'll do
much more here, but getting a 2nd round pick, a million bucks and a player who
at least has a chance at dressing for essentially nothing has to be seen as a
great trade for Utah.
The Jazz now have 2 or 3 roster spots they can fill during the year. They still
need to spend some $'s to reach the NBA team player minimum, so they
aren't through yet. I would like to see them bring in the PG from, I
believe Brazil, who did well in last year's summer games. They typically
carry 3 PG's on the roster, and he would be a good one for Snyder to
develop.They could use Jeremy Evans for trade bait - he hasn't really
developed like he should have - he is a PF in the body of a SF. I would like to
see them pick up another center and move Enes Kanter to PF and pick up a big PF
that has potential, maybe sign Jason Washburn or Brock Motum to NGC's for
now and see what they can do - if either does not work out, then use him in a
trade. That would give the jazz 14 players, but only 13 with GC's. It will
be interesting to see who the Jazz end up with when the season starts.
@CJI'll have to disagree with you. You say Felix is a nobody
like he's some scrub veteran player. He's only been in the league 1
year. And i feel that Lindsey has made a lot of good moves this offseason. Sure,
a "3rd grader would've picked Exum at #5 and Hood at #23", but he
still could've pulled a KoC and drafted other guys instead or trading down
lower. Plus, a market like Utah has to overpay for free agents, because what big
name would want to come here otherwise? They let the marker dictate the price
and utah couldn't just an asset go for nothing. Hayward is good and will be
in a much better system this coming season. Lindsey has made a lot of smart, but
not flashy moves.@Tomof course they needed a guard. They
have Exum and Burke (and kinda Clark, too...if his option is picked up) and then
theres Burks and that's about it at the 2. Felix, i've read, is a big
strong guard who is a good defender. Plus, no more JLIII!
Great trade...The Jazz needed a guard??!! Uuuhhhh
Are you kidding me? Felix is a nobody in the NBA. He brings NOTHING to the
Jazz in terms of helping the team win basketball games. This is all about money
and stupidity. The Jazz have done NOTHING in free agency or trades to improve
the team. On top of that, they gave Hayward way too much money for his poor
performance last year. I am still waiting for Lindsey to do something useful to
improve this team. Using draft picks doesn't make him a genius. Being a
genius, is bringing in quality free agents to help win more games. A first
grader could have drafted Exum and Hood at #5 and #23. Trading players for
second round picks is a waste too.
I liked Thomas in the summer league games, but that's the way it goes.
Felix can defend, he hustles, and supposedly he fits in a fast-moving offense.
Sounds like a good player for Coach Snyder's bench. Let's see if the
Jazz add a shooter now.