What do the charges and arrests say about Utah?

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  • PG Business Owner PG, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    I always laugh when I hear Utah democrats complaining about Utah's "one party" system, as if it were the republicans' job to get more democrats elected! Fact is, if Utah is a "one party" system, it is because the democrats have failed to present a philosophy, a message, and candidates that appeal to more than a small minority of Utahns. Maybe Utah would be better off with more political balance. So, I say to Utah democrats, Shape up. Get your act together. Stop being the party nobody wants. Start promoting good ideas. Let go of tired old philosophies that Utahns won't embrace. Start reflecting Utah values. Then you will start winning elections and we will have balance. But, as long as you embrace minority views, you'll be the minority party.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Bob K
    if pleasing the old conservative campaign donors is all it takes, why have these guys been arrested? The arrest proves just the opposite of your accusation.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 16, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    When the perception is given that pleasing the lds and old, conservative campaign donors is the main qualification for office, you get a bunch of pleasers, not doers.

    And since being in office mainly to please encourages falseness, even lying, you get a bunch of crooks and knaves.

    People who really know how to get things done apparently do not win in Utah recently

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    So candidates can accept unlimited cash donations? And yet those people who are in favor of the "neighborhood caucus system only" use the argument that they are needed because if we were to all for a direct primary system that only the rich could be candidates? Seems to me that that is what we already have here in our state. Well funded incumbents who have had to only play to a small group of citizens. Interesting.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Re: "It says that we have corrupt people here as much as any other place."

    Well, when you figure that the last several mayors of a number of rust-belt cities have all left office to serve prison sentences, that more than one secretary of state countenances and enables vote-rigging and election fraud, that several mayor/police-chief combinations in California somehow ended up with ironclad, million-dollar pension contracts, or that the President of the United States, aided and abetted by his Attorney General, steadfastly, even proudly, refuses to perform his duty to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed," it'd be hard to prove we have corruption here "as much as any other place."

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    It says that we have corrupt people here as much as any other place.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    What do the charges and arrests say about Utah?

    It says "we're like every other State". We have some people with lots of integrity, and some people with not so much integrity (just like everywhere else).

    The sooner people realize that Utah is just like anywhere else, and that Mormons a just like everybody else, and Republicans are just like everybody else.... the sooner we can ALL get back in touch with reality.

    When you think YOUR party is perfect, or people in YOUR church don't make mistakes... you are not dealing with reality. And that includes Democrats BTW.

  • Manny Saint George, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    "What do the charges and arrests say about Utah" ?
    Well first of all, it says that we don't tolerate crime (allegedly) at any level in our state regardless of who it is.
    Second, I hope it sends a message to other politicians and folks of authority in our state that you will be arrested if investigations show enough evidence of wrongdoing.
    As a resident of this state, I expect the leaders of this state to conduct themselves with a high level of honesty and integrity at all times. Maybe this action will make others squirm a little and possibly hinder them from running again or seek an early retirement.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    These arrests will have no impact on how I vote in 2016 for AG. Stormont has already pledged to violate the oath of office, so I know I cannot vote for him.

    ‘House Minority Assistant Whip Rebecca Chavez-Houck, D-Salt Lake, said the House investigation couldn't have happened without Republicans who "were really focused on the integrity of the institution and the integrity of public office."’

    Even local dems know the local GOP is interested in rooting out corruption, unlike the national dem party. The only reason the injustice department did not file these charges following their investigation is they knew it would lead to harry reid.

    If these guys are found guilty, I hope they get what's coming to them. They should have known better than to hang around with someone with such a poor reputation as jeremy johnson.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    it shows that this had better not be a political targeting by a liberal DA, or this will be the last Liberal Elected in this state for a long time!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    the arrests say that no matter who you are or what group you belong to you are not above reproach. It also says that some are so confident they feel above the law.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    We have a two party system in Utah. One of them is having the party while the other keeps trying to crash it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    If you talk the conservative talk and get into office, the old boy network is lucrative.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    81Ute said: @Atlas Smashed @Santa Monica, CA
    "What do you mean by 'we', Californian?"

    Atlas means that "we" are not in a bubble, and your very attack on their location is part of the "Culture" that creates the problem. "You outsiders keep out of our "good ol' boy system."

    This didn't just happen it's been happening, part of the pay to play that all but 3 other states have outlawed, rightfully.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    Re: "'I think the real message politically is we need a two-party system . . . ,' Utah Democratic Party Chairman Peter Corroon said."

    Of course we need a valid second party in Utah. But so long as Utah Democrats insist on being a vote-buying, anti-jobs, anti-American party, representing only the basest, most brazen special interests, the likes of: the entitlement industry; the victimization industry; the abortion industry; the crony-capitalist, not-ready-for-primetime wing of the energy industry; the anti-human environmental industry, and the libertine "hospitality" industry; even people like me -- a lifelong, hereditary Democrat -- will continue to be forced to vote for people outside the Party, who have the interest of real people, real Americans, and real America, at heart.

    It's up to Corroon and his ilk to wake up and smell the Postum. If the Utah Democratic Party remakes itself into the party of Harry Truman, rather than that of Harry Reid, it may be able to make itself relevant again.

    If not -- well, there's always that whining and wandering in the desert tactic that has characterized us for so long.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    @Atlas Smashed
    @Santa Monica, CA

    What do you mean by 'we', Californian?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 12:59 a.m.

    If found guilty, it does show the dangers of one party domination.

    And it also means we should expect our highest law enforcement officers not to be meeting with on-line poker operators or pay-day loan persons. There are too many snakes in these fields and when you hang out with snakes you can be bitten.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 15, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    I think for teachers it is $10 but why quibble when our elected people can get anything...

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    July 15, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    It means that we are in dire need of campaign finance reform.

    We are only 1 of 3 states that allow unlimited campaign donations.

    No longer should that be.

    We need strict rules and regulations. Those being investigated by the AG should never be able to give house boats or other gifts to our AGs.

    Donations, if they cannot be eliminated must be strongly regulated. Teachers cannot accept gifts worth more than $25 dollars. Why should our elected officials be any different?