Utah Jazz almost on the clock to match Gordon Hayward's contract

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  • jazzer St. George, UT
    July 14, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    I hope some of these Jazz fans realize that we can't just sign whoever we want (Turner etc). These players actually have to want to play in Utah. In order to get players to come to Utah, we have to over pay them. Gordon does make too much money now, but why not pay him. We have no other options. Ya sure, start a rookie and wait till he devolops to be put in the same situation 4 years from now. Ya not worth it. Great signing!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    Hayward is more valuable than most of you think, and the Jazz know it and will match the offer and it is the right thing to do. Ignorance is bliss and a lot of the comments show ignorance.
    Evan Turner is a bust and not nearly as good as his draft position would indicate, that is why he is being traded and released, he will get picked up but he's not that good. Deng was good but is showing signs of being past his prime. The Jazz just need to keep on their path and it will work out , I think they know more than these arm chair GM's making comments on this article.

  • Hugh G. Hater Swat Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    This kid is not worth max money.

    As vitaman said he had his chance to prove it after the end of last season
    when Lindsey said "This is Gordon's team". How did that work out?

    Do all of you who want this to happen think that if he gets max money he will
    magically start producing?

    Lets hope the young guns get minutes forget this guy.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 11, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    I am beginning to think this is a crummy deal. Get Williams back, and Turner or Ariza. Spend a little money to upgrade Burks and Kanter's contracts. Even if Hayward turns out to be better then the experts think, he is in the East where he can show how good he is for three years then apply the greed factor all over again.

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    July 10, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    good player, not a great player, say goodbye!

  • SD_UtahUter San Diego, CA
    July 10, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    It looks like the only real comparable option to Hayward, Chandler Parsons, is now off the table (and he is getting Max also from Mavs) so I think you really have to match now. I think a lot of his shooting inconsistencies and turnovers last year were a result of Corbin's inept offensive system (look at all of the other Jazz players thriving after they left, especially Millsap/Carroll in Atlanta). I think with Snyder's pick 'n roll system and with having Exum will take a lot of pressure of Hayward, and his numbers should go up. He's got the full set of skills. The Jazz had a chance to sign him at $13mil/year and lost the gamble so it will unfortunately cost them a few more million, but they have Cap room for a few years and can still sign Kanter/Burks. You can't let another asset get away for nothing. All of the other free agent options, even if they are cheaper, are..Meh.. (Deng, Turner, Ariza, Young). This is not another AK situation (only 4 years with increasing Cap)

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 10, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Rodney Hood was a great draft choice. The fact that both Coach Snyder and Hood have Duke connections is interesting. Unfortunately, as much as I like Hayward, I believe that Hood has more potential than he does. It would be a mistake to sign him for all of that money. Actually, it would be another AK as has been mentioned in other comments. As Aretha Franklin sang in "The Blues Brothers", "you better think about it".

  • VitaMan Park City, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    Anyone who thinks we should match needs to go back and read Brad Rock's article containing the analysis of the SUU Professor on comparative worth. Gordon had his chance to be a max money guy. He could not handle it. My experience in buying other businesses had been that sometimes the best deal you make may be the one you walk away from. It is not that we can't afford this today. It is what impact it has on the future of the team. We have been down this road before and most local sports reporters thought we needed to do the same thing with AK. It was a huge mistake. It was also one we could not trade our way out of. When performance does not match compensation who wants to take that headache for you. It is not the only time we have done it either. Have we all forgotten Ostertag. Keep the money and let Dennis Lindsey prove he can build a team that can compete.

    Take this opportunity to stick it back to Jordan.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    July 10, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    how many people with this working would come back to Utah to coach a kids clinic? Jazz will match as they should. The real question is who else could the Jazz get. Nobody worth anything. As for the lottery, I've had all of it I want.

    This team will win and all you boo birds can sit on a sharp fence. Reggie is tweeting about Stephenson but nobody except Bird is willing to put up with him besides the 10 or 11 million that Bird offered him is not exactly chicken feed.

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    July 10, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    Let him go. If this happens, the Jazz will have one less team in the running for Burks next year. If the Jazz match this offer, you better believe teams will be handing out max offers for Kanter and Burks just to mess with the Jazz.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Some stats/trends:

    Haywards effective field goal percentage was just 45.4 percent last season. Low.

    Per Synergy Sports, he scored 0.88 of a point per possession in 2013-14, = 281st in the league.

    He can grab rebounds, but won just 23.3 percent of contested rebounds (in other words, rebounds with an opponent within 3.5 feet). And his overall defense isn’t great — opposing teams scored 111.9 points per 100 possessions when he was on the court for Utah last season and 109.5 when he was off. Horrid!!

    Opposing players posting up Hayward shot 54.2 percent, and 43.4 percent when using a pick-and-roll against him.

    Here is how Hayward stacks up to the best of the first 10 selections in the 2010 NBA draft. Of those, Paul George, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors are making the amount of money similar to Hayward. All have accumulated more Win Shares since draft day.

    Paul George 28.2
    Greg Monroe 25.4
    John Wall 18.2
    DeMarcus Cousins 17.6
    Derrick Favors 15.4
    Gordon Hayward 15.1
    Aminu 8.2
    Evan Turner 8.2

  • General Alpine, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    I suggest the Jazz play him, let him get some good stats and then trade him for a journeyman small forward and some really good draft picks next year.

    I still don't understand why they let Millsap go. They say they need a stretch 4 and Millsap had developed into that. They let him go with nothing in return.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Can we say Adam Morrison all over again!!! Let Charlotte have him. Go get Deng and Evan Turner. Hayward will never be the go-to guy. He is a role player.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    There is only a small handful of players in the NBA that their team management should be willing to match any offer for. These are the elite, all-star type players. The ones who can carry a franchise and take them to new heights.

    Unfortunately, Hayward doesn't fit that description. He is a good player, no doubt. But certainly not an elite, top-tier player. His shooting percentage has dropped each and every year he's been with the Jazz. That's not a good omen or anything to get excited about.

    Good management of any growing company will always assess each situation and do the prudent thing. It would definitely not be prudent to match this way-overpaid offer Hayward currently has. Michael Jordan has a history or making bad team decisions.

    The vast majority of fans on these comment boards are in agreement with this opinion and think we should NOT match. There is always the possibility he might turn his career around and end up an all-start. But based on what he's shown so far, that isn't likely.

    Get the best bang for the buck, Dennis. Not this.

  • ed Los Olivos, CA
    July 10, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    Jazz will match this offer and in three years, it will look like a bargain compared to what other free agents are getting. It is about time that the Jazz sent a message to other team owners that this is not a farm team for others to harvest, whenever they want a particular player. I will be glad to see Hayward back, with new team-mates, a new coach, and one more year's experience. What is his value? It is whatever somebody else is willing to pay him. It is basic economics.

  • Localmotion Arlington, VA
    July 10, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Okay so we could get Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu for less than Hayward and still have plenty of cap space for guys like Trevor Ariza, Greg Monroe, Nick Young and our own free agents. That would make a heck of a team.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Michael Jordan appears to still be calling the shots for the Charlotte Hornets on personnel decisions. I think it is a worldwide consensus that Jordan has shown he has terrible judgment in making personnel decisions. Do the Jazz really want Michael Jordan to be dictating how much they should be paying Gordon Hayward for the next four years and under what conditions?

    If the Jazz match Hayward's offer, it's almost the same as if they hired Michael Jordan to be their GM on that particular decision. Heaven forbid!!

  • Northstar Logan, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    Hey, the Jazz just drafted Rodney Hood at small forward.

    I think this is a great opportunity for Rodney Hood to join the young cadre as the starting small forward.

    Let Gordon go. Don't over-pay/over-commit.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    July 10, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    For less money, the Jazz could sign Marvin Williams and Evan Turner--who along with Rodney Hood should be able to replace the production of Gordon Hayward(on more tradeable deals). Why would you want to match someone who has shown he is not a team player by the RFA deal he has signed. If Hayward really wanted to be a part of the Jazz future, he would have allowed the Jazz to sign him for a deal with the same money, but without the "poison pill" elements (trade kicker and the fourth year player option).

    Perhaps the Jazz think he can become a star. If so, I guess it may be worth it to match. However, I am reticent to trust the Jazz judgment on that issue, because they have already thoroughly botched the re-signing of Gordon Hayward. It's their job to forecast what kind of offer Hayward may receive in RFA, based on who else will be on the market, and how many teams will have cap space--which they obviously miscalculated. Based on track record, why would I trust their judgment on whether Hayward will become a star.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    July 10, 2014 2:52 a.m.

    Millsap and Jefferson getting paid ?

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    July 10, 2014 2:49 a.m.

    What's the status of Jeremy Evans ?

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 10, 2014 1:24 a.m.

    Go get Deng.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    July 9, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    Unless they can get great players in return which is doubtful, they have to match this contract. They cannot field a $30MM roster, the league would not allow it.

  • HarleyHog Layton, UT
    July 9, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    What does that guy say on Shark tank? "Stop the insanity!!".

    I like Gordon and think he is really an above average player but I think I would think twice on this. We are really talking insane money. How about we pick up a cheaper young free agent, a few more expiring contracts for assets again, play the young guys and get ready to rock and roll in 2015 or 2016. I would like one more dip in the lottery pot.

    Jazz championship elimination fever "catch it"

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    I like Gordon however, he is not worth this money. And soon all Jazz fans will talk about how he is another AK.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    The 15% trade option and the 4th year player option, plus the max contract, is something the Jazz management should look at very carefully. You can make a trade if a player isn't helping your team like you thought he would. But with this 15%, it makes it more costly. And the 4th year player option is good for the player but not particularly for the team, if they want to get rid of him after 3 years. He can just opt in, if he doesn't get something better, for example, Raja Bell. I do not think I would match this bad contract. Hopefully, the Jazz will examine it very carefully and weigh all of the options.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    Don't do it.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:10 p.m.

    Looks like Parsons is out of the running - he just accepted an offer sheet.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    July 9, 2014 10:02 p.m.

    This is one of the reasons I stopped spending much time on basketball, and sports in general. Things are so out of whack when a Hayward gets a max deal. Very good player, but the vast majority of athletes are grossly overpaid. I came to realize that rooting for people I don't know, and never will, do something so silly as put a ball through a hoop, or in a cup, or through a set of goal posts, is just a complete waste of time.