Utah Jazz: Jazz send 3 players to Cleveland as Cavs keep hoping to find Love

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  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 28, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    I nominate CJ for Jazz GM. He has all the answers. "Sign big-name free agents!" he says. That's like, GENIUS!! How did Jazz brass not think of that?

    "Trade our mediocre players for elite studs!" he implies. Another super, super idea.

    Why do I get the feeling his coaching advice would sound something like "Guys, outscore the other team. If we can just end the game with more points than them, we will have a chance!"

    The "Spurs model," lest we forget, included tanking and lucking into two cornerstone big men (Robinson and Duncan), getting lucky with two non-US draftees that were hardly obvious future stars (Manu and Parker), as well as smart management and a great coach. Unless someone knows of a Tim Duncan-type player the Jazz can easily pick up and who wants to spend his career here, the "Spurs model," is an illusion. You need more than a little luck to reach the top, especially in NBA Siberia.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    Right on Mr. Bass. Had they kept Jefferson and Millsap, Favors would have still developed and the Jazz would be a playoff team right now with a lot of upside. Instead, they invested nothing and expect Kanter to save them. They could have had a starting line-up of:

    and maybe picked up a 2 in free agency.

    Bench of:


    I would take my chances of playing 10 deep and having fresh legs in the 4th quarter.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 25, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    I miss Jefferson and milsap. They were better than any free agent that would ever consider Utah. What did Lindsey get for them...a combined nothing!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    Jazz Source: Millsap and Jefferson are in their prime. Those are the players you want to keep on your team. They were cheaper to keep than Hayward whom hasn't proved a thing to this point as far as a go-to guy in the 4th quarter. Demarre was also a easy contract to keep and they let him go too.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 24, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    American Vet, I agree with your posts. I am positive Lindsay has down everything humanly possible to get some good vets here, but as you point out, there are always difficult circumstances involved that do not allow it to happen. Some of these posters think that if you wish something to happen, it will happen. Not so! I agree that we should sit back and enjoy the ride and let Lindsay and the rest of Jazz management do their thing and let's see what happens. As one poster said, I am also anxious to see what 14 players start for the Jazz when the preseason games start.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 24, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    So many schizo posters.

    "Bring in free agents!" Then its "play/develop the young guys!"

    Uh, can't do both.

    For every big name free agent you bring in, that just takes minutes from our young guys that we drafted via painful losing seasons. So we want veteran free agents like Millsap and Jefferson that we just let go (that could barely win 40-45 games)? You can't have both.

    This is going to take years to see how these guys turn out but fans act like some magical transformation will occur next season.

    My guess is we will be winning around 30 games give or take 5. No more than 35 games.

    New coach/system with even more younger players with even less experience. This is a recipe that will take some time percolate to see what the outcome is.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    Let's say Cleveland was dumb enough to trade Love for Favors. The problem is that Love has one year left on his contract and becomes a free agent next year. He has already stated that he will only resign a new deal with a few teams of his choosing and you can bet the Jazz are not one of them. So if that deal really could happen ( kind of like if Santa Claus is real ), after 1 year Favors would be in Minnesota, Love would be in some big market like LA or maybe with LeBron in Cleveland, and the Jazz would be left holding the bag. Let's just let Lindsey do his job because he knows it better than the rest of us.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    Lindsay needs to look higher. He has already offered Favors for Wiggins during the draft. He could offer Favors for Love now to Minnesota that way Minnesota will receive something for Love as right now they are bound to lose it all.

    The Jazz could then have an all star on board to train the younger players, or the Jazz could trade Love for Wiggins this season. Cleveland says they won't trade but they could be the championship team next season with LeBron and their existing team if they also got Love.

    Lindsay has been disappointing as a GM and this trade has done nothing to change that status.

  • VeraLouise Sandy, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    Wow! The interactions here are interesting to read! The die-hard fans against the perpetual doubters. (Count me as one of the die-hard fans.) Seems that most posters are fairly optimistic about the future and new kids/coach, willing to give them all a "wait and see" chance. CJ Miles is, obviously, NOT a Jazz fan. But that's OK. All opinions count and bring perspective (and passion) to everything the Jazz organization does and will or will not do. Let's see how it all plays out!

    Go Jazzboys (whenever the time comes for the play to begin)!! (Not soon enough for me!) (Lots of exclamation points in my stuff!!) (Sometimes it gets bounced because of them.)

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    CJ Miles for starters............
    Pau Gasol
    And your entire list should have gotten offers from the Jazz. They had plenty of cap room to pay. Deng is better than Hayward and so is Parsons. Lance Stevenson would have been a great addition.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 23, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    "Who on the Spurs has a max deal?"

    The Spurs are in the most envious position to have top players that know they will be competing for a championship every year until they retire. The players have all agreed to be paid way below the market so they can stay together and have the cap space to resign other up and coming players and free agents. The Jazz were kind of similar to this in the Malone and Stockton days where they didn't strap the Jazz with exorbitant demands and that allowed the Jazz to sign top free agents like Hornacek. The Jazz are not a contender right now and Salt Lake unfortunately is not a destination that top free agents want to go to. That makes it necessary to overpay for players. Hopefully we will all see the Jazz become contenders again and if they are fighting for championships they will have a better chance to bring in top free agents that want to win before they retire.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    Who would have signed with Utah?

    Carmello?? (NO - Chose to stay with the sorry Knicks and turned down options at Chicago, Miami and L.A.)

    Bosh?? (NO - Chose to take MAX MAX money with Miami when he could have gotten MAX to go to Houston and been an instant contender)

    Parson?? (Is parsons better than hayward? they got paid the same amount....)

    Deng?? (Injury ridden small forward - better than hayward? got $4M less than Hayward)

    Wade?? (You really want a washed up Wade?)

    Bledsoe?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the Jazz?)

    Monroe?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the Jazz?)

    Pierce?? (You really want a washed up Paul Piece?)

    Granger?? (You want an injury ridden unproductive Danny Granger?)

    McRoberts?? (Who would he replace and be better than on the Jazz?)

    Am I missing anyone?

    The biggest names past up on better opportunities, better opportunities the jazz are in, to stay in a poorer situation with more money.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    The Jazz had a ton of cap room this off-season. Instead of going after the best free agents, they sign Hayward to a max deal. Who on the Spurs has a max deal?

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    Model like the Spurs? I don't see Duncan or the Admiral on this team. Nor a Parker or Ginobli. This team is nothing like the Spurs. Favors will never be an offensive threat. Kanter will never play defense. Hayward will never to a 4 quarter player nor a good shooter. Burke is too small, Burkes can't shoot and Exum is a rookie with zero playing experience outside of high school. Hood was coached by the best and may turn into the best player on the team. No Veterans on this team to help the younger players. When Jerry was here, we were like the Spurs. Now we are like the Bobcats.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 23, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    No the Sacramento Kings are the KC Royals. Utah is the New Orleans Jazz. I get your point though. San Antonio at least has Popovich and the chance of winning a title. Utah doesn't have a lot to offer an "A" list free agent.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Look -

    The jazz traded three guys that weren't going to be on their team anyways, and got a guy that will be on their team, $1,000,000, and a draft pick.

    If you had an opportunity to turn nothing into something - wouldn't you do it? And wouldn't people admire you for it?

    Pull your heads out jazz fans.

  • CottageCheese SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:37 a.m.


    Bring in top free agents? How has that been working out for the Brooklyn Nets (largest payroll in the NBA and nothing to show for it except a first round playoff win and a blowout by Miami)? Houston Rockets (first round playoff exit). LA Clippers (BARELY got out of the first round). New York Knicks (nothing to show for it).

    With one exception (the Miami Heat), first round winning teams in the playoffs this year "grew" their team organically and then made one or two final moves to complete the package (Spurs / Wizards / Trailblazers / Pacers / Thunder)

    DL knows what he is doing. He is building a sustainable model - similar to that of the Spurs. I know we all hate the spurs - but i'd take their winning history over the jazz's any day.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    You guys really think Felix has game? Come on. The only thing the Jazz are doing is making Cleveland a championship team by helping them land Love. The Jazz let Demarre Carroll walk when he was an easy signing. Then they go out and pick up inferior players to replace him. When the Jazz consider Hayward their best player, its going to be a long season. Exum and Burke play the same position so that doesn't help the team progress. The only thing that has upside is Hood. He could be the real deal. Burke will have to be traded to allow Exum to play which will set the Jazz back another couple of years. When Jerry was here, there never was a rebuilding year. Rebuilding is an excuse for not wanting to do your job as management and to blow smoke for the fans.

  • Northstar Logan, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Question for the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) experts out there:

    If Cleveland cuts all of the non-guaranteed contracts that they just received, might the Jazz be able to re-sign Malcolm Thomas?

    It does look like the Jazz traded away 3 players that would have otherwise been cut in preseason, so they may have gotten something for nothing. I don't think Lucas and Murphy were going to make this team. Malcolm Thomas might have made the team, but probably wouldn't have seen any playing time, so his salary would be a waste anyway.

    I think Brock Motem has a lot of potential as a 4th power forward (behind Kanter, Booker, and Novak; assuming Jeremy Evans would be used as a small forward). Maybe this makes space on the roster for Motem? I like that.

    And the Jazz still need to worry about making the minimum salary, so they need more roster spots to bring in a few more bodies that they will be paying more money to. How much short of the minimum salary are they now? About $10M?

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Felix has game, just hasn't had the chance to play. I remember watching him at AZ ST. Young athletic wing. Obviously this isn't a huge signing, but here's to hoping that he becomes our next Demarre Carroll!

    I agree that a lot of the fans on this thread need to chill. If you have followed the Jazz for the last 30 years you would realize that we will NEVER sign a big name FA!

  • goforit Provo, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    This will be an interesting season for you Jazz fans. I think the team will be better although their record might not show it. Most teams in the West got better also. They could still battle Sacramento, which is a disaster, the Lakers unless Kobe comes back to full strength and Minnesota for bottom dweller. They could also make a run at catching New Orleans and Denver.

    You should see improvement from Favors, Hayward, and Burks. Burkes should be serviceable once again. Booker will be an upgrade on Marvin Williams. Novak could add some needed outside shooting. If the rookies grow quickly they should win 30 to 35 games. If the rookies struggle then look for another sub 30 win season.

    I'm no expert just like to give my opinion.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    It's clear by their summer acquisitions that the Jazz are really committed this year to seeing how Burke, Burks, Hayward, Kanter, Favors, Exum, Hood and Gobert will work out for the Jazz--what we all thought was going to happen last year, if only Tyrone Corbin had cooperated with the front office.

    The Jazz can try out Carrick Felix at shooting guard behind Burks, Hayward (and perhaps Exum). If he works out, they can re-sign him on a small longer-term deal, if not, he becomes a free agent. The second year of Booker's contract is only partially guaranteed--so the same thing with him. Steve Novak has a two-year deal, so pretty much same thing with him (and good shooters are at a premium, so getting him for less than $4 mil. per year looks like a good deal).

    I'd like to see the Jazz round out the roster with some long-in-the-tooth veterans like Chauncey Billups and Marcus Camby, who wouldn't expect to play much, but could teach the young guys a few things about winning.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Fans need to get a grip. The best free agents aren't ever coming to Utah. If we could get a top free agent, it would have happened. The team has to build from the draft. We are the Kansas City Royals. Get used to it.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    This is definitely the last piece in the championship puzzle!

  • SWWeatherGuy South Weber, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    This could be positioning for another trade. I liked Thomas' play in Summer League but the Jazz are not losing anything with Murphy or Lucas. I don't know that Booker, Novak, and Felix make the team much better but they certainly don't make them worse. The fact they all reportedly support the type of system Snyder wants to develop is a good thing.

    Unlike the persistent pessimists, I like what DL is doing. Dramatic changes won't happen overnight but you can see a foundation being laid. What's being built can and will be molded and changed but if the foundation is good anything else can be fixed without blowing the whole thing up.

    It's going to be an exciting year to see the growth and development of this young, athletic team. I'll be surprised if we don't see a 5-10 win improvement even while Coach Q is trying to build something.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    I would like to comment on the SAS pick at #30, Kyle Anderson. That could be the sleeper pick of the 1014 NBA draft. I have visions of when the Jazz failed to draft Parker and he was taken after the Jazz drafted. He has become a super star for SA. I feel like they have done it again. Good for them, if that is the case. Rodney Hood looks good, too. I guess we'll see what happens.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    Felix hardly played for a bad team last year, it's unlikely he'll do much more here, but getting a 2nd round pick, a million bucks and a player who at least has a chance at dressing for essentially nothing has to be seen as a great trade for Utah.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    The Jazz now have 2 or 3 roster spots they can fill during the year. They still need to spend some $'s to reach the NBA team player minimum, so they aren't through yet. I would like to see them bring in the PG from, I believe Brazil, who did well in last year's summer games. They typically carry 3 PG's on the roster, and he would be a good one for Snyder to develop.They could use Jeremy Evans for trade bait - he hasn't really developed like he should have - he is a PF in the body of a SF. I would like to see them pick up another center and move Enes Kanter to PF and pick up a big PF that has potential, maybe sign Jason Washburn or Brock Motum to NGC's for now and see what they can do - if either does not work out, then use him in a trade. That would give the jazz 14 players, but only 13 with GC's. It will be interesting to see who the Jazz end up with when the season starts.

  • SaltyDog Rexburg, ID
    July 22, 2014 9:03 p.m.


    I'll have to disagree with you. You say Felix is a nobody like he's some scrub veteran player. He's only been in the league 1 year. And i feel that Lindsey has made a lot of good moves this offseason. Sure, a "3rd grader would've picked Exum at #5 and Hood at #23", but he still could've pulled a KoC and drafted other guys instead or trading down lower. Plus, a market like Utah has to overpay for free agents, because what big name would want to come here otherwise? They let the marker dictate the price and utah couldn't just an asset go for nothing. Hayward is good and will be in a much better system this coming season. Lindsey has made a lot of smart, but not flashy moves.


    of course they needed a guard. They have Exum and Burke (and kinda Clark, too...if his option is picked up) and then theres Burks and that's about it at the 2. Felix, i've read, is a big strong guard who is a good defender. Plus, no more JLIII!

  • Tom in Tooele Franklin, IN
    July 22, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    Great trade...

    The Jazz needed a guard??!! Uuuhhhh

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 22, 2014 7:28 p.m.

    Are you kidding me? Felix is a nobody in the NBA. He brings NOTHING to the Jazz in terms of helping the team win basketball games. This is all about money and stupidity. The Jazz have done NOTHING in free agency or trades to improve the team. On top of that, they gave Hayward way too much money for his poor performance last year. I am still waiting for Lindsey to do something useful to improve this team. Using draft picks doesn't make him a genius. Being a genius, is bringing in quality free agents to help win more games. A first grader could have drafted Exum and Hood at #5 and #23. Trading players for second round picks is a waste too.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    July 22, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    I liked Thomas in the summer league games, but that's the way it goes. Felix can defend, he hustles, and supposedly he fits in a fast-moving offense. Sounds like a good player for Coach Snyder's bench. Let's see if the Jazz add a shooter now.