BrioAre you really questioning the good done by the LDS church, the
Catholic church, the World Health Organization, Feed the Children, Bread for the
World, Goodwill, the Salvation Army, the Red Cross and many others? Do they not
serve in more silence? I personally graduated form UCLA and consider
it one of the country's finest universities and my own experience there was
used as a basis for my statement. I have friends who graduated from Harvard,
Stanford, Yale and Penn none of whom tout their ACT score for entry but rather
the accomplishments of their education upon leaving. I know of many
who have rendered many hours of public service and Pro Bono work on behalf of
others in the last fifty years. I recognized in my comment that BYU is
responsible for many good acts, I question the motive behind such articles not
the good being done.
Twin Lights, “Alumni relations are very good, considering:In
the 1970s, several schools protested against BYU, claiming it was a racist
organization — Stanford and San José State both refusing to play the
university in sports. In 1970, the University of Arizona sent a
“fact-finding committee” to determine if BYU was racist, finding
that “rhetoric had escalated too far” with regards to racism and the
Western Athletic Conference. The BYU newspaper The Daily Universe reported that
Arizona's committee determined that BYU was not racist, but was an
“isolated institution whose members simply do not relate to or understand
black people.” BYU football players were met by 75 picketers demonstrating
against racism at BYU when they played Arizona a week after the report
Silent Lurker, While an IVY league school may be concerned with the
growth a student has experienced once that student has been admitted, that
student will not have been admitted into school unless their ACT score warrents
admission, among other things. Low ACT score-No Harvard degree. You
can't explain away the U's low ACT's as compared to they Y's
by suggesting that IVY league schools don't care about them.
@ekuteAnd just like Chris B says that you wouldn't know about
it if utah didn't publicize it, the same goes for BYU.You think
that everything is publicized, but just like Chris B said, the only things you
have heard of are the things that are made public. You have no idea of the
things that aren't.Go ahead and tell me something utah did
secretly that the public never knew about. See where I'm going with
this?Every school does things that the public doesn't know
about. And we don't know what those things are, because we don't know
Many of the BYU fans who have commented here seem to be smug that BYU is better
than anyone else because of this. Many of the U of Y fans seem
offended that DesNews would dis them by reporting something good about BYU.Can't we all just appreciate the good when it is pointed out,
regardless of where it comes from, and NOT think that the things that are
mentioned are somehow better than the ones that are not?
I'm proud to be a BYU Alum. It wasn't easy academically. I can't
imagine being a BYU athlete and all the responsibilities with it, getting
through academics (though I'm sure there are resources), and adhering to
the honor code as well. Oh, and being GOOD at your specialty athletically. Sure, there are exceptions, but it makes me proud of BYU and their commitment
to attract the best PEOPLE first and foremost.
Can't the fact that these college kids do something good just stand on
it's own merit without it turning into a UofU oriented putdown ? Clearly
the DN acts as a beat writer for all things BYU given its ownership. Trolling
around mocking all things associated with BYU, and for whatever reason possible
does not reflect well on the UofU.
@ Utah RulesBravo for saying that! Any good BYU or Utah fans out
there reading this garbage on these comments boards need to stand up against all
this bickering from both sides. The rivalry doesn't have to be this way.
Quite frankly I'm embarrassed to be part of this rivalry when I hear stuff
like this. Give it a rest.
Chris and Silent,Give it a rest. You make the rest of us look like
jerks.I have worked at BYU and the U of U and they are both great
universities. Just because Deseret News wrote an article on something you hate
does not give you the right to stir up anger. Please stop the hatred and let BYU
be BYU and Utah be Utah.
Doesn't it get tiring to hate all the time? The vast majority of BYU and
Utah fans are good, decent, and reasonable fans. They don't spend their
entire time commenting hate about articles that are bringing in something
positive outside of sports performance on the field or court. We should all
appreciate good service without looking beyond what's there just because
you don't like that institution. Basically what I'm trying to say is
Silent,And no one has suggested that Ivy Leagues aren't more
concerned about what someone does after. You are the one who suggested ACT means
nothing, which of course, is nonsense. It was just a poor job at deflecting the
attention from the very wide gap brought up between average ACT scores for BYU
and Utah students. And just because you don't want to hear it, I'll
repeat it:BYU 29Utah 22
@ Silent Lurker:If, as you claim, there are many big organizations
that render substantial service in silence, then how do you know more about such
things than the rest of the public... especially if all that service is done
silently?Also, how exactly is it that you personally know what Ivy
League schools are most concerned with regarding knowledge and integrity? What
specifically qualifies you to represent their acclaimed priorities in those
areas... or are you just once again making up something that sounds good?Is it really so difficult to simply acknowledge the goodness of public
service... any public service, regardless of its source? The fact that volunteer
work is being rendered is truly what's important here. It's an out-of-skew ego issue to turn such things into a competition...
(i.e., my school renders more service than your school, etc.). Based on some of
the above comments, it appears time for a reality check.
@ Chris B:If you are representative of a typical U supporter, then
it's probably the other way around. At the level you've beaten the
drum of any and/or all Ute accomplishments, it's most likely that any
and/or all of that school's accomplishments are quite exaggerated.
Especially in comparison to other universities in the area. I've still not been able to determine why you and a few other Ute
supporters (such as Silent Lurker) are almost always the first to jump on and
comment about every article concerning BYU. That level of fixation (obsession)
is somewhat difficult to understand. @ Silent Lurker:Are
there actually articles about BYU's accomplishments every day as you claim,
or is that another of your exaggerations? What daily articles have there been
this past week? I'd honestly like some verification to your rhetorical
claims. There's a simple solution to your issue. Why don't
you and Chris B just not read anything in the paper with BYU in the title? It
would then be one less thing for you two to complain about on a regular basis.
You and all of us would then be happier.
@Cody Cougar and Sports Are GreatPoor form to bring up ACT scores in
an article like this. It has no bearing to the conversation and it wasn't
even a good comeback at that. All you did was insult a wonderful student body
that is seeking higher learning. Does that make you feel bigger than Chris B?
Feel happy that you just insulted the merit of the school attended by J. Willard
Marriot, Lavell Edwards (Master's Degree), and Thomas Monson. Let's just get along and realize that both BYU and the UofU (and just
about every other school) do good for their respective communities.
Sports Are GreatI would also point out that Ivy League schools are
more concerned with how much knowledge you gained and what level of integrity
you leave with than the ACT score you entered with.
Taysom4HeismanYes it is.
@Chris B"And yet you still haven't answered how you would
know if Utah did something and didn't publicize it?"I would
like to ask you the very same question about BYU. Not everything we do is
Chris B"And yet you still haven't answered how you would
know if Utah did something and didn't publicize it? How are you certain of
every service event Utah has done and that you're so certain every event it
publicized afterwards?"It's because they didn't. I get
stuff from ASU and NAU all the time touting the Tillman run, scholarship needs
and how the students perform community service, including what they did. If I
didn't get those types of literature, I'd assume they were doing
nothing, which is why EVERY college touts their wares.
Silent Lurker,You're right, ACT means nothing. Unless of
course one is measuring work ethic and intelligence, in which case, the Ivy
League schools would disagree with you.
Cody CougarIt's not how you enter a University or College but
with what knowledge and character you leave it with. ATC scores mean nothing.
Twin LightsThere are many very large organizations that serve in
silence. The LDS church silently does much more that BYU and makes very little
of it public. I have often wondered if BYU has a PR department tasked with
having at least one article (often sports related) ready on a daily basis for
the local media. I am not questioning that there is good being done but it does
seem as though it might be being done for recognition and not true christian
compassionate service. The constant band beating by BYU makes it apear as though
they are trying skew public opinion about BYU. I believe BYU is a fine
institution and preforms a very worthy role of service but perhaps could do so
with little less seeking of acknowledgement for their good works.
Twin,And yet you still haven't answered how you would know if
Utah did something and didn't publicize it? How are you certain of every
service event Utah has done and that you're so certain every event it
publicized afterwards?Crickets, crickets
While I admire the athletes doing things the right way and serving their
community, the claim that BYU is a "missionary tool" for the LDS church
is not true. For all of the service done by these no name athletes at speaking
engagements, etc., none of it will make up for the animosity sparked by Max
Hall's hate-filled rant, the Branden Davie's scandel and BYU's
selective Honor code enforcement which has been proven to disproportionately
target minorities, and the gang rape scandal under Crouton. The LDS Church needs
to realize that athletics and religion don't mix. I know many more people
who have been turned off by Mormons as a result of interactions with BYU
athletes and fans than have been turned on by service, good sportmanship, etc.
Chris B,Not an issue with Utah or any other school. But the six
colleges my immediate family has attended (a mix of small, large, public,
private, and religious) and the several others for my sister's family never
hold back. They take every chance to let their alumni (donors) know the
positives for the school. If the U is not doing this, they may need a new
Alumni relations person.
Chris B.I have one absolutely mouth-stuffing statistic for you.Average ACT of entering Freshman:BYU 29UU 22And all your smack will never compensate for that.
Twin,How would you know if the University of Utah did something and
didn't need to publicize how great we are?
Chris B,Au contraire. No university I know of leaves any good work
unreported. State, private, religious. All of them.
"No other university reports anything of the magnitude or scale of these
athletes."That's why I love the University of Utah Pac 12
utes. We are the classiest university in the state and don't need to tell
everyone about all the great things we do and all the great people(alum,
students, athletes) we have. We just do it.
I, too, like to hear about the positive things people do with their lives. Keep
There are haters out there regarding BYU everything. Nothing can ever utter
from their anonymous keyboards that is positive about BYU. Regardless of all
that hate, this is really what BYU is all about and why I love BYU. It's
genuine and it's more than sports. We don't need the mighty Pac12 for
this. Congrats to all of the athletes at BYU for taking on a cause bigger than
themselves and for losing themselves in the service of others. You are all
champions to me.I'm sure all of the Utah schools have service
programs in place and I salute any institution for doing it. I'm proud to
support a school that makes it a focus. In the end, it will count for way more
than wins and losses.Thanks for the article. Go BYU!
Note to DN staff: Almost everyone does some volunteer work or Pro Bono work on a
regular basis. The LDS church has long been an advocate of volunteerism and
community service. Do we really need an article everyday about how wonderful BYU
is? If it isn't their prowess against inferior sports opponents it's
their compassion and volunteer work. Enough already! Your daily articles are
skewing the true perspective of the good being done.