Congress needs to 'drop the excuses' and take up immigration reform

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  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 8, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    @LOU Montana

    Obama has lied about his deportations. He has been counting people turned away at the border. Previous Presidents counted them separate. If you subtract those turned away at the border, Obama is the worst President for deportations since records were kept.

    Even the ultra liberal L.A. Times is admitting this deception. You can google it and find the article(s)

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 8, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Mountain Man you are completely wrong again. Obama is deporting more illegals than anyone in the history of this great country. What we need to do is put people who hire illegals into prison.

  • Sweet Ginger Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2014 7:12 p.m.

    If free immigration was allowed world-wide the economic gains would be massive! It is essentially free-trade but with labor instead of goods. However, there are always winners and losers. And very difficult when it is our job that has been lost.

    The majority of immigrants come here to escape extreme poverty. My former sitter is a good example of this. As long as there are people living off less than $1.25/day and dying of preventable disease and malnutrition the incentive to move somewhere to survive will be high. It is possible to decrease global poverty ... through vaccinations for children (GAVI alliance), through global education (the Global Partnership for Education) and micro-credit programs. Our foreign aid does make a difference in decreasing poverty (and development assistance is only half of one percent of the US budget).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 7, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    Business is to blame 100%.

    They off-shore and out-source to find cheap labor,
    and the jobs they can't off-shoure or out-source,
    they wil hire illegals.

    Then, they lobby [bribe] politicians to get whatever they want -- legal or not.

    If you want a solution to a problem,
    you must address the root cause of the problem -- in this case, business.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    July 7, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    Well said DN. There are many of who have voted Republican since the 70s who agree with you.

    I'm curious how many of those who routinely post on these threads against any kind of concession for illegal immigrants whatsoever fully support the lawlessness of the crowds impeding traffic in Murrieta, CA.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    July 7, 2014 12:30 a.m.

    Immigration reform sounds great - but what does it mean? If it means allowing more people into the country legally and deporting those here illegally - I vote for immigration reform. If it means allowing people who broke our laws coming hear to become U.S. citizens - I will have to pass.

    I have friends who are well educated and want to come to this country. They wait and wait, but cannot come legally. I also have friends who have advanced degrees that were forced to go home after graduation. I have a big problem with keeping these people at the back of the line while rewarding those you jumped the boarder.

    BTW - the most over used phrase in journalism is "our broken immigration system." It is not broken - it is just not enforced. After all, there are too many business people who would rather pad their profits by paying $5.00/hr. under the table than pay what it would take to hire a citizen or someone with a green card to do the same job. So yes, our will to enforce the law is broken.

    July 6, 2014 10:40 p.m.

    You finish the fence on the border, but you also make e-verify mandatory, without jobs and welfare, they will have no reason to be here illegally. You enforce the laws in the interior of the country, no more letting people stay that have made it across the border, and you clean up the backlog of cases with more judges, and deportation that does not give the person the option to leave by themselves. A visa entry-exit system also is needed. All these items were passed as laws in the 1986 reform, and the 1996 reform.

    Construction, hospitality, service industry etc. are all jobs America will do. They are also jobs that can't be exported.

    Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost, that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. It's good for the economy to put Americans back to work, and reduce our taxes by not subsidizing cheap labor for business.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    July 6, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    Good grief, if I read one more myopic comment that says we should do nothing until we secure the border, I think I'll vomit. Do you people have any idea what it would take to secure the border? East Germany, the most oppressive of the Soviet satellites, put up a 10-foot-high concrete barrier surrounded by mine fields and guard towers. They had another wonderful set of fences between their border and West Germany's, complete with machine guns that would shoot you without asking questions if you approached the fence. That still didn't "secure" their border. Of course, they were trying to keep people in, not out. But just how do you propose to "secure" our 1,933-mile border with Mexico? At what expense? Heavens, we can't get Congress to fund much of anything.

    And as for those illegal immigrants stealing all the high-paying jobs, um, I think you've got it backwards. They end up taking the jobs Americans refuse to apply for. They are desperate. We are lazy. Sorry, conservatives, but you just don't have a reasonable argument on this one. So stop listening to Faux News.

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    July 6, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    The common thread through the vast majority of these comments is that it is time to enforce the laws already on the books. If that were done, it is unlikely that much reform would be needed. LEGISLATORS AND US PRESIDENT, ARE YOU LISTENING?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 6, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    BU52 -

    "When our president starts enforcing the existing laws, then Congress should consider writing new ones."

    Maybe the State of Utah should go first.

    Don't you have a few thousand polygamists who need to be charged, tried, and sentenced?

    And what's the deal with the rampant corruption in the Attorney General's office?

    Aren't there laws against that? The investigation should not stop at the two disgraced former AG's.

    Investigations should continue down the line through the mass of Assistant AG's.

    Sure you can chop off the head of the snake, but the rest of the snake is still a snake.

  • Big George Humble, TX
    July 6, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    The reality is that there are millions upon millions around the world who desperately want a better life for their children. Immigration is good for America, but we do not have the resources to accommodate all who wish to come. I have lived overseas and have friends who have asked me to help them get to America. They applied for a visa and were denied. I suppose I should tell them to sneak in and wait for the next amnesty, as that is the message we are sending the world as has been clearly demonstrated by the human tragedy on our southern border.

    Since we cannot accommodate all who wish to come, to whom should be give the great gift of American citizenship? Those who play by the rules or those who don't? Our current non enforcement favors the latter. And providing a pathway to citizenship for those who cut in line would only exacerbate the problem.

    We have already tried, under Reagan, the political compromise of more enforcement for a path to citizenship. We got the citizenship, but not the enforcement. And the predictable result is that millions have responded to the incentives we have offered.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    July 6, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    When our president starts enforcing the existing laws, then Congress should consider writing new ones.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 5, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    This is one Deseret News editorial I can agree with, although I see the usual "Conservative" Commentators don't like it much.

    Why would they? It's a reasonable editorial.

  • Claire B West Jordan, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    The president has another option: Close the border. Then enforce current immigration law and Congress could then work on reform. These children won't 'contribute to the economy', they would strain an already overburdened welfare system! If you want to unite families, then deport the parents who are here ILLEGALLY along with their children back to their own countries and demand that our LAW be upheld, and that they come here the legal way. President Obama's decision(s) to 'act unilaterally' are what has qualified him for Impeachment. He is abusing his office, and violating his oath to uphold the Constitution. Why should Congress work to reform the law NOW when he has made it clear he is incapable of enforcing current laws? This issue cannot be decide hastily or with sweeping reforms. NO blanket amnesty, and not all illegal aliens should be deported. Send back ALL illegal aliens who have arrived since last year and use the funding that would be spent on supporting their basic needs to help the legal system process and determine the course of action for other, more established, cases.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:29 p.m.

    @Bob K
    "Records show the Administration knew the surge at the border was coming and did nothing to stop it. On January 29, 2014, the federal government posted an advertisement seeking bids for a vendor to contract to handle 65,000 ‘Unaccompanied Alien Children’ crossing the southern border. This raises serious questions".--Senate Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala

    It was carried by some of the media. MSNBC, Huffington Post and the rest of the open border supporters ignored it. He knew it was coming, it was part of his plan to use children to get his amnesty passed. (Staying and working is amnesty, it's like making a bank robber pay a fine, yet he gets to keep the money he stole).

    It's time for the immigration reform people to get specific. What do you want, and what do the American people want, because you're not on the same page.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    It's impossible to pass immigration reform when the house speaker declared that he won't discuss it for fear of what will happen come election time.

    Angry that there isn't any immigration reform?

    Blame the man responsible, Jon Boehner.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 5, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    Construction, housekeeping, hospitality and the service industry cannot be outsourced. This is why the pro-illegal groups and people here illegally are targeting them. We need those jobs for Americans.

    @Ultra Bob
    You realize that Ellis Island precessed legal immigrants. The situation today makes a mockery of the poem.

    The House has passed more bills this year than the Senate, but Senator Harry Reid won't let them be voted on. The Senate bill was not partisan, only 14 Republicans voted for it, all the Democrats did. In order for it to be partisan, a mojority of both parties have to approve it.

    @Bob K

    You put up a fence, just like Mexico is buiolding on their south border. Much of the border uses the Rio Grande river. The White house has a fence around it, military bases also. Coupled with interior enforment, a strict e-verify and more judges, throw in a visa entry/exit system. All passed in previos reforms, but never enacted. Stop letting people stay here after they are ordered deported. Enforcement is easy, the business lobbyists make it hard.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 5, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT
    "There's no likelihood that President Obama will enforce a new immigration law any better than he has enforced the existing immigration laws.'

    --- Please tell us how 11 million people got here if both Bushes, Reagan, and Nixon were making sure that there were good and well enforced immigration laws.

    Marysville, OH
    The Obama administration arranged for this latest humanitarian crisis. The DHS procured buses in January of this year for this "spontaneous event"..... The Democratic party is looking at developing future voters dependent on the government to create a one party

    --- Really? Somebody was really smoking something when they made that up. If it were provable, it would be all over the news.

    --- And, of course, it is the republican party that is trying to manipulate voters, making voting difficult for the poor, with the ridiculous pretense of stopping fraud.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 5, 2014 6:14 p.m.

    Informed Voter
    South Jordan, UT
    No excuses.....just seal the border first!

    --- you would be better informed if you learn that the Southern border is 1954 miles of desert, river, cities and mountains. It is the most frequently crossed international border in the world, with approximately 350 million legal crossings being made annually. How do you propose to seal it? What about the oceans, airports, and Canada?

    And tell us, what has Obama ever compromised on...or what has he spoken with Congress about. Really, all he does is blame Comgress but he refuses to,to discuss issues with them.

    --- you might turn off Fox and Breitbart and listen a bit to the speeches of the President, not slanted reports. He comes across as very reasonable. In fact, to my taste, he wasted time waiting for republicans to do their jobs, when they do nothing but crusade for him to fail, which hurts America.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 5, 2014 5:57 p.m.

    If the House of Representatives wished to address immigration in any form, should they pass a bill to do so?

    The Senate found a way to pass a bipartisan bill. Why can't Speaker Boehner corral his Tea Party/Republicans into some sort of a bill to present to the Senate for reconciliation?

    The absolute, inescapable fact of the matter is that the right wing of the country does not wish any immigration laws to be passed. Read over the other comments to come up with their rationales. Most are rather vacuous, and rely on false information. It serves the purposes of the Tea Party Republicans to demonize immigrants. And since the tail of the dog wags the dog, nothing is going to happen.

    Get used to it America. The Tea Party Republicans are the party of no answers to problems but that we do exactly as they wish us to do.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 5, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    Amnesty is out of the question now. Obama has proved it to be a killer and the separator of families.

    So instead of saying reform, can the editorial board say what needs to be changed.

    We tried amnesty seven times, each time the enforcement part was ignored, and this time will be no different. In 1986 we passed the border fence, interior enforcement, E-verify for all business, including penalties, and more judges. In 1996 we passed a visa entry-exit system. None have been implemented.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 5, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 5, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    "To recognize the Tea Party people, just look for those wearing and carrying the American flag."

    With all due respect, I have a flag lapel pin on my suits, an American flag flying from my balcony, and an American flag on the back of my motorcycle. Am I a teabagger? Absolutely not. I'm a registered Democrat and a service-connected disabled veteran. Why the flags? To remind people that it's my flag too. It's all of ours. It doesn't belong to the right wing and I won't let it become the emblem of extremism.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    July 5, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    There are many comments about how illegal immigration is taking jobs away from Americans. The fact is that big business is to blame for taking jobs away from Americans. They send American jobs to other countries. And then come back and want to sell the products in this country. Cracking down on immigration, would simply result in big business sending more jobs out of this country.
    the solution to ending unemployment in this country, would be to not allow anything made out of this country, to be sold in this country. or make it more expensive to make things out of this country, then in this country.

  • Klarson Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    The "Utah Compact" does not come close to expressing the opinion of most Utah citizens on the topic of immigration. The Utah Compact is a thinly veiled manifesto for amnesty and open borders, inviting further waves of illegal immigration.

    The borders must be sealed. People currently in the country illegally need to be deported. (And the process shouldn't take years, it should take weeks.)

    The U.S. can not survive the flood of immigration we are facing. We need immigration reform, but reform in the sense of putting our priorities on the welfare and rights of American citizens. Immigration reform following the principles of the Utah Compact is a recipe for continued disaster. I applaud Republican lawmakers for standing against these suicidal "reforms."

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    July 5, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Obama has invited this problem with his previous executive order regarding immigrant children.

    But now congress does need to act. It's high time we make changes to allow good people in. Ensure they learn English, pay taxes and contribute to society.

    July 5, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    "Thirty-two House Republicans joined Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., in a letter to the president calling on him to end the policies that have caused the surge of illegal border crossings. The letter calls on Obama to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, and to forego policies that give the recent illegal border crossers or other illegal aliens special treatment under the law."

    Other media sources reporting Obama has so far placed 240,000 people (including adults) inside our country since April. This does not include the 50,000 children being kept in detainment. Eight cities so far have stopped relocation to their communities.

  • ZorroPC Park City, UT
    July 5, 2014 2:00 p.m.


    And let us emphasize that the Mormon Church supports the principles of the Utah Compact on immigration. (Church News Release, 11 November 2010).
    12:42 a.m. July 5, 2014



    Because Utah Mormon Republicans soundly rejected it,
    thus proving they will choose their Political Leaders over their Religious Leaders.


    Please explain the gospel principle that supports law breaking? Both LDS andd Catholic church leaders support and encourage illegal immigration, because it puts backsides in the seats a cash in the donation boc. I offsets the waning attendance by US members.

  • Roy_Beans La Habra Heights, CA
    July 5, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    So that everyone is not just talking past each other...Please define what the Deseret News believes is "the immigration problem". Please tell us what needs to be solved. Make it plain and simple not cloaked in "focusing law enforcement on criminal activities etc etc.
    What do you propose must be done RIGHT NOW to fix the problem that you are yet to define.

    Here is the problem with this discussion.. You say there is a "problem" and everyone nods their heads. But the "problem" is not defined. So some are nodding their heads saying yes there is too much illegal immigration. But other are nodding saying it is a paper work nightmare trying to legally get into this country. Others are nodding their heads saying this crisis of kids trekking across Mexico and getting dumped at the boarder is deplorable. EVERYONE of these are distinct problems with completely different solutions. Please label the "problem" you want addressed right now. We need to discuss the solutions separately. Any other way and we are heatedly talking past each other building steam for no good reason.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    New to Utah: That writer has nailed it precisely! Every point is exactly correct. And the DN editorial board is way off target. What a sham for the SL Police Chief, for example, to publicly state he will not enforce immigration laws. And this within a city and newspaper whose citizens and readers are largely LDS which church teaches to "obey, honor, and sustain the law". And I am an active Mormon.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    Why pass new laws when the President doesn't enforce the old ones?

    CNN poll has only 35% supporting his handling of immigration.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    The "Utah Compact" does not require that me abdicate law and order. It does not require that we open our borders to all who want to walk across. Unlike what some posters seem to claim, the LDS Church is not lawless nor a disrespector of law.

    It is the DEMOCRATS who are advocating that our laws are meaningless.

    It is the DEMOCRATS who have decided that Arizona, California, and Texas will pay for the costs of all illegals who cross the border.

    It is the DEMOCRATS who refuse to abide by the laws passed by Congress (which is the only branch of government that has the authority to pass any law) and to accept Obama's self-appointed legislation to circumvent our laws so that more Democrats can be elected.

    It doesn't require a degree in rocket science to follow what Obama is doing. He has corrupted our laws to suit his purposes. SOME people allow that. If we all allow that, we have no right to claim that we are a free people who believe in the proper rule of government.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Oh, I forgot to add that I fought in Korea, got a college degree and worked for 40 years as a mechanical engineer. Our three children also graduated from college and our son obtained a Masters in Industrial Engineering and along with four others formed their own company that employees 100 people. Unfortunately these illegals coming across our southern borders won't have much of an opportunity to progress up the economic ladder and will be a drain on the welfare roles. They will all vote democratic until our nation implodes.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 5, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    We have a Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land. It specifically states what authority each branch of government has. It has authorized ALL legislative authority to Congress. That means that neither the Executive Branch NOR the Judicial Branch has any legislative authority. Obama is claiming that HE has legislative authority. Who gave him that authority? The people did not nor can they without an amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution did not. Any additional authority that he claims to have is a figment of his imagination.

    It's time that the people of America REQUIRE all branches of government to act ONLY with the authority delegated to them by the people through the Constitution. No President can claim additional authority simply because he was elected by a majority. The Constitution is still the Supreme Law of the Land. No other "law" supersedes it.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    The children are being sent here because people are telling them that the United States are not enforcing laws.

    I read the articles with Biden and Kerry in the Deseret news.

    Compassion is helping others honor and sustain the laws of the land.

    "If your neighbor commits an evil upon another of your neighbors, you are under obligations to see that the person who has committed the evil be suitably chastised, as much so as though the wrong had been committed upon you. Now this is hard to believe; but if you wish to correct people, and lead them to life and salvation, what difference is it where the evil is committed, or upon whom? Is it not the duty of a minister of God to correct evil and take it from an individual or from the people, and place them upon saving ground, whenever an opportunity presents itself? It is the duty of every individual. " Brigham Young, vol. 8, pp. 364-368 JOD

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 5, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    My mother was born in Canada, my father in England. They settled in southern California, accepted no welfare, starved thru the great depression, obtained US citizenship and finally owned their own home thru hard work. They also spoke English which helped. They also obeyed all laws of the land and participated in elections and knew all about the Constitution. Obama disobeys the constitution at every opportunity.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 5, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    The number of comments here that simply regurgitate the outright LIES of the neo-conservative hate mongers is appalling.

    Blame Obama? No way.

    Blame Congress? Now you have it right.

    Blame the haters? Nah. They're too dumb to know any better.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    I'm all for people having their own ideas and philosophies about any particular issue out there. But when it starts negatively impacting the lives of unwilling non-participants, I say it's time to take a step back and look at sanity and fairness. Many academic and ecclesiastical "authorities" are quick to rush forth with their opinions and are hardly ever reluctant to voice their positions. However, when it also involves everyone else, the opinions and positions of everyone else are not only relevant, but should be considered foundational and fundamental. I'm all for charity, but "charity" implies VOLUNTARY proactive participation, not confiscation and violation. Think about it.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 5, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    It is interesting and revealing that the Tea Party people can so easily change their minds about immigration according who benefits from illegal immigration. I don't recall seeing any road blocks for immigrant workers and their cheap labor. Children aren't worth much to business.

    To recognize the Tea Party people, just look for those wearing and carrying the American flag.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Wilf 55


    And let us emphasize that the Mormon Church supports the principles of the Utah Compact on immigration. (Church News Release, 11 November 2010).
    12:42 a.m. July 5, 2014



    Because Utah Mormon Republicans soundly rejected it,
    thus proving they will choose their Political Leaders over their Religious Leaders.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    With all due respect to the "compassion" of the LDS Church regarding families (and I'm a member), I was under the impression that we believe "in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law." What are the limits of "compassion?" If there are none, close down the Border Control, do away with immigration requirements, and, while we're at it, guarantee immigrants (read: invaders) free social services for life.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    The problem is that if Congress does anything of substance to fix immigration, the far right will immediately accuse them of cooperating with the President instead of taking the approved obstructionist stance. Let's face it. The only thing that the far right will endorse involves door-to-door police searches, demands to see everyone's papers, and the immediate transportation of non-citizens to their own country. The logistics of doing this to eleven million people makes it impossible, of course, but that's not the issue. They want it done despite the fact that millions of sudden housing vacancies would be devastating to our economy and the housing market. And how would we fill millions of low-paying jobs? Are there throngs of citizens waiting for the chance to mow your lawn, bus your table, flip your burgers and clean your house? What happens to all the crops that will go unpicked and to food prices when they rot in the fields.

    This is a problem with no easy solutions, and it's going to require cooperation from both sides of the House and Senate to fix it.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    I wonder how we could "reform" immigration so that the cheap labor lobbyists would like it?

    Lets face it; if we do pass a "new" immigration bill it won't be enforced. Obama has, today, the authority to solve the immigration crisis. He chooses not to. WHY pass a "new" law?

    Business interests (oligarchs) wouldn't be satisfied until EVERY worker (except them of course)winds up making $5.00 per hr.

    Is that what Obama wants?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Republicans are caught in a Catch-22:

    "We oppose the President taking more executive action, but we're unwilling to do our job, because it may cause internal conflicts in our party, and make us look bad in the next presidential election".

  • JackV brookline, MA
    July 5, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    If you break into my house by force and without permission then you are my enemy. The territory of my motherland is sacred to me and is a core component of american identity. Is it ok for americans to go and invade neighboring countries to find work? Immigrants must come legally and peacefully. Otherwise they are not immigrants but criminal trespassers.

  • ZorroPC Park City, UT
    July 5, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    The recent influx of thousands of Central American children crossing the border is just the latest symptom of our broken immigration system. False. In is do the the Obama administration outright refusal. To enforce our existing emigration laws. They have change the reporting standards to make it look as if they are deporting folks they are not. The ones that are caught are subject ti catch and release. We need only secure our border and enforce employer sanctions already on the books. If they cannot get a job they will not come. People do not sneak into Disneyland if they cannot get on the rides.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    My family and I immigrated from Canada 18 years ago. We jumped through all the flaming hoops: paid all the fees, filled out all the forms, took all the photos required, worked, paid our taxes and were able to gain citizenship in due time. Immigration should never be free to any country. Even in cases of asylum. People need to get to work ASAP and be held accountable to go through the due process or be deported. Yearly check-ins and tax filing - or be deported. Stay out of the criminal justice system - or be deported. Stay off welfare - or be deported. They should pay for a tracking device, maybe, so they don't go AWOL and skip out before the due process takes place. Maybe pay into a perpetual immigration fund - or be deported. There are ways to be humane about immigration and still make immigrants accountable and contributing. Everyone deserves a hand up - we need to stop with the hand-outs. If people want to be in this county badly enough, they need to invest blood, sweat and tears and money in this country, not the other way around.

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    I don't know why Obama wanted run for the office of Chief Executive of the United States. He doesn't execute the laws of the United States, including the existing immigration laws along the U.S.-Mexico border. He should have stayed in the Senate where the legislative responsibility resides, because all he seems to want to do is promote legislation, as if passing a law were sufficient to feel like he's accomplished something, instead of enforcing it.

    There's no likelihood that President Obama will enforce a new immigration law any better than he has enforced the existing immigration laws.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    Obama has shown extreme partisanship and used this issue to fundraise so inspite of the points made by the board. It is the Democrats that are 90% responsible for reform not proceeding. Harry Reid has been such an intractable force of political posturing by not allowing reasonable legislation on reform even be taken up by the senate. I believe the Utah delegation has been diligent and wants to develop a compromise and have put forth legislation to accomplish this. I have personally visited with staff of congressional delegation both locally and in DC and they tell me that it is Harry Reid and his partisan posturing and disdain for the House Republicans that is the log jam. Obama has raised a lot of money for liberals by attacking and distracting to score political points and not leading and compromising and getting something done.

  • 1hemlock Tooele, Utah
    July 5, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    The government has been set up with checks and balances. The founders set it up so that it would be "hard" to enact/change laws. That is a good thing. This prevents (or tries to prevent) abuses and unintended consequences. Why should Congress do anything with immigration if the President will then change and implement what he wants, when he wants or ignore portions of the law entirely. For example(s) Obamacare has had over 70 exemptions and changes to the law (so far) implemented by the President. These changes are significant and are not part of the law that was enacted. "Fast and Furious" was handled similarly. What about the IRS scandal where "something was going to be done" (after the fact) but where the laws were flaunted in the first place. Also the surveillance issues that our government has with its own people and other countries.
    There is no trust of the President by the Congress to follow the laws that ARE enacted.
    What does the editorial board suggest be done?

  • hobbs pleasant grove, UT
    July 5, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    I think you are missing part of the point. I think most reasonable people including those in Congress what to solve the immigration problems. But I personally think it starts with actually securing the border first for the following reasons :1) the stress it creates on our infrastructure school, social services etc. 2) the diseases carried by those coming here illegally 3) but most important the threat to our national security, without a secure border what will stop terrorism from coming into our country a cross our southern border. Once the border is secure and it is independently verified, then let's discuss what should happen with those here illegally.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 5, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    Despite your editorial the Republican congressional leadership is not going to allow a vote on immigration this session. That means that at the start of the next session the bill that passed the Senate is no longer active and the Senate will have to start all over. Depending on the compositions of the Senate this may no longer be possible.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 5, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    Well the DN is once again beating the drum of Amnesty as advocated by the Church and Business. The senate bill languishing in the House is doing so for good reason. It is an amnesty wrapped in comprehensive feel good gobly goop. Immigration law could be improved but the real problem that now exists is ENFORCEMENT. Witness the crossing of all of these kids. The American people have demanded that the broken government secure the border and enforce the laws. Neither has happened. This is all about future votes and fact is if all of these illegal's are given a pass you can welcome a socialist state.

  • JackBuckeye Marysville, OH
    July 5, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    The Obama administration arranged for this latest humanitarian crisis. The DHS procured buses in January of this year for this "spontaneous event". Radio broadcasts are taking place in Central American countries advertising about this opportunity to head north. The Mexican government has opened up its southern border to accommodate this flow to the U.S. permitting these "refugees" to pass through Mexico as long as these people do not get off the trains heading north. The Democratic party is looking at developing future voters dependent on the government to create a one party state.

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    July 5, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    I don't see a need to pass more legislation. Why? Legalizing problems doesn't solve problems. We wouldn't legalize murder to solve the problem of too many murders. So why take that approach with immigration?

    We have too many US citizens unemployed, too many aliens supported by public system, too many schools educating children of illegal aliens, too many prisons overflowing with illegal aliens.

    Instead of passing legislation to make illegals legal, why not get the illegal aliens out of the country? Let other countries handle their own job crisis, poverty, education, criminals, etc. Instead of using tax dollars supporting aliens, use tax dollars to employ our own citizens building border fences and getting illegals deported. Separating families? Let them take their children with them.

    In this case, President Obama is overstepping his authority. He has no right to take matters into his own hands. This is not an emergency. Whenever he doesn't get his own way, he responds by using executive order which is only intended to handle emergency situations.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    July 5, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    Why do we need to reform anything? They did not enforce the existing laws. It is all about greed and cheap labor. Forget about what this is all doing to the working middle class.

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 5, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    Immigration is a very complex issues. But our nation has faced tougher issues before and worked to resolve them. This type of resolution starts with dialogue. Our Congressional leaders must begin talking and negotiating a resolution to the immigration problems that have languished far too long. Our leaders were voted into office to address these types of problems. It is selfish of them to ignore or avoid immigration because it may affect their campaigns and election outcomes.

    We, the People, have the power to make Congress act. In the upcoming election, we can use the power of our vote to get Congress to act.

    On the other side of the coin, Congress is attempting to negotiate with a president that is hardly a trustworthy partner. I personally would not be surprised to learn that the administration has been advertising and organizing in South and Central American for children to be sent across the border to create just such a moment for the president to take executive action. For Obama to go around Congress is, in my opinion, unconstitutional and very foolish. But that hasn't stopped the president in the past.

    Obama and Congress should work together.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 5, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    The truth is we already have plenty of immigration laws which Obama refuses to enforce. What good will more useless immigrations laws do? Congress knows that and so do the millions of illegals coming across our borders! That's why they keep coming, because the can and so they do! Obama disingenuously blames congress and the Democrats swear to it! What hypocrites!

    July 5, 2014 6:35 a.m.

    I my opinion the congress should do nothing until the border is secure and we are convinced that this POTUS and his administration will enforce all immigration laws. Not just the ones they like or that will give them political advantage. We have made enough excuses for this inept and incompetent POTUS.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    July 5, 2014 5:29 a.m.

    It seems to fall on deaf ears, but the ONLY reform needed at this moment is the enforcement of existing law. Obama's ONLY desire is to overwhelm and force (a crisis shouldn't be allowed to go to waste)an amnesty like situation. What he is going to do, as an executive order, is the ONLY action he will ALLOW to pass through Congress. In other words, regardless of any reform bill that might come out of the legislature, if it is not as he dictates, he will refuse to sign it and claim that ~the Republicans are uncooperative and want only to make a political statement.~

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 5, 2014 3:08 a.m.

    Agreed. A republican Congress whose main aim is to mess up the President of the United States borders on the treasonous.

    The President's role is not to make laws, except in cases where the Congress will not act, and there is a situation whose remedy is overdue. If I would fault Mr. Obama, it would be for not acting on his own sooner, not for doing what must be done.

    Additionally, if people in several countries are sending us their children, we need to make clear to the the governments and the media of those countries to desist, and that we will send back every single child, heartless as it may seem to some.

    Although I support a way to citizenship for folks who have been here a long time and done the right things (after decades of our winking at them arriving), I strongly support the USA telling other countries to keep the folks who would come here illegally.

    I would even support the death penalty for murderers who are here illegally.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2014 1:17 a.m.

    Rarely is the real reason why immigration "reform" is never addressed. It is because the majority of Americans don't want it. Not because Americans are cruel and heartless towards people of other nations. It is because many Americans are suffering financially and can't find good work. The true unemployment rate in the USA is much higher than the 6% or 7% being reported. And working Americans know that allowing more immigration will increase the competition for jobs. And millions of these Americans have sent faxes and made phone calls to their representatives every time immigration reform comes up demanding that it be stopped.

    Most Americans probably really do want immigration "reform", but they don't want to do it when they are unemployed or under-employed. Americans want to be put back to work in jobs that are prosperous. THEN they will be much more open to immigration reform.

    Come on. Report the REAL reason.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2014 1:05 a.m.

    What we've been seeing is not "immigration" . . . it's invasion. Immigration takes place when entrants are permitted to enter a country, not when they simply decide to run the borders and take what they want. Time for the U. S. to wake up, stand up, and step up to stop the ongoing invasion of this homeland. Anything less is foolishness, weakness, and a recipe for disaster.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 5, 2014 12:42 a.m.

    And let us emphasize that the Mormon Church supports the principles of the Utah Compact on immigration. (Church News Release, 11 November 2010).

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 5, 2014 12:39 a.m.

    No excuses.....just seal the border first! And tell us, what has Obama ever compromised on...or what has he spoken with Congress about. Really, all he does is blame Comgress but he refuses to,to discuss issues with them,

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 5, 2014 12:33 a.m.

    Families need to be reunited back in their own home countries. The U. S. needs to stop the invasion of this homeland for the sake of our safety, security, solvency, sovereignty, and sanity. We need to be the final country on the face of the planet to rid ourselves of the goofy "birthright citizenship" idea, which encourages not only ongoing invasion but chaos irresponsibility. We need to have strong, honored, and defended borders, using the military if necessary to maintain these borders. While migrant guest farm workers may be needed for certain industries on a temporary basis, these farm workers workers should not be awarded free "social" benefits and citizenship by virtue to having visited this country. It's time to bring back something rational, fair, and workable . . . and demand that all entrants follow and respect the same rules that have been established by law for decades so that we can maintain our nation.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2014 12:19 a.m.

    Well thanks for not calling Obama a "squatter" like your columnist Liljenquist.

    I agree with your position on immigration. In addition to the points you enumerate I would add that we need to figure out what is going on in Latin America, to create this flow of souls north. And in particular, what is going on with this flow of children? What is going on? Is the United States doing things which are adding to the problem?

    We need facts. As for the House Republicans who are too terrified of losing their seats should they annoy the base, I say there are worse things in life than losing an election. Just ask one of those kids on the border in cement cubicles.