Polls provide 'political cover' for lawmakers to act, proponents say
Wow, such misinformed hate in the comments here! What on earth gives you the
right to believe that you are *entitled* to live here because your ancestors
emigrated here first? My ancestors on both sides came here nearly four hundred
years ago. They came because of economic need, religious desire, adventure, or
other reasons. Many of them, frankly, treated the current residents of this
land despicably, and much, much worse than the majority of current US
immigrants. Nevertheless, they waited in no lines and paid no exorbitant fees.
They didn't destroy the economy; they created new ones.Immigrants create new economic strength and bring motivation and innovation
with them. They are wa primary driver of America's previous success. Our
new immigration laws did not originate with the founders who allowed relatively
unfettered immigration until about 100 years had passed and racist anti-Chinese
immigration laws started in California. Those spread to Italians, Irish, etc.
until now we use our terribly un-American and hateful, contradictory immigration
system to beat up on Mexicans, Guatemalans and others trying to avail themselves
of the same opportunities our own ancestors did.I pray this selfish
mentality can be changed.
Our immigration system isn't broken, the laws are not being enforced and
won't be as long as we have obama occupying the White House and Eric Holder
refusing to uphold the laws. This administration and people like Holder have
always had this plan to swamp America with illegals (no, they are NOT
undocumented immigrants), they are illegals, and as such both obama and holder
should be held accountable and removed from office. Holder is perhaps the most
corrupt attorney general in our history. Like obama, he picks and chooses which
laws to enforce. That being the case, perhaps it is time for the citizens in
America to do likewise, pick and choose which laws to follow. Apparently, it is
working very well for many businesses, corporate America, even churches, who
hire or harbor illegals using the excuse "it is the humanitarian thing to
do." No. The right thing is to deny and deport. Deny every illegal of every
entitlement afforded to us. Seal the borders. Place the national guard or army
along our border. Confiscate every item etc. accumulated by illegals. Don't
give them anything, and no anchor babies.
A phone poll of the Utah Chamber of Commerce reveals...
This article and headline are misleading because "Immigration Reform"
means different things to different people and groups. The Salt Lake Chamber of
Commerce and LDS Church think it means amnesty and open borders. Most Utahns
and most Americans however want immigration reform in the form of controlled
borders, enforcement of laws, and more efficient deportation.Americans are fed up with the influx of illegal immigrants. The public as a
whole pays the price for the flood of illegal immigrants, and further weakening
the laws and encouraging even more immigration would simply harm the entire
country so as to benefit those portions of the business community that want
access to cheap foreign labor. I am in favor of "immigration
reform," but to me that means securing our borders, deporting the people who
are here illegally, and raising the standards on who is allowed to immigrate
I am in favor of some kind of reform. I also wonder if workers who would be on
farms would continue to be if they had welfare and all the perks. Why
can't we insist those on welfare or unemployment who are capable of working
should work as there are plenty of jobs. What they would earn working could be
added to their welfare payment or at least a portion.
@carmen. Amen. Your comments were more succinctly worded than mine that got
refused to be printed. Thank you! I agree 100%.
RPH wanted to know of any law not being enforced.How about Section 8
of the US Federal Immigration and Nationality Act 1324 Section a, Subsection 1
paragraph A makes it a felony to employ or continue to employ an illegal alien
punishable by a fine of $10k and or five years in prison for each alien
employed.When was the last time you heard of any CEO being sent to
prison for violating that law?It wouldn't take much law
enforcement for the Salt Lake Chamber to get the message.
This is a great example of how push-polling works. You poll a group using
guiding questions, steering the respondents towards desired results.And obviously those conducting the poll along with the media all want the same
results...amnesty and a revision of existing law.Why not have the
courage to ask Utahns the following simple questions:- Are you in
favor of granting amnesty to all people here in this country illegally
currently?- Do you want our borders controlled to prevent and/or
deter illegal entrance into our country?- Do you believe our current
immigration laws are enforced?- Do you want our current immigration
laws enforced?- Do you want immigration laws modified to allow more
people to enter our country?- Should businesses be penalized for
employing illegal immigrants?The results would be more interesting
than what's presented in this article.
The polling for this article was actually commissioned by those people wanting
only outright amnesty for illegals. And the only Utahns who where asked for
their comments were Mexicans and other Central Americans who are here illegally.
But the deseret news will not tell it's readers that truth.
@carman"Enforce current laws and secure our borders."No one seems to know what securing the border means. One would thing it would
mean meeting illegals at the border and turning them back. But, in fact, what
the border patrol is doing is accepting illegals with open arms, checking them
in, feeding them, then putting them on buses to parents or close relatives in
the US... who likely are illegal.Further, 62% of the 10 to 20
million illegals are here on visas but don't go home when the visas
expire."Ship any and all who enter the country illegally back to
their country of origin, and take the costs out of the foreign aid that we
provide to their country."The government is shipping them
back... about ten percent of them. And it takes about 5 to 6 years to run them
through immigration courts.I like your idea about foreign aid. But
I'd cancel all foreign aid to originating countries."Grant
citizenship to newborns ONLY if their mother is a U.S. citizen."I'd deny citizenship to all illegals... even if they went home and did it
rphDeportations by Obama are counted as stopped at the border and
returned. As for his deporter in chief label, that has likely been framed by LA
RAZA to take the heat off of the President and keep the low information voter
really believing that Obama has secured the border and we can now proceed with
immigration reform or as it really will be, legalization and voting rights for
11 million illegals here now. You and I both know that is the ultimate goal of
the Democrat Party.And another thing I hope you tell the DHS people
you work with that the drug cartels are using these children to distract the
border security while they move tons of drugs into the country while our people
play babysitter. Or didn't you and Obama realize that? Wouldn't
surprise me if you didn't. Or maybe you just don't care.
Wouldn't surprise me either.
people are barking up the wrong tree - the GOP would gladly reform immigration
laws which would FIRST secure the border and second provide a viable pathway to
citizenship but there is one BIG problem....BARACK OBAMA. It seems that Barack
wants compelte amnesty and only lip service to come sort of secure border. The
bottom line - the road block to GOOD policy is Barack. Period!!
Suprising to see Utahns overwhelming supporting our President and the Democrats
on this issue. Why they keep sending obstructionists and idealogues back to
represent them in Congress is beyond me.
I would love to see Congress exercise their constitutional right to send the
military down to the border. Give them guns and orders to shoot at anybody who
shoots at them, and prevent anybody from crossing the border illegally. If we
do take them into custody, they should be rendered unconscious and have a
microchip put in them that identifies where and when they were caught crossing
the border. If they try to cross again, we collect biometric data on them and
send them deeper into central America until it is no longer possible for them to
afford to come back.Then, Congress needs to figure out how to
process the immigration requests faster. A 10 year wait is too long. Reducing
it to 6 months would be ideal.Funding would not be a problem for a
while because currently each illegal immigrant family costs the US over $2000
per year in services. This will also cut down on military training costs as
they are actively performing their duties.
What most Americans favor is catching them and sending them home, not granting
legal status to law breakers.
Re: "Eighty-three percent of Utahns say it is important that Congress act on
immigration reform this year . . . ."Even assuming the technical
truth of such a poll, that is not to say that 83%, or even 3% of Utahns favor
the Senate's amnesty-based legislation.The most popular
"immigration reform," favored by a majority approaching 100% of
Americans, is to regain control of America's borders areas, which
Obama's cynical, vote-buying, open-borders policy has surrendered to the
"The vast majority of Americans — and an even higher percentage of
Utahans — say the nation’s immigration system is broken..."Notice that no one seems to know what's broken. We know for sure
that enforcement is broken. Thanks to Barack Hussein Obama hundreds of
thousands of illegals are freely crossing our southern border and are free to
wonder anywhere they please in the US. And now he wants $3.7 billion to spend
on the illegals as they freely wonder around America... which calculates to
about $61,000 per illegal. Good heavens! What's wrong with this guy?
The only "reforms" needed are:1) Secure the border. Mr.
Obama, Build Up That Wall!!2) Mandatory E-Verify for all workers.3)
Large fines for Employers who hire illegals - $10K per illegal.4)
Streamline the deportation process.5) A President with a backbone.6)
A Congress with a spine.7) Enforce the immigration laws currently on the
books.8) THEN, and ONLY THEN Create a guest worker program.How
hard is it? Really not that hard. The $3.7B Obama is asking for
should be used for #1.
has anyone ever heard of the law of consecration? well, this is an example of
what we need to humble ourselves to. the people coming across the border for the
most part, are decent people. and yes, I'm a hard core conservative. BUT.
to adhere to the lord and the coming days, most conservatives need to learn to
become more loving, and less money, money, money!
@one vote. Where is the Senate bill? Answer in the no Amnesty file. Right where
it should be.
The amnesty the open border crowd wants is NOT the proper fix.rph,a recent article in the DN told how immigration officials were
releasing illegals caught at the border who had small children because detention
centers were full, asking them to appear at immigration court later. Of course,
they never do. The government is NOT applying the penalties for unlawful entry,
etc. Where do you get off saying the BO misadministration is enforcing laws
when he is essentially letting them come in free? you need more news sources
than MSNBC and huffington post. Please educate yourself before repeating, and
thereby perpetuating, leftist fallacies.onevotewhere are the
bills on ANYTHING the house passed? When will harry allow a vote on ANYTHING?
He won’t even allow gun control votes now.
Secure the border, secure the border, secure the border, secure the border,
enforce existing law. Send these kids back to Guatemala and Honduras. I'm
sure that the government could get their hands on a few 747's to help with
the effort. Penalize Mexico for even letting them through to our border. Put
the U.S. Military on our border. After all, this is a national security issue
and the military is tasked to defend the U.S.
It is easier to say no and obstruct that work on the problem. Where is the bill
the Senate passed?
@SCFan, I don't live in Arlington any more, but it's funny you mention
tax funding, because it would take a lot more of it to do what a lost of these
commentators are asking for. I think many fail to recognize how more our
federal government would have to spend to deport all of the illegal immigrants
in our country. I do listen to people who work on the border; I work with DHS
on a regular basis and have worked in immigration law for a few years. Are you
aware that deportations in the Obama administration increased? Are you aware
that the Latino community in the States calls him the deporter in chief?
Seriously though, you mean to tell me that all of DHS-CBP and DHS-ICE are just
sitting on their hands? @Uncle Fester: The government IS applying
the penalties for unlawful entry, deporting people and generally securing the
borders against continued abuse. We could obviously doing more, and there are
ways that we cannot legally do more, but I wish we could, but to say this is not
happening is simply not true.
rph, while I appreciate what you are attempting to suggest, what people mean by
"enforce the law" is to apply the penalties for unlawfully entering the
country, deport people who do not belong here and generally act to secure the
borders against continued abuse by non-citizens. Also, as a citizen I note that
I don't want to support the costs of health care for non-citizens who are
here illegally. The law and enforcement provisions are found in U.S.C. and the
C.F.R. Surely you don't suggest that illegally entering the country is not
something a sovereign nation has a right to prevent. Prevention and expulsion is
what is meant by "enforce the law."
rphWhy don't you educate yourself by listening to the people who work
on the border and what they say. They will tell you that the Obama
administration has tied their hands to turn back these illegals. Remember when
during Bush, ICE went after illegals who were working in the country. Bush told
them to stop. When the minutemen went down to light up the border, Bush called
them vigilanties. Don't even go there with trying to imply that both Bush
and Obama have not been open border guys and ignored the written law.
That's why we have this problem. No real obeying of the law by the
previous administrations. You'd better do like Obama should have done and
get out of that tax payer funded bubble you live in in Arlington and see
what's happening in the real world.
It doesn't surprise me that such a high percentage say they want
'immigration reform' especially when one considers the recent invasion
of illegals that keep coming across our southern border. Most people who are
paying attention to what is happening realize that something has to be done.All the talk about liberalizing our immigration laws and giving a
pathway to citizenship, along with a president that has relaxed existing laws,
is very likely the cause of the southern border invasion. These things open the
door to the 'milk and honey' temptations that people of the third
worlds see.The sad thing is that so many of our citizen, church and
business leaders have supported this travesty.Is it any wonder that
such a high percentage of those polled say that we need reform?One
only needs to read the comments on this article to get a truer poll.
No nation can long survive without enforcing its laws and borders. Illegal
immigration threatens the health, economy and sovereignty of our Nation. Illegal
immigration is an affront to legal immigration. In Colorado an investigation by
the Secretary of State's office was found that thousands of illegal
immigrants attempted to vote and some of them succeeded. Our jails are full of
illegals so much so that courts now need to address at trial the immigration
consequences of any plea and failure to do so may result in reversal. Really?
From the perspective of the average citizen this should not even be an issue.
You commit a crime while a guest here, you are sent home, period. They should
all be sent home anyway.
Reform? How about just enforcing the law and send a message that if you are
caught here out of status you are immediately and without any phony hearings
deported. These illegals have some form of a carrot dangling and always know
that weak kneed politicians will give them a pass. These polls are phony just
ask do you favor amnesty in any form and the result will be different.
They didn't poll me. My response would be that we won't know if we
need to change the law until we actually enforce the existing law. Currently
its like the pirate code, more of a suggestion.
The commentary of on this article reveals that a very small percentage of
readers actually understand U.S. immigration law and its procedures, and what
the president can and cannot do. I am astonished that so many think that
President Obama is not enforcing U.S. immigration laws. What, I must ask,
exactly do the people who say this think the federal employees working for the
Department of Homeland Security's CBP, ICE, and other organizations do with
their time, since they're apparently not enforcing federal law? Can the
astute readers point out exactly what laws are not being enforced? Do these
commentators have evidence or proof that the Obama administration has stopped
deporting illegal immigrants, other than the bluster of political talking heads?
Since when does the Affordable Health Care act grant free healthcare to illegal
aliens? Did you know that many illegal aliens have been receiving free health
care for decades because they cannot pay and that cost is passed onto the tax
payer? Very few of you know little, if anything, about U.S.
immigration law beyond the inaccurate rhetoric of the Right. Please educate
yourselves before repeating, and thereby perpetuating, popular falicies.
A great strategy on the part of those within our government who are charged with
executing our laws: Don't enforce the existing law...so that folks will
think there are no laws or that the laws don't work. Then moan and groan
because the legislative law makers don't change the laws to something the
executors would rather enforce. It's called "tantrum" politics.
We've seen it before. We'll no doubt see it again. I just wish we
weren't seeing it this time...for the sake of all these misplaced, mistaken
Here is immigration reform:1) Enforce current laws and secure our
borders.2) Ship any and all who enter the country illegally back to their
country of origin, and take the costs out of the foreign aid that we provide to
their country.3) Create a work visa that brings those who LEGALLY come
here can use to work in this country. Base the number of visa's issued on
the number of workers needed and justified by an independent panel, and
institute a lottery system by class of workers needed to determine who is given
the visas. Limit to 3-5 years, and allow them to re-enter the lottery when
their visa expires.4) Tax the employer and employee of those with work
visas to cover the full cost of their being here, including emergency medical,
processing costs, and their fair share of the cost of maintaining police, fire,
etc.5) Citizenship should remain difficult to obtain. Allow for
moderately more liberal "resident" status, but this would not include
the right to vote.6) Grant citizenship to newborns ONLY if their mother is
a U.S. citizen. Otherwise the child could obtain only the status of the mother.
Changing our laws will not fix the problem.The problem is that our
laws are not being enforced now, and we can be certain the Obama administration
will not enforce the new laws either.There certainly are changes
needed, but not the ones the amnesty advocates and liberal Democrats seek.We need to repeal the "anchor baby" provisions. Repeal the
multiple appeal process prior to deportation. Enhance the penalties for hiring
illegals. Allow instant deportation for any illegal alien found within 25 miles
of the border without any "due process" rights. Deny federal funding to
any city that is a "sanctuary city" that refuses to enforce immigration
laws. Prohibit any "refundable tax credits" to anyone not a U.S.
citizen. End "chain migration" to unite families.And, we
need to enforce border security by whatever means necessary to stop people
crossing into the United States illegally.Legal immigrants are
welcome, but illegal are not.Rigged polls to produce the desired
results to create news stories are not journalism, but propaganda.
There is an old saying that charity begins at home. We have a lot of unemployed
and underemployed citizens who need the work being given to illegal aliens.
Those who favor de facto open borders should sponsor one of these illegal aliens
and assist them on the road to citizenship.I auggest the people
without proper entry documents be denied entry and let Mexico care for them.
Mexico is not a poor country overall, but it lets these people cross their
southern frontier and are therefore responsible and should be held
accountable.Folks, we can't cure the whole world, we need to
focus on our citizens and their legitimate needs first.These people
will be a drain on us for at least one to three generations. Public health-wise
this is a disaster waiting to happen as many have been exposed to serious
communicable diseases and need screening to prevent outbreaks.It's a tough world out there. If you want to ameliorate the poor
conditions, organize a plan or join a program and pony up some of your money to
support the cause. Just because someone knocks at your door you do
not have to open it.
Why? What changed? What is it that makes it so imperative that we 'act
now' on immigration? And by the way, what does 'act now' entail?
My idea of acting now means putting an absolute stop to anyone hopping the
boarder. There is a good reason for a national border. Until someone has a
specific plan for stopping the flow, I don't want any talk of amnesty.
Who cares about congress.....why is Obama given a pass?Obama creates
this mess.....make him own it!
Saying 91 percent want a change is not saying that 91 percent want to allow
illegal immigrants to stay. My guess is 1/2 or more want stricter immigration
laws or enforcement of the laws we have. The immigration system is broken
because the President and the president before him have refused to enforce the
Don't over think it.... The Administration is playing from a script....
This is the "chaos" phase
This is simple. Charge every undocumented immigrant $3,000 to $5,000 each,
secure the border, and get rid of Obama care, thus dis incentivizing coming here
for free health care, and problem is solved. Oh, I forget, this is congress and
the President we are talking about!
Fortunately, most of America has figured out the little charade the amnesty
advocates have tried to dump on the American public.These guys want
cheap labor and they want it fast.They couldn't care less how
they get it.
I will agree that there is potentially a need to reform our current Immigration
Laws. 1. We need to make it possible to deport these people as soon as
they are identified as being here without any legal paperwork granting them
permission to be here.2. We also need to increase the fine for hiring them
to $10,000 per person
A TIPP poll, says 59 percent of voters who are closely following the border
surge agree that "current administration policies and lack of focus on
securing the border" are behind the crisis. One-third of political
independents and Hispanics “strongly” blame the president. Six in 10
respondents say that unaccompanied alien children should be ordered to leave the
country. A new ËCNN/ORC International survey found that 62% of
Americans say border security should be the main focus of U.S. immigration
policy, while only 36% say a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens should be
the top priority.A new CNN Poll found that 61% of Americans
disapprove of the administration's handling of illegal immigration.Gallop poll finds 65% disapprove of the way Obama is handling
immigration. 75% also want legal immigration numbers to stay the same, or be
decreased. Earlier this week, Mexican President Enrique Peña
Nieto and Guatemalan president Otto Perez Molina held a joint press conference
to formally announce a new program that will allow Guatemalan citizens to
legally travel through Mexico in their effort to enter the United States
illegally.The worst thing we could do is pass reform with a
President that refuses to enforce our laws.
Read the article VERY carefully. You'll discover very easily who is behind
this latest "push polling".Its' not the first time
lobbyists for cheap labor have used push polling - and it probably won't be
the last.Suggestion: do your own "polling" go to virtually
any website that allows citizens to comment on illegal alien trespassers. Count
the number who don't accept the idea of illegal trespassers - then (if you
can find any) count the ones who do.Why can't ALL the lobbyists
for cheap labor just DROP IT; and pay their employees a decent wage? Stop