The law firm behind the Hobby Lobby win

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  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 7, 2014 6:08 a.m.

    We really need to be careful about pressing the limits of religious rights. We're seeing an invasion of people arguing that Gods law supersedes man's law. They are creating problems all over Europe and the middle east. These people, called radical muslims, are coming, and we need to defend against sectarian attempts to assert control over our nation.

    The Constitution protects the rights of individuals to select and practice a religion, but it also defends us against a religion being forced upon us.

    Freedom FROM religion is as important as freedom OF religion.

    We're seeing the advent of a new dark age descending on the Middle East. We need to keep it out of the US, and the Constitution cannot be abridged in this vital area.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Unapologetic and myopic hatred of all religion is precisely why the First Amendment and Religious Freedom Restoration Act are necessary.

    If you think it is acceptable to force a person or organization to pay for your free stuff, when it violates their belief system and you can do it yourself - then you are the perpetrator, not the victim. Passive/aggression is incredibly repellant as an ideological foundation. How can there be a "war on women" if the HHS mandate does not include any provision for male reproduction or contraception? How can female supremacists really believe that women are strong and competent when they mindlessly coo in supplication over Harry Reid's faux chivalry that demands that we be nice to ladies and give them free things (at other peoples expense) because they are just a bunch of Julias too frail to take care of themselves? Most women want empowerment, not patronization.

    Ultimately the "war on Women" meme is sort of like the "questioning Obama makes you racist" meme: It is really about the far left trying to divert attention away from its own blatant incompetence and intolerance

    July 9, 2014 12:04 p.m.


    You believe that religion is entirely fabricated. You have no proof of this statement, so please be honest about it.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    July 8, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    One day soon our constitutional law over government will be honored.
    Our blindness to violating each other's rights ended.
    You can't take life without due process/medical necessity: Life begins at the beginning, Bribery in any form cannot stand, Doctors with script powers are our masters not equal citizens.
    All of these Bad Behaviors Will Be Seen As Bad Behaviors.
    Now we are deceived/blinded to reality because of survival reasons.
    Survival reasoning/logic is what drives all life forms.
    We just didn't know Satan/instinct had control over our thoughts and choices.
    Something had to be the brains operating our existence. It sure isn't our conscious minds.
    The gift from God of how Satan accomplishes his task is here on earth.
    IBM Watson computer will prove, using science based logic, what our minds would never share.
    Instinct mechanism is and must be: Independent Artificial Intelligence Programs that protects status quo operations. It does not make moral judgments, so we could have choices. For us to evolve, we must embrace this gift from the creator of Satan/instinct.
    Do we want to be blinded to true reality forever?.
    No, repent and sin no more.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    July 8, 2014 4:22 a.m.

    @BlueHusky: Hobby Lobby's employees were never at risk for NOT being able to obtain either abortions OR any kind of available birth control. Hobby Lobby simply did not want to have to PAY for it. When did employees start to be able to force employers to PAY for healthcare? It seems patently wrong… as most of Obamacare is. It will sink us in more ways than one.

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    July 6, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    I think that this poster had it right:

    Bill Hatley: "Hobby lobby did not encroach upon anyone's right to chose abortion. They merely resisted be forced into participating in that choice."

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 6, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    I have a problem with religious businesses. Like the Chick-Fil-A folks who got active in politics then found that they had to recant - the impact on their Anti-Gay stance was quickly felt in lost sales.

    I like to think in scenarios:

    1) Mildred is told by her Doctor that she has a 90% of dying unless she aborts her baby. Tough decision. Should Hobby Lobby or the government have the right to make that decision for her?

    2) 18-year-old Julie takes birth control pills to control her extremely painful menses. Does anyone have the right to prevent that? How about 16-year-old Kimberly?

    3) If Hobby Lobby's health plan in California covers birth control and abortion, does Hobby Lobby use religion as an excuse to NOT provide health care benefits in California?

    Does Utah allow contraceptives in stores? Do Utah Mormons not practice planned parenthood? We sure do in California.

  • RULDS2? Colorado Springs, CO
    July 5, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    I switched to Hobby Lobby when I noticed a sign in their window that they do not open on Sunday, so employees can be with their families, and when I went inside, The Ten Commandments and The Constitution of The United States of America were framed and on display. I bought both!

  • Philippine Bonita Sammamish, WA
    July 1, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    Hoo by Lobby's minimum wage for full-time employees is $14 an hour- almost twice the federal minimum. Employees are free to spend their earnings as they wish. Do the math.

  • Philippine Bonita Sammamish, WA
    July 1, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Hobby Lobby's employees are still free to obtain an abortion or to use the RU86 pill, just as they were before. This has not changed. Their access to these procedures and methods was never denied. So what has changed? Hobby Lobby (an entity made of of actual human beings) is no longer forced by law to pay for this. Who do you think was having their freedoms denied here? I'm so happy that SCOTUS ruled to restore freedom.

  • Philippine Bonita Sammamish, WA
    July 1, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    Hooray! Hobby Lobby still offers many forms of birth control to its employees as it always has and has no problem doing. They are simply not forced to fund the murder of unborn children and the demise of fertilized eggs. I woukd not call this "control of women". This is not the "fabrication" of religion. This is a basic respect for human life.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 1, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Power over women? I take a look back at the last 40 years of American society and some of the changes that have occurred, some good and some leave me wondering. If an employer could say to their employees "I can provide up to 5 insurance perks in a basic health insurance package.....and after we hear from every employee we will take the top 5 choices"...would those people who didn't get one of their 5 in be okay with it? I mean at a certain point we have to realize that we cannot protect ourselves from every little situation that comes up, from a financial standpoint as well as a practical standpoint. Sometimes stuff happens to all of us. Just once I want to hear someone just say "I don't want help on this. I won't take help on this. I'm good". No pity pity me. No "you owe me this". No. Just "I will pay for this". Or am I a dinosaur?

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 1, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    This so-called "testing" of the limits of religious liberty would not be necessary at all but for governments enacting laws and regulations which unconstitutionally infringe upon those liberties to begin with. The First Amendment has been slowly eroded over time to the point where truly free speech is not permitted and not just in areas like public safety. Religious liberties are also under attack and government acts to infringe upon freedoms of expression in things as silly as professional sports team names, it is a sorry thing to witness. People these days really need to go read Mill's, On Liberty, and then realize that there is no right not to be offended.

  • Susan in VA Alexandria, VA
    July 1, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    My question is this: If Hobby Lobby is so against abortion or birth control that it feels acts as abortion.... then why does it #1 get most of it's inventory from China where state mandated abortion is a norm and #2 have monetary holdings in all the companies that produce these specific birth controls? This is NOT about Religion, it is about power over women and money. If it was truly about Religion, they would do neither.

  • YoungPuppy west Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2014 6:48 a.m.

    This is a victory for the religious right. But it is really a very narrow one. It really makes no real impact in the Affordable Care Act or most healthcare plans, or even really the health coverage for most types of birth control pills. Yes it does set precedent for possible future cases. But I wonder if the national reaction would be different if this was a different religion than Christianity? If Hobby Lobby gets bought out by an Muslim and that new owner starts to base some policy of the company on Islamic teachings or Sharia law would people react the same way? Or would they call the owner a terrorist? How about a company with Orthodox Jewish owner that wants to change his private company towards his religion?

    I just think it would be interesting if the national discussion would change.

    So congrats Religious Right you got a victory, enjoy it while it lasts. We will get you next year when Same Sex Marriage comes before SCOTUS and we will see how you are doing then.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    July 1, 2014 5:17 a.m.

    The Hobby Lobby travesty had nothing to do with religious liberty, especially for the people on whom Hobby Lobby's owners were able to impose their so-called "religious" beliefs and practices. It's sad that they were able to do so, and even more sad that they were able to construe this is in way as "religious liberty" when in fact it is religious tyranny by those owners. Truly sad.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 1, 2014 12:26 a.m.

    Sour grapes at this point, but it' s too bad there wasn't such a vigorous defense of individual liberty. Religion is entirely fabricated. Why should a corporation hold it's views of this fakery to a greater extent than someone who it employs?