Dallas Mavericks also reportedly interested in Gordon Hayward

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  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 9, 2014 2:43 a.m.

    @ Long Lost America

    you obviously dont get my point...my point is...they have been playing like that...and contributing...while they were in the Jazz...yes Paul Millsap and Big Al...were in the ballots to be voted in the west...but the fact is....the west is loaded with players on their slots...Aldridge Love Duncan Howard Cousins Ibaka Lee Griffin Gasol...just to name a few...do you think they could sneak by those names?...in the west? that is why i said they were all-stars because they played in the east...im not saying...they are not all-star material...but most fans...especially disgruntled jazz fans...keep saying look at Big Al and Paul Millsap...they are all-stars now...the fact that they dont realize that they have been performing that way ever since they got here...and they expect that those same guys would be named all-stars in the west...where there is a lot of talent...face it...they just wouldnt be able to crack the west all-stars...

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Also, your point on the weakness of the Eastern conference is besides the point. Here is what an article from Bleacher report had to say about Atlanta and the possible free agent mix: "Moreover, the Hawks have a huge hole to fill on the wing. Throw Deng into the equation, and Atlanta's frontcourt, which already features Al Horford and Paul Millsap, might be the league's best."
    If you are an NBA fan and read national publications - and a lot of this should have been obvious if you will simply reread my post - then you would know the respect these former Jazz players are getting is in fact transcendent across the entire NBA in how they rank as players by the national experts. The point is that fans who keep trying to run off the best players from the Jazz never have an intelligent way to regain those assets.

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2014 9:25 a.m.


    I'm a little surprised that you did not pick up the sarcastic tone of my post, but it will not be the first time my dry sense of humor was misunderstood so I will take the blame on that. Of course those trades I suggested are "pretty much lopsided and very unrealistic." In fact they are wildly absurd.
    I will try to take a mulligan and run this by once again. The point of my post was the unreasonable fans who post with criticisms of who can play and who cannot. My point was in illustrating the confused posts of fans who continually point to the fact the players struggle in the Jazz system rather than consider what COULD BE if the Jazz had a good system. The tangent was some of the fans who post also come up with ridiculous trade scenarios. Hence the outrageous trades I suggested. Of course no one would consider giving the players I mentioned for practically nothing. That should have been obvious.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 7, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    the problem is...fans dont seem to think highly of Hayward's ability...Charles Barkley is a fan of Hayward's game...if you watched the all-star game a few seasons back when Hayward and Favors were playing...during the Slam Dunk contest where Jeremy Evans won...Barkley mentioned to watch out for the guy as he was a good player...Doc Rivers is also a fan of his game...the problem last year was...there was no direction on our offense...and i dont think Hayward would fit in the position he was in last year...if Hayward is in a system with a lot of ball movement and off the ball screens he would thrive in that offense...but the question right now is...is he a max contract money player? i would say no...im thinking of a million or 2 less per year of Paul George's contract...heck even Favors is overpaid...if you would compare him to Andre Drummond...heck even Vucevic...i really want the Jazz to keep hayward...as i think Snyder could fix his game...Demarre credited Snyder for his improvement...so i think he'll do wonders with Hayward

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 7, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    @Long Lost America

    first of all...you will never see Al Jefferson in contention for a defensive player of the year award...even be mentioned on the NBA Defensive team...you are giving credit to Al Jefferson when in fact the credit should be on the coach who made sure to create a defensive scheme to mask Al Jefferson's ineffectiveness...secondly...Paul Millsap became an all-star because the east has shallow talent...do you think he'll be an all-star if he was playing in the west?...or if Al Horford was playing...im pretty sure if Al Horford was not injured the entire year...Al Horford might be named an all-star...plus up and coming guys like Andre Drummond would take Millsap's slot...even if we retain them their asking price is too much and we wont even sniff at the playoffs....Also your proposed trades are pretty much lopsided and very unrealistic...i mean come on...if you have westbrook or rondo or drummond...would you want a nobody + a 2nd round draft pick for a superstar in westbrook and rondo? or an up and coming dominant big in drummond?

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    It seems every time there is a young kid who is trying to develop in Utah it brings out the naysayers. We are seeing the same thing with what "fans" are trying to say about 18 year old Dante Exum. So if the team cannot make the playoffs we in Utah say it's because we do not have the right players, instead of asking, "How good would (insert player's name) be if he was able to play for a good team with a good system and a good organization? The team two years ago had far more than its share of good NBA talent. Now we went a whole year because they weren't "good" enough. Now fans want to run off their replacements. It's easy you read, just call up Boston and arrange a trade for Rondo for Ian Clark and a 2nd round pick, then trade Murphy and John Lucas for Russell Westbrook, then we'll have a championship backcourt. Then trade Jeremy Evans and next year's draft pick for Andre Drummond. I'm surprised some of the posters haven't proposed this.

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    The Jazz let Millsap just walk; nothing in return. He subsequently made the all-star team. His teammate DeMare Carroll became a multi-dimensional starter for Atlanta, putting up stats similar to what you might expect from a young Shane Battier. The Jazz got nothing in return. Al Jefferson left and is now universally accepted as the cornerstone player on the playoff "defensive minded" Charlotte team; one that just drafted Vonleh & regarded as one of the up-and-coming teams in the East. Jefferson is even now ranked by some publications as a top four center in the entire NBA. And nothing in return, did not accept trade offers for Millsap, Jefferson, Carroll or even Marvin Williams this past year, for whom a 1st round pick was allegedly offered.
    Now we hope young Jazz players develop to the level of former Jazz players once they left Utah. If only we could get someone as good as Millsap, maybe in free agency or the draft? But, some genius will pipe up, these players "went to the weak Eastern conference", so their accolades mean nothing. So, we should just let anyone who does not flourish in Utah just leave?

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    July 7, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Gordo is a talented all-around player, like AK (probably better at defense), but currently shoots too inconsistently to be a max player. Dont be stupid again Jazz (AK, Booz, mr "flintstone"- personally, I thought Jefferson was the better player last year.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    July 7, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Hayward's performance will improve as he is surrounded by better talent -- like Hood, Exum, Novack, etc. Why do you think players like LBJ care about the supporting cast? Because shooters and threats space the floor. Hayward will never be LBJ, but he will improve when surrounded by a better team, and he will help others on his team play better. Everyone outside Utah knows that.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    July 7, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    JKL51, I agree that he is not your typical "max deal" player, but you missed the most important thing. The league isn't shallow on max players, it is shallow on good wing players. The Jazz would be crazy not to match any offer that comes to Hayward because he is almost impossible to replace in the NBA. Name me one player who can fill Hayward's position who we have a realistic chance of getting.

    Also, change your paradigm about the teams wanting Hayward. Rather than being surprised that these teams are interested, recognize that there are several teams that want him badly, and we would be stupid to let him go. If this many teams want him, doesn't that say something about the kind of player he is? They know how valuable he is, and apparently, you do not.

  • SD_UtahUter San Diego, CA
    July 7, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Hayward should just come to his senses and make a deal with the Jazz. He's not getting a Max Offer from any team, and that's what it's gonna possibly take to pry him away from the them. Teams don't want to tie up dead money (Jazz will match as trade asset) so they won't offer that or they wouldn't be able to land anyone else for several days. I watch Sportscenter and they don't even mention Hayward, and barely even on NBA TV as one of the top free agents. Brian Windhorst of ESPN says there's 3 Top Free agents this year and after that is a steep fall off. Next year is much better he says, so why would a team want to pay Max to a 2nd tier guy? Teams are not that stupid. Kyle Lowery's 4/48Mil, Indiana's Stephenson offer (~8-9Mil/year) have somewhat set the bar for Hayward already. Once Parson's signs for ~10-11Mil/year, his bar is set. The sooner he realizes this, the better deal he will get with the Jazz. Sorry Gordon, you're not getting more than Favors, No Way.

  • JKL51 Phoenix, AZ
    July 7, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    I am shocked at all the Interest in Hayward for a Max contract, That just goes to show you that the NBA is not that deep with Max Players if they are willing to give Hayward a Max deal. He's a good player but no where near a max deal guy. If he gets a max deal I hope the Jazz aren't dumb enough to match the offer. JMO