" Licenses to carry a concealed weapon were considered valid identification
while those issued by universities and Medicare were not."That
is because the processes of getting some kind of concealed weapon permit are
probably more thorough than ID-processes of Medicare or universities. For
Medicare, probably all you need is a Social Security Number and something that
suggests you are past a certain age -- acquired by fair means or foul. You
don't need to be a citizen (necessarily), or in any way qualified to vote.
Universities are even more notorious in that they are full of academics who
don't believe in borders anyway, and whose principle Principle is
"diversity" at all costs.For some kind of CFP/CCP, you must
answer many questions about your mental health, past criminality, liens,
injunctions, etc., through queries against many law enforcement databases. That
is why, statistically, concealed permit holders have a better social record than
the public at large or even law enforcement officers. If you have a permit, you
can be reasonably sure the person is who they say they are, and are qualified to
do what they propose to do (i.e., vote in a specific district).
Esquire: "Answer me this: Why would anyone who believes in our system of
government, who loves America, want to prevent our citizens from voting?"As far as I can tell, no one is trying to prevent CITIZENS from voting
ONCE in their voting district. All the efforts to check some form of ID are
centered around preventing people who are 1) not citizens; are 2) not a
constituent of the person they are voting for; or 3) want to vote several times.
These things are all fraud and undermine our voting process.The
question really is: Why would anyone who believes in our system of government,
who loves America, want to allow fraudulent voting to happen?
@Esquire:Because all animals are equal, but some are more equal than
Answer me this: Why would anyone who believes in our system of government, who
loves America, want to prevent our citizens from voting? I
don't want rationalizations. Why shouldn't we try to find ways for
every adult to vote?I think the answer to the question gets to the
heart of the issue.
@chilly:Funny how minority voters are "scared to the polls"
while good white folks are just doing their civic duty.
I have a feeling that those who believe that there is not a lot of voter fraud
so there is no need for any kind of voter ID, are also the ones who believe that
there was not a "smidgen of corruption" at the IRS and that all those
emails really did disappear because of a hard drive crash.That is
the big difference between conservatives and liberals. If the tea party was
guilty of a lot of voter fraud, most conservatives would still support voter ID
laws that would prevent that from happening. Liberals tend to ignore laws or
regulations and excuse violations when it suits their political ends.
"Nothing to see here...move along."
@lost in DCYou do know the difference between attacking the person asking
the question, restating or expanding on your claims and actually suppling
evidence to support your claims right? Care to try again?
Re: "Of course, we still harbor powerful white supremacist groups and plenty
of overt racism."Yeah, though today's overt racism is most
often seen in black-on-white violence [and the accompanying media, political,
and police information blackouts], racist low expectations [and accompanying
hollow promises of mostly-white, liberal, would-be "saviors"],
disingenuous race baiting [again, by mostly white, liberal, would-be
"saviors"], and that rigidly-enforced sacrament of rigidly-enforced
liberal orthodoxy, white self-hate.Racial and ethnic minorities --
particularly our families -- have suffered more damaging depredation at the
hands of would-be liberal "saviors" since the '60s, than in the
hundreds of years before that. Jim Crow wreaked havoc on individuals, but it
took the Great Society and the liberal welfare/nanny state to destroy
families.The minority family, that refuge from Jim Crow degradation,
has been largely destroyed for a whole generation. Its loss can never be made up
by guilt-ridden liberals/libertines.
"Of course, we still harbor ... plenty of overt racism. Given changing
national sentiments, however, it has largely gone undercover."-------Yes, sadly, there remains many cases of overt and very
visible racism. Worst of all, many of the most egregious examples are
perpetrated by the government itself. In fact, of all the in-your-face examples
of racism/sexism/misc. isms/etc., some of the most obvious can be found on job
application forms, census forms, government web sites, etc. It's all over
the place.We even have organizations like the NAACP, the "Black
Congressional Caucus", National Organization for Women (NOW), La Raza, etc.,
etc., etc. The list is long and, from what I can tell from all the
racist/sexist oriented courses and classes in the curricula of various
institutions of "higher" learning, it's **growing**.How
wonderful would be the realization of the dream by Dr. King, myself and many
others, when we will each be evaluations **individually**, for our **own**
character and behavior rather than some long ago outmoded criteria such as
arbitrary racial characteristics or gender.It's a dream I would
love someday to see become a reality.
"Vote suppressors find alternative means to achieve objectives"Yes indeedy . . . suppressing the votes of American citizens has become a
proud Republican tradition.
Mike Richards said: "Snopes" is not a news organization. It qualifies as
one of the tabloids you see at a supermarket checkout, such as the National
Enquirer."..and yet it uses references and sources, something
the news organizations you follow never do?
@Schnee you really need to read before you make accusations. I said "The
racists of today and yesterday are no more a part of the repubs today than the
KKK is part of Democrats today."In actuality the Dixiecrates
supporting racial segregation tried to create a third party, when Truman
supported desegregation. Most returned to the democrat party
Well, that sure was entertaining. Watching the same old commentators drum up
accusations of voting fraud to be thoroughly debunked. Do people like mike ever
get tired of being proven wrong? Or do they gain some sort of sick satisfaction
trolling the board?Let's face it, we all know why the GOP is
trying to prevent minorities from voting... Minorities don't vote
republican. Minorities don't find the pro corporate welfare agenda very
appealing. It's that simple.
Southern Democrats and Republicans switched sides on Civil Rights in the
mid-1960's when white racist Southern Democrats, put off by LBJ's
signing of key Civil Rights legislation and lured by the Republican Southern
Strategy, voted overwhelmingly for Republican Barry Goldwater in the 1964
Presidential elections.Republican-led efforts to suppress minority
votes have not diminished. As the author points out, the techniques employed
have been modified somewhat, but they still exist.The Republican
Party finds it in its best interests to suppress the minority (especially
African American) vote.Our Right/Wrong-leaning Supreme Court wreaks
havoc upon our Republic with significant decisions undermining our Constitution.
Hopefully, a more realistic SCOTUS will undo those anti-American decisions in
the not-so-far future.A major hurdle to achieving a true Democratic
Republic in this nation is the suppression of suffrage for felons, of which
minorities comprise a disproportionately large proportion.Face it,
the Republican Party is in utter fear of Democracy . . . And for good reason.Republican power helps only a very small percentage of Americans, and
though many Americans have been successfully propagandized into voting
Republican, the majority of Americans know better . . . And thus their votes are
targeted for suppression.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utah"Snopes" is not a news
organization. It qualifies as one of the tabloids you see at a supermarket
checkout, such as the National Enquirer. No one who is serious about voter fraud
reads the National Enquirer to gather facts and no one who is a serious
journalist uses Snopes to validate his stories.1:39 p.m. July 10,
2014========== Did you know that, FauxNews,
Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck andhis Blaze have even less credibility than
that?BTW -- TalkShows are NOT, never have been, and never will be -
credible Journalistic News outlets.
What a stretch.
Mike Richards, those stories about Ohio voter fraud have been debunked time and
time again by reputable fact checkers.Please do some research before
regurgitation of far right propaganda.
@ Mike Richards,You still didn't mention which news
organizations contained the statements you allege.I personally went
to the official records to check on your allegation about 90% voter turnout.
Your allegation was not borne out by the facts.So take shots at
Snopes if you like, but it's hard to see how the official records of Ohio
are less credible than your unnamed media sources.
So many allegations of voter fraud, so little documentation of it. Did not the
Wisconsin Tea Party governor spend enormous sums to ferret out voter fraud, and
found maybe a handful of incidents. (Most of these were considered innocent
mistakes as well.)There is no good reason, other than to make it
hard for people to use their right to vote, to make it harder than it already
is. I think we should change voting days to Sunday. Or maybe go completely
mail in balloting. Mail in balloting works well in the states in which it is in
@jsf" but forget the Repubs were the party of the blacks in the south.
The party continually attacked by the Democrat infused KKK. "Yes, that was true in the 60s. After that the alignment in the south
completely flipped with the exodus of Dixiecrats (white democrats) to the
Republican party, and that is why the Republicans get 85% of the white vote in
those now deep red states while Democrats get 85% of the minority vote.
@Maverick,Nobody said "Voter Fraud is the reason the GOP
can't win elections". But thanks for throwing that strawman out
there. It should be EASY for you guys to attack (since it's baloney to
begin with).If you have to make up your own strawman in order to
have something to say... you must not have much to say about reality.How about addressing what they actually said, (that Voter Fraud DOES exists)?
Instead of just making up a strawman nobody said, and attacking that instead?I don't think voter fraud changes elections. But it IS illegal.
So we SHOULD do something about it. Requiring ID to insure voters are who they
say they are, is not a bad thing. And it's NOT "racism".
What a pile of bunk this article is! Move into the 21st century, the here and
now! Voter suppression is nice little theory, but virtually non existent and
certainly no more of an important issue then voter fraud. Besides, who is going
to oversee or investigate it? This inept administration? That is like letting
the coyote guard the chicken coop. They lie, hide and bury all the necessary
information, and their willing accomplices in the press are even more worthless.
"Snopes" is not a news organization. It qualifies as one of the
tabloids you see at a supermarket checkout, such as the National Enquirer. No
one who is serious about voter fraud reads the National Enquirer to gather facts
and no one who is a serious journalist uses Snopes to validate his stories.
Roland,I know, it’s hard to see when you wear blinders and feast on
MSNBC and huffintonpost.Lie about the GOP •harry
reid’s comments about Romney’s tax returns•you
didn’t build that•every wword that comes out of BO’s
mouth•etc, etc.register illegals•SEIU in NV
in 2010 and elsewhere•See my first post about the motor voterVote early, vote often•Chicago in 1960, giving Illinois to
JFK rather than Nixon is widely known to have happened because of dem fraud.•See harry reid’s re-election in 2010•You can add
gore’s attempt to disenfranchise military voters in FL in 2000.White voter intimidationBlack Panthers manning Philly polling places in
2010, and holder would not even investigate, let alone prosecute.Deny all you want, turn a willfully blind eye, but thems the facts!
KJB1Sorry KJB1, but I saw pictures of more than just one Black
Panther standing at that polling place. And I notice you do not address the
argument about voter ID. You just go on a personal attack argument against the
messengers. That is the sign that your side has no valid argument against voter
ID laws, except to play the race card or discredit people who are in favor of
the laws. As for losing elections, don't forget we are still with the 2010
House, and possibly the Senate this Novermber. I wouldn't be to quick to
conclude that Republicans can't and won't win future elections. In
fact, Obama may bring about a couple of landslides in the next two elections.
@Maverick,Please tell us about the "Voter Fraud" our
previous AGs were involved in... I think you are confused. Swallow was
charged with campaign FINANCE violations... not "Voter Fraud".Google "Voter Fraud Definition" and read up on it if you don't
know what it means.Top definition... "Voter fraud, also known as
vote fraud, election fraud, and electoral fraud, refers to the specific offenses
of fraudulent voting, impersonation, perjury, voter registration fraud, forgery,
counterfeiting, destroying already cast ballots, and a multitude of crimes
related to the electoral process".Campaign finance violations...
are NOT the same as "Voter Fraud"."Voter Fraud" is
carried out by voters who break election laws (not the candidate). Unless the
candidate is actually going around pretending he's other voters and voting
2 bits: "Mary's letter about what happened 50-60 years ago..."Indeed, she's being more than a little sneaky. Did you catch where
she slipped Ben Tillman"s quote into the 60's racial strife? "Yet, it’s surprising how recent some of our worst racial offenses
were. The people who participated in the Freedom Summers are still alive.
Eleanor Holmes Norton, now a congresswoman, was with Medgar Evers shortly before
he was shot in the back. Then, only 6 percent of Mississippi blacks were
registered to vote, because as Rep. Ben Tillman once boasted, “We have
done our level best [to disenfranchise blacks] …"Tillman
made the statement over a hundred years ago. And, he was a Democrat.
Mary's letter about what happened 50-60 years ago (and doesnt happen today)
was an attempt to "Gin-up the base"... and evidently it worked. Just
look at the comments!We no longer have people burning buses or
torturing activists (that was 60 years ago)... We DO have uniformed Black
Panthers stationed at polling locations to intimidate voters (TODAY).Voter registration isn't intended to keep any race from voting.
It's intended to prevent voter fraud. People of all races have ID. You
must have ID to work. To go to school. To get insurance. To drive. Etc....
Is that "racist"??? Why no ID required to vote???---------IF you can blind yourself enough to believe that
there's no voter fraud (some can do it)..... google "Voter fraud,
we've got proof"...New York City’s Department of
Investigations had undercover agents show up at 63 polling places last fall and
pretend to be voters who should have been turned away by election officials; the
agents assumed the names of individuals who had died or moved out of town, or
who were sitting in jail. 97 percent of the time they were ALLOWED TO VOTE!
What do you expect "some" to do, when they keep loosing the votes
of -- Blacks, Hispanics, Women, College Students,
Gays/Lesbians, the poor, the sick, the needy, the
47%, When you only cater to 1% of the Voters, the only thing
left to do is -- make their Corporations "People", give them unlimited "Free Speech", and legalize their
Mary Barker's article is an unsubtle attempt at beginning to inspire
minority voters for the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections. We'll see
hundreds more just like this one, from liberal journalists, attempting to scare
voters to the polls. With so many Democrats dispirited (and less likely to even
bother to vote) by the pathetic performance of Barack Obama, this will be the
strategy to "fire up the base". It's much easier to point fingers
at "Republican meanies" than find any accomplishments or substance to
get out the vote.
To sign up for insurance on the health exchange, my son was required to show
evidence of who he was, drivers license. Are all these posters telling us how
the requirement will suppress democrat voters, telling us they support democrat
voters not being allowed to purchase of obtain health insurance through the
exchanges. Was that not the purpose of the ACA. I love how we hear how the
Repubs must hate blacks and minorities, but forget the Repubs were the party of
the blacks in the south. The party continually attacked by the Democrat infused
KKK. The racists of today and yesterday are no more a par of the repubs today
than the KKK is part of Democrats today. Saying they are, is just
lying to the masses of illiterate voters to get their votes.
@Mike Richards,(continued)Also, according to the Edward
McClelland, in 16 counties here in Utah, Mitt Romney's percentage of the
vote exceeded the 84 percent President Obama received in his hometown of
Chicago. Some small voting precincts here showed no votes for President Obama. I
think this accurately reflects political beliefs in Utah and is not evidence of
voter fraud. And I don't think the people of Ohio are less committed to
voter integrity than we are.
Now it's bringing people her illegally and having them vote in exchange for
citizenship and welfare. That's all they advertise in Mexico on the TV here
is going to the United States and getting free welfare. Nothing at all is said
about better opprotunities because there are none.
@Mike Richards,I don't know what "media" reports you
are referring to, but Snopes debunks some of the allegations contained in your
post. You say in two counties in Ohio, the turnout exceeded the number of
eligible voters. Snopes says this is false. The official Voter Turnout
statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters
in a county with 108,014 registered voters. That's about 60% voter turnout.
I went to that official site to verify how many Ohio counties exceeded 90%. None
of them did.You say "Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts
in Cleveland (According to Snopes, the reported claim was Wood County, not
Cuyahoga County). Obama received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP
observers were removed." Snopes looked at the precinct-by-precinct breakdown
of the official voting results from Wood County. It determined that President
Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that
county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one
precinct was 75.5%
happy2bhere:Those "Black Panthers" were nothing but one guy
in a beret standing around outside a polling place. The only reason anybody
knew he was there was because Fox News chose to freak out about it.What strikes me about this whole argument how spoiled and self-entitled
conservatism has become in this country. Why bother trying to convince
Americans of the validity of your message when you can just live in your own
echo chamber and make excuses for losing elections instead?
Hearing republicans complain about "voting fraud" is funny considering
questionable voting methods and a few interesting phone calls from 41 and his
son who was the governor of Florida gave W the White House.
The Republicans are clearly desperate to suppress the votes of Democratic
voters. They even carelessly admit it (as in Pennsylvania). Absolutely no one is
fooled by the Republicans' righteous push to control nonexistent voter
fraud--themselves least of all.
To lost in D.C.:"Roland,Dems win national elections by:•lying about the GOP•registering illegal aliens to vote•voting early and often•intimidating white voters in Philly
and other similar places"I've seen no evidence to support
your claims. Please provide some. There are fewer than a dozen documented cases
of in-person voter fraud in each of the past few national elections.
Barker: "In striking down part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, requiring
districts with a history of racial discrimination to seek preclearance before
changing election rules, Chief Justice John Roberts said, 'our country has
changed.'"I actually agree with Justice Roberts. Things
have changed, but not entirely for the better. As Barker noted, voting rights
violations have moved north. I would agree with the SCOTUS ruling striking down
federal oversight of voting in the old Confederacy, but only to the extent that
northern states are also engaged in voter suppression and also need oversight.
Congressional revision of the CRA should extend federal voting oversight to the
entire country, not just the South.
A recent news article spoke of an immigrant (did not say if she was legal or
not, but since she could not legally vote, I have to assume she was illegal) who
used a motor voter initiative to register to vote while she got her
driver’s license. She then illegally voted. The purges of voter rolls
and voter ID laws are necessary to prevent such incidents of voting fraud.You need ID to buy some types of over-the-counter cough medicines;
requiring ID to vote is NOT overly burdensome. Driver’s licenses
don’t cost any money; to say requiring state ID is burdensome is a blatant
lieAnd nowhere does Mary mention the overt racism of the black
panthers and similar groups – not that the existence of those thugs
excuses the actions of white racist thugs, but we should not forget that they
exist.Roland,Dems win national elections by: •lying about the GOP•registering illegal aliens to vote•voting early and often•intimidating white voters in Philly
and other similar places
There may have been significant voter fraud in the 2012 election. The media
reported that in two counties in Ohio, the total votes cast exceeded the number
of eligible voters. In thirty-one counties in Ohio, voter "turnout"
exceeded 90%, Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland. Obama
received 99% of the vote in districts where GOP observers were removed.I'm not claiming that fraud only happened on the Democrat side. What
I'm claiming is that fraud occurred. For that kind of fraud to occur,
there has to be people behind the scenes formulating fraud and instructing
others on how to commit fraud. There has to be election officials who allow
ineligible voters to vote. It's not just the voter who committed fraud;
it's all the people who were involved and candidates who did not demand
investigation when their victory was suspect. You can draw your own
conclusions, but until things are totally cleaned up, no one can ever be sure
who really wins an election.
Hmm. No mention of the IRS.
Excellent article, Mary. Its just too bad happy people who are here are too
blind to see the truth.
And a big PS. The only real incident of voter suppression that has happened
recently was the Black Panthers standing near polls in Philadelphia to
intimidate voters. I notice the Justice Department and Eric Holder did not give
a darn about that. Yet they make up a false argument that an American citizen
should not be asked to show ID for voting, when everything else in America
requires one. Obviously the only reason Democrats don't want people to
show ID is because they are preparing to use illegals to throw elections.
Otherwise they would not have any qualms about ID.
So Was the last 2 Presidents elected? or NOT
Oh please Mary, take it back to Berkely. There is no voter suppression in
asking for the same thing that every cash checking store, car dealer, clinic,
library, airport, school, job, bank, police officer, loan officer, car rental
agency, furniture rental company, welfare officer, ect. ect. ect. ask for. To
ask that a person prove citizenship and eligibility, by proper ID, before using
the most important and only means of changing the country is the most patriotic
and common sense thing any reasonable citizen can expect. Many elections, even
Presidential, have come down to a few votes. Even ONE illegal vote is way too
many to allow. Not asking for ID to vote will result in the same thing that
Obama has caused by implying that if you get to America you can stay. Look at
the results. A mess.
Great column by Mary Barker!Things have unquestionably gotten
better, even in the South, but to expect things to be completely healed is
naïve. My wife is African American, from the South, and we'll be
travelling back to see her mother and siblings later this month. I've met some older African Americans who still deeply distrust the
government, who keenly remember the Tuskeegee Experiements, who sense the gains
of equality may just be a veneer that hides much more powerful and currently
quiet racism.I've met Americans who witnessed members of their
own community lynched. Yes, these folks are very wary of not just getting
government ID, but of showing it to anyone outside their immediate social
circle.If Republicans genuinely believe voting fraud is rampant,
they should support a national Voter ID system, like Mexico has done in their
efforts to increase voter turnout. If we can shell out $4 Billion to better
secure the south border in an emergency situation, we can afford a national
voter ID program.The invective shown by Republicans reinforces old
It is fundamentally unAmerican to place these burdens upon the right of the
people to vote. Those politicians who in the name of vote integrity find ways
to suppress voter turnout ought to be declared enemies of democracy. That is
what they are . We have very little voter fraud in the country. The fraud is
not that someone might vote who is not a citizen. The fraud emanates from those
who would place substantial burdens on unwanted voters.Follow the
politics and the agenda of those who vote to, and propose a suppression, of
voters. That is the enemy of our country and the concept of democracy.
Republicans can only win national elections when they can prevent Democrats from