Children immigrants entering U.S. may end up as refugees — and Utah should be ready to help

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  • Friday Irvine, CA
    July 18, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    I think that Utah should be ready to help by sending the children back and letting the parents help the child because in this way its more meaningful. But they should also be a little generous to give them a little money to thrive.

  • Sweet Ginger Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    Thank you Deseret News for a thoughtful editorial. These children need our love & prayers.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 18, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    @Open Mormon. Plan on taking in 3 this year, 6 next year, 12 the year after and 24 etc., etc. Obama and followers' plan of open amnesty/borders only will encourage more and more if history is correct. My 30 years of working in 24 countries side by side with the common man leads me to estimate that 3.5 Billion will be coming. If you want to help send some donations. Mexico has a program call Dos por Uno. You put up one and they will match it with two. You can dictate where and for what purpose you want. Another good one in Sudan is Doctors without Borders. Save the Children is another good one. Please feel free to donate as much as you want.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    BO says doesn't want a photo op he wants solutions. My suggestion. 60,000 illegals x $300 one way airfare = $18,000,000. That's a savings of $3,682,000,000 over his proposal. PLUS it sends a message that spending $2,000 to send your kids up here and get on BO's payroll doesn't work. Others will get the message also. Spending 3.7 Billion invites more of the same. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 17, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    "We have to stop this from happening again and again"

    My question is not to support no immigration laws or to ignore the laws we have but, just what is the harm that has to be stopped from happening.

    The illegals don't get welfare benefits they don't get retirement benefits, they do work citizens don't want or won't do.

    I know the harm I see but I don't see the bigger messes referred to in the posts.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    Justice demands that illegal aliens be returned to their country of origin. Mercy demands that we feed them until the airplanes can take them back to Central America. Glenn Beck, of all people, has raised over $2 million to feed and clothe them. Bill O'Reilly contributed $1 million. Where are all the Progressives? Why aren't they helping voluntarily?

    July 17, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    Why is the article saying they are avoiding violence in their country, when this paper carried the article saying they were coming for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) program? It directs U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to practice prosecutorial discretion towards some individuals (16-31 years of age) who immigrated to the United States as children and are currently in the country illegally. We know why they are hear.

    And another article in this paper said that action by congress is not needed. The law already contains the ability to be modified under exceptional circumstances.

    Obama's waivers caused this mess. I am highly skeptical about anything Obama's administration says about illegal immigration.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    America is not a country of immigrants. Only the first generation of people here are immigrants, their children, grandchildren etc. are native to this country.

    We are a nation of legal immigrants, before 1976 we allowed 500,000 each year, now we are allowing over a million each year. This is the greatest wave of legal immigration this country has ever seen.

    We have to stop this from happening again and again. Amnesty has just caused bigger messes in the past, it's time to enforce our laws fairly. Breaking the law should not move people to the front of the line.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    It interesting that the other article in this paper today talking about the numbers dropping has been completely ignored. Obama got all the blame when the numbers went up will he get any of the credit now that they are going down? of course not.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 17, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    What is missing from this discussion and especially from the right is the recognition that America is a country of immigrants, and I say is not was. Just because you have yours doesn't mean others don't deserve theirs.

    Whether the right likes it or not both Republican and Democratic Presidents have realized this and recognized the differences and complexities of the modern era by enacting immigration reform.

    Obama has done nothing different. His policy is; the Department of Homeland Security will no longer initiate the deportation of illegal immigrants who came to the United States before age 16, have lived here for at least five years, and are in school, are high school graduates or are military veterans in good standing. The immigrants must also be not more than 30 and have clean criminal records.

    Nothing here says you can send your kids here and they will be allowed to stay. If the cartel lies, they lie.

    BTW the first planes of children have been deported and have landed back home...and you want the President to do what else?

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    July 17, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Any parent that sends his or her child here in this kind of circumstance should lose all parental rights. Put these poor children up for adoption right away!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 17, 2014 6:00 p.m.

    "Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the author of the provision in the human trafficking law, said a change in regulations, not the law, could speed the children's return.

    The law already allows HHS and the Homeland Security Department to write regulations to deal with "exceptional circumstances" that would allow officials to return the children more quickly to their home countries, Feinstein said Thursday at a hearing." July 13 DN

    "After weeks of insistence that criminal violence was responsible for the surge of Central American migrants, the U.S. has begun a regional public-relations campaign to fight the widespread belief in Central America that children and families will be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they are caught by the Border Patrol.

    That belief has been fueled both by migrant smugglers seeking more clients, and by calls home from children and families who have been released by the thousands in recent years, with notices to appear in immigration court, because there are no facilities to hold them." June 20 DN

    These children already have parents, many crossed over the border with them. No need to take any in. Amnesty has failed, it's caused the surge.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    July 17, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    This is a mess, either open our borders or close them, don't play these constant games that split families and force people to play hide and seek in the desert with Coyotes and law enforcement.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    The implication, obviously being advanced in this editorial, that enforcement of immigration law is the opposite of compassion, is a despicable lie.

    Equality at the law, and common respect for the rule of law, is the only way to show compassion to everyone. This is why God said to obey, honor, and sustain the law, and to do all things "in wisdom and in order." Surely the Deseret News, owned as it is by the LDS Church (as it repeatedly has pointed out, in previous, immigration-law anti-enforcement editorials), is well aware of this.

    So why then is the Deseret News seeking to inculcate in the minds of its readers the falsehood that enforcement of immigration law is the opposite of compassion and that unless one condones and rewards illegal immigration, he is devoid of love, compassion, and humanity? Shoplifters and bank robbers also are "seeking a better life." Should we look the other way at shoplifting and bank robbery too?

    It is just this sort of propaganda that has made possible this evil enterprise of various, corrupt groups ultimately using these children as pawns in an effort to defeat this nation's immigration laws, for ulterior, selfish ends.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 17, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Democrats don't want to stop this nonsense... because it makes Republicans look bad. And it doesn't matter what happens to the country... just as long as Republicans look bad...

    1:13 p.m. July 17, 2014


    And Republicans stated #1 goal [and actions] for the past 6 years has been to make Obama a 1 term President.

    Those actions have proven out --
    Party ahead of America,
    having a flag the entire time.

    BTW --
    My sons and I all spoke Asian languages, no spanish.
    But -
    How does one go about sponsoring and sheltering these kids?

    Do we have to speak spanish?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Re: "The reason so much of Latin America is a basket case is . . . exploitation . . . by American capital."

    Bull! Having lived all across Latin America, with roots extending into Mexico, I've many times encountered the real reason [most of] Latin America is, indeed, a basket case. It has nothing, whatever, to do with US exploitation, with capital markets, natural resources, arable land, or income inequality.

    Latin America's primary problem is -- Latin Americans. Among Latins, there is so little respect for the rule of law, that anyone who perceives an opportunity to advance personal interests by cheating or stealing [lying is frowned upon, but often becomes necessary because of the other two] will take it.

    Working hard is applauded, but not playing by the rules. If you know how, or are related to someone who can assist you, to avoid, skirt around, or just ignore the rules, Latin culture labels you a chump if you don't.

    Corruption is Latin America's biggest problem. Sadly, it's becoming America's, as well.

    All the Americas need a new birth of honesty, decency, and regard for civilizing rules, especially among our political leaders.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    If we want to "help" then the next question is how much additional taxes or voluntary donations to recognized charities are each of us willing to give (or have taken from us if in the form of a tax)?

    We can, as I understand, sponsor a refugee or illegal alien and be responsible for their needs until citizenship is adjudicated. Charity begins at home, our individual homes and budgets. The costs will be staggering in ESL costs, medical costs - many of these people are disease vectors for TB and other diseases not known here for generations.

    How many of these "children" i.e. teen-agers are gang affiliates being imported to strengthen various criminal enterprises already plaguing our major cities.

    We have a serious infiltration problem and these people are not easily, if ever, assimilated to what used to be a Northern European based historic value/culture system. High levels of ethnic populations can, if not assimilated into the predominate culture, form ethnic ghettos that may be seen as quaint to some but divisive to the "pulling for the common good" goal of a democratic republic.

    "Houston, we have a problem."

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    July 17, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    The state of Utah can help. The aircraft of the Utah Air Guard can transport these childrean back to their home countries and gain training and mission hours in the process.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    Democrats don't want to stop this nonsense... because it makes Republicans look bad. And it doesn't matter what happens to the country... just as long as Republicans look bad...

  • David Lindes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    In all honesty, I'm a little frightened at the reaction some members of our community have had to this crisis. Calls to speed up deportation and send children back to violent countries without a chance to determine whether they qualify for refugee status are devoid of empathy and warmth. We're forgetting our pioneer heritage. We used to know what it was like to run away from violence, to seek safety at all costs, to go from city to city seeking refuge only to be told to leave. But of course now this valley is ours, we've gotten wealthy and fat, and when children come knocking and asking for help, we don't even want to have a conversation about whether we can be of aid. "Just send them all back!". This is shameful. Regardless of your politics, empathy is essential. And empathy requires that we at least duly consider each child's situation before firing up southbound buses and washing our hands of the situation.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    This where church values separate themselves from political values. The Editorial Board definitely understands compassion.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    July 17, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    My it is such a coincidence that all of these drug wars and acts of violence in their home countries suddenly mushroomed out of control right as Obama started signaling that he won't enforce immigration laws.

    I have watched the video's (on youtube) of these people coming out of the desert and getting onto the buses in Texas. They don't even look the least bit stressed. The women are wearing nice clothes and carrying expensive purses. The kids are wearing nice clothes and shoes and laughing and smiling. They look like tourists enjoying a day at Disney land. Seriously. Watch for yourself.

    Sorry DN I'm not buying the "desperate refugee's from war torn, drug ridden, violent countries" story. That is just Obama's propaganda.

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Marxist- If our system is so horrible and causing their problems, why would they want to come here?

    It is very sad the situation that many people in the World live under. For the majority of the population outside the USA, coming here would lead to a better life. That being said, does that mean we are responsible to take in every person win the world who would have a better or safer life here than in their home country? There are many areas of the world that are much more dangerous than Central America, especially in Africa and the Middle East. Should everyone in those areas be given a free trip to the USA to have a better life? Why not? Should we take everyone from Central America who wants to come, or just those that come here illegally?

    What it comes down to is this, it is not our responsibility to let the whole world in who thinks coming here will lead to a better life. We cannot do it. Our policies need to be aimed at helping those countries improve, after we get our own messes in order.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Obama has at his disposal, TODAY, to stop this nonsense.

    Why not freeze bank account deposits of Mexico?

    Why not tell Mexico that UNLESS they stop allowing other foreign nationals to migrate to our southern border we WILL disallow all flights originating from the U.S. to ANYWHERE in Mexico?

    The illegal immigration WON'T STOP until Obama wants it to stop. After that, its' easy!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:17 a.m.


    Re: "You mean imperialist like the USA"...

    No... I mean what I said (not the strawman words you like to put in my mouth). Read what I said. They need to be more committed to "RULE-OF-LAW" (their own laws). I'm pretty sure they don't want drug dealers killing people and corrupt politics to be "legal".

    That's where they need to start... not by becoming more "Imperialistic".


    I always laugh a little when people call America "Imperialist". I always think of the British Empire (now THAT was Imperialist). There were British colonies in North America, but they had many others... Canada, British Isles, India, Australia, Africa (for their slave trade), Egypt (1799), the capture of Java from the Netherlands (1811), the acquisition of Singapore (1819) and Malacca (1824) and the defeat of Burma (1826), etc). Many of these colonies still bear some form of the British flag (AKA Union Jack) today.

    The British Empire is over now... but the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, etc, are what I think of when I think "Imperialists". Not the United States.

    What colonies does the United States have? What countries do we actually control?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Re: ". . . the Obama Administration has dispatched a team of investigators to try and disrupt such criminal enterprises."

    Yeah -- for all the good that'll do.

    The only real solution is to re-assert control over our borders. That's not rocket science. By abrogating and ignoring important responsibilities, in favor of political expedience, the Obama administration created this problem. It's now up to Obama to fix it.

    He has got to release the stranglehold he has on border enforcement, empowering, rather than harassing resources in states and counties that are willing and able to step in and defend themselves from this invasion. Bring in the National Guard, as well, as a temporary fix.

    He should enforce and strengthen existing laws that sanction greedy employers, who are the culprits that create the demand for illegal workers.

    And, he's got to support a quick change to a well-intentioned, but foolish Bush-era law that promises sanctuary to these kids.

    It's not hard. Obama has the solutions at hand. He should stop thinking like a Democrat and start thinking like an American.

  • no fit in SG St.George, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    Should there be a major war in the Middle East, should Israel's citizens be allowed to immigrate to the United States and become citizens?
    Are only "some people" able to come to America in large groups?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Its' hard to understand all the racism on behalf of commenters here today.

    They seem to ONLY want to allow persons of hispanic heritage to immigrate to the U.S.

    What about the 3 or 4 million Somalians who would like to claim "refugee" status?, or the million or so Bosnians? Don't they deserve the same shot at citizenship? How about the million of Syrians who have been displaced? Should we let them ALL claim "refugee" status?
    Why not?

    Last week a couple of Congresspersons visited Guatemala and debunked the myth of "refugee". I think (hope)that pretty much everyone knows that the latest wave of illegal immigrant trespassers are actually winding up on our southern border because "coyotes" are urging them to come to the U.S. as our guests. For a "nominal" fee of course, (5-7k)the coyotes have convinced them that the U.S. will provide them housing, room and board, for, well......pretty much as long as they want.

    Of course, the Obama administration isn't doing much to dispel that myth.
    IF things are so bad in central america, WHY hasn't this administration recalled their ambassadors and embassy staff?

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Perhaps we need to take a look at how effective past refugees/immigrants have been. Let's take Mexico for example.
    We have 11.4 million Mexican nationals living in the USA.
    Add to that 7 million illegal aliens from Mexico.
    They send home about $2 Billion in remittances EVERY MONTH.
    How has that impacted the violence in Mexico? How has that deterred illegal immigration from Mexico?
    Is this what you want?
    Not me. Let's start enforcing our immigration laws.
    This latest issue at the border is merely an microcosm of the overall immigration program. Too many loopholes and not enough enforcement. And worst of all, politicians pandering for votes and elites who are citizens of the world looking for us to provide cheap labor and government benefits.
    I refuse to allow progressives to give away our country.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    This is not a complex issue. Unfortunately, three entities want open borders and amnesty: the Democratic Party, businesses that employ illegals, and churches. Their reasons are all the same: gain.

    And it's the selfishness of these three groups that have caused this crisis. As long as they get what they want, they're happy, regardless of the impact on our country and its citizens. That's the reason no border has been put in place, laws aren't enforced, and why there's this never ending call for the reform of our immigration laws.

    And trying to imply a holier cause is incredibly manipulative and offensive to any thinking person. Where's the compassion for the millions of citizens who have lost their jobs to cheap illegal immigrants? That's right, there isn't any.

    Did the editors ignore the fact that 59% of Americans want these children shipped back and only 27% believe efforts should be made for them to stay here?

    Why don't the editors show their real, sincere compassion by letting illegals have their jobs, wealth, positions, homes, and identities? Then I might believe them. Until then, it's nothing but propaganda.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    RE 2bits "We need to work with those countries to help make them more like the USA."

    You mean imperialist like the USA? That might help them, but they just don't have the appropriate muscle. The reason so much of Latin America is a basket case is in part due to the exploitation of these countries by American capital.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:11 a.m.


    I'm not saying we don't take in refugees. I'm just saying, "understand the cost".

    Refugees involved in crime doesn't only happen in Utah. It happens in literal every State in the United States. Especially border States. There are organized crime groups that make their whole living off providing fake IDs and documentation, or stealing identities for people who need fake ID to work and function in the USA. There are groups that seek out refugees and illegal residents who can't find work and offer them HUGE money to help them with their business (just selling herbs, etc). They know they won't turn their bosses in... because that would get THEM deported...

    There are just a TON of problems that bread of this problem (people coming to America illegally).

    If you want to talk solutions... the solution is not taking them all in.

    The solution has to start where they live. We need to work with those countries to help make them more like the USA... instead of their people just fleeing to the USA.

    They need to become a country committed to "Rule-of-law" and most of their problems go away.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    @E Sam
    Let the poliicans and the partisans point fingers, assess blame and solve little. At the end of the day, there are children who need to eat and have shelter. You're offering "to take 4" is so very inspiring. While some protest and hold posters telling the children to go home you open your heart and your home. Wow! We need to have the same discussion in our house.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    It's big hearted to take in refugees, but there IS a cost to society. And that cost is sometimes hard to bear. Child refugees often have traumatic scars from what they experienced in their home-land, which are sometimes expanded and transferred to the people in their new land when they struggle to speak the language, fit in, earn a living like the affluent people around them. Those issues sometimes surface in violent ways.


    Sulejman Talović (a refugee whose family moved to the United States from Bosnia). Had anger issues and joined the KKK. At age 18 killed five and wounded four at Trolley Square.

    Esar Met (refugee from Burma), kidnapped and killed a 7-year-old girl. Took 6 years to even START the trail. Now we are housing him and feeding him for life at the point of the mountain.

    When I look at the news paper each day, it just shocks me how many of the high speed chases, hit and run accidents, gangs, drug bands, and other crime involves refugees from other countries.

    There is a cost. Not always to you... but to somebody...


  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    Re: Prelax "They are coming here for amnesty, not the violence and poverty. They are not refugees. "

    But some of them clearly are refugees, particularly those from Honduras where the narco-cartels have taken over. I commend the Deseret News for this thoughtful editorial.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Yes, we should help – reunite them with their families back in their home countries

    Yes, tough times DO define a person’s character. The illegals show when times are tough, they are going to go where they can get someone else to take care of them, rather than work to improve the situation where they are. Trying to sneak in and get amnesty reveals A LOT about their character.

    Red Corvette,
    So the LDS church is responsible for all the world’s poor? The church DOES take care of its own wherever they are, and many who are not yet their own.

    E Sam,
    You’d rather they die trying to cross the desert or be forced into sexual slavery trying to get here when they see even more amnesty? Creating a magnet that many die while they are pulled to it is NOT very compassionate.

    By sending them back, we are sending a message that will discourage others from taking that very dangerous journey.

    Old man,
    There was a 2012 BO executive order that plays a large part in this and we already know BO ignores laws he does not like – even parts of Obamacare

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 17, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Thank you for this thoughful and nonpartisan editorial!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Obama's "deferred action amnesty plan??????"

    Try again. The real name of the plan that prevents Obama from taking action now is the "Bush deferred action amnesty plan."

    But the truth is so darned inconvenient isn't it?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    We cannot, cannot send these children back. The murder rate in the U.S. is about 4.7 per 100,000. In Honduras, it's 173. How can we send kids back to that level of violence? My daughter and I were talking about this. We'll take four.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    I totally agree. The world already knows that we don't enforce our own immigration laws and loopholes abound for illegals to stay here and maybe get personalized amnesty along the way.
    The world already knows "who we really are." We are patsies creating magnets for people to walk through the desert and die trying to get here.
    This is not a new situation. It has been decades in the making.
    When are we going to establish our own sovereignty and STOP these manufactured humanitarian crises?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Tough times and challenges don't build or define's one charecter, they reveal it. How we handle this crisis as a country tells ourself and the world who we really are.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    The amnesty advocates such as the DN would be overjoyed for these illegals to gain Refugee status. That would be a back door amnesty. In addition to being able to stay we would then be compelled to pay them benefits. They brutal our country and we pay them to do it. There is no justification for Refugee status to be granted. Like the old trail boss would say Head em up and move em out.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    They are NOT refugees. Refugees come from places like Syria, Somalia and Ivory Coast.
    A recent Border Patrol survey of those captured reveals that they are coming here because they know we don't enforce our immigration laws and they can get in line for Obama's deferred action amnesty program. 94% of them said that's why they came here.
    If we don't push them back home what do you think will happen? Will more come if they know the outcome of this first wave?
    Let's start making the connection that our lack of enforcement is CAUSING people to die trying to get here. We need to deter people, not encourage them.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:35 a.m.

    We don't need to modify the law, the Obama administration already has the power to modify the laws.

    They are coming here for amnesty, not the violence and poverty. They are not refugees. There are no travel advisories, nor are churches pulling out their missionaries. People outside of the United States must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the United States border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.

    They belong back home with their parents.