@samson01Do the math again. $5600/mo does not equate to $100k.
Even after taxes you are looking at about $6200-6500/mo. That is a $1500 mo
house payment. Very resonable if you can get 20% down. On a 15 yr loan
you'd be looking at about a $250k home. No mansion but certainly a nice
Very entertaining comments. It is easy to understand how we have
become a slave nation to debt and status. Those who advocate a 30 year
mortgage, do the math, you will pay more in interest than the purchase price of
your house. Those that advocate the a greater percentage of income to house:
you spend too much on transportation too (status car) don't you? Yes, I practice what I preach, house payment ~ $1500/mo < 20% of our net.
Before you start with the wigwam/hogup comments it is 4500 sq ft 4 car garage
and separate shop on 2 acres. Save your money, luck comes to the
People spend way too much time focusing on reducing expenses and not nearly
enough time focused on increasing their revenues. Expenses can only be
cut so much - revenues can grow forever....Worry more about increasing
I agree that Dave's advice is a general rule of thumb, but it looks like
most people don't understand Dave's approach. Paying off your mortgage
early is baby step 6 in his plan. Step 1 is $1,000 emergency savings. 2 is the
debt snowball (i.e., pay off all non-mortgage debt). 3 is 3-6 months savings. 4
is 15% of income to retirement. 5 is save for your kids' college. Only then
you hit step 6 which is pay off your mortgage early. If you have
absolutely no other debt payments, you already have 6 months savings, you are
contributing 15% to retirement plans, and you're funding college savings
for the kids, what's wrong with the advice of paying off the mortgage and
getting completely out of debt? I'm not a hard-core Ramsey disciple in all
respects, but I have a hard time believing that anyone that does choose to
follow his plan won't be better off and probably way better off than most
people who choose not to.
Dave Ramsey gives general rule of thumb advice. It isn't tailored to
individual circumstances, but it is meant to be generally applicable. However,
it doesn't apply to everyone. Nevertheless, I disagree that his advice
isn't living in "reals-ville". If you are serious about financial
security (ie reducing financial risk) then you must make sacrifices. Depends on
what you want and are willing to do. His advice requires significant changes for
most people and it can be PAINFUL, but it is very possible. Do you want to have
a big house now or pay for your kids college? Do you want the fancy, new car or
no mortgage? It is a trade off. Also, paying off your mortgage early
instead of investing the extra money isn't about the returns. It is about
the risk. Sometimes the peace of mind of not having a mortgage outweighs (think
reduced risk or the perception of that reduced risk) the slightly less optimal
If your monthly payments total more than the standard deduction, it could lead
to significant tax savings. Please consult a tax adviser before pursuing that
I agree with many of the posts - Ramsey is out of touch with reality for most
people. The 25% number is hard to meet for most people in today's economy.
I listened to Ramsey for a week and I heard plenty of people talking about how
they pumped 75% of their monthly income into paying down their home loan and
Dave was all praise. Ramsey is a smart guy but alot of his advise is just not
living in reals-ville for most folks.
I disagree with the advice of paying of the mortgage as quickly as possible.By investing the extra money that would be required to pay off the
mortgage more quickly, the money is working harder and remains a liquid asset
that I can draw on in times of need.
The last two times we bought a house, we bought it with a 30 year loan. That
way we were guaranteed a low mortgage payment, in case of emergencies, but we
had budgeted to pay an extra $1000/month. The first time we paid off our house
(in 12 years), we never had an emergency, but it did come 2 years later, when I
had to be treated for cancer. It sure was nice to not have a mortgage. The
second house was bought with an $85,000 mortgage (we had a large down payment,
because we sold our house) with a 30 year mortgage. We were able to pay it off
in 3 years (we had a very tight budget). Once again our house is paid off, and
a year later I faced a whole year of chemo therapy. And again there was no
problem, because the house is paid off. Oh, and our income was just a little
over $100,000. I love the option of a 30 year mortgage, and if you pay it off
fast, it really doesn't matter if the interest is a little higher. In both
cases our interest was 7%.
If you are following the rest of Mr. Ramsey's advice, your 150K home with
your 20% down payment (yes, that takes some financial discipline too), now has a
Principal and Interest payment of $828 a month.15 year is great if
you can pull it off. Take a look at the interest savings some time. It will
astound you. You may find that you don't really need quite as much house
as you thought you did.The key here is don't buy more house
than you can afford. a few percentage points either way won't hurt you.
But if all your income is tied up in your house, the rest of your future can be
It's very unrealistic, it would work a bit better on a 30 year mortgage,
like you know, the rest of the world has. I like most of Dave's advice, but
there are a few things I disagree with him on. I stopped listening to him when I
noticed a trend that an above average amount of people calling in to his show
made in excess of 100k.
So someone making 100K a year is going to take home $5600 a month 25% of which
is $1400. The payment on a 150K house on a 15 year term at 3% is (w/Insurance
and taxes) Aprox. $1300. Seems pretty unrealistic.