'Saturday's Warrior' returns with new, contemporized 40th anniversary show

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    July 11, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    Listened to the sound track on my mission over 30 years ago. Saw the play last night and was deeply touched. I was able finally to put characters with voices. The production then came into context for me. We live in a dark, depressing, troubled world. Sometimes it's healthy to step out of it and into a "cheesy" uplifting world. I spent most of the time during the play admiring the incredible musical talents performing, not dwelling on the doctrinal discrepancies. Oh, and while we are on that note, does anyone truly know what happened in the premortal life and our sociality one with another? D&C 130:2 is worth pondering - just saying.

  • Nachtmerrie_in_Brugge Mesa, AZ
    July 7, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    Let's just thank our lucky star child that Parker & Stone haven't heard about our little musical. They would eat it for breakfast.

  • RULDS2? Colorado Springs, CO
    July 5, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    RE:SPANISHIMMERSED Good point! No offense intended. Obviously, I am eternally grateful to Elder Oelkers, Elder Black & Elder Forsgrin of the CA Anaheim Mission, who knocked on my door in Newport Beach, CA! I was pleased that when I contacted Elder Oelkers, out- of- the- blue some 30 yrs. later, he was not only still active, but serving as a Bishop. Likewise, it doesn't matter what calling, as long as we are doing our best to fulfill it. I know that the Lord knows each of us & that we are called to be instruments in His hands, according to His will. I am a "domestic(member)missionary" and have seen many miracles in my own neighborhood! That was just an excited mother talking, because my sons got to go to the same country their father & uncle, a former Mission Pres, served in, and where their unique personalities were well suited.

  • Nachtmerrie_in_Brugge Mesa, AZ
    July 2, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    'mancan,' you've got the wrong musical. Zero plans are presented in "Saturday's Warrior."

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    July 2, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    @RULDS2, Congratulations on a wonderful lifetime of blessings. Everything you listed are great in my opinion, except for one boast, about serving foreign.

    Everyone always wants to guess on mission calls, and they oooh and ahhh at the exotic foreign calls except when someone is called to St. Louis, Detroit, or Boise.. The one small saving grace to the domestic call seems to be if a language is attached, ie..spanish-speaking.

    Well, I think all mission calls are wonderful, and like Elder Scott believe some of the strongest, most capable elders and sisters are called to the United States and Canada to keep the roots of the Church strong.

  • SLCMom Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    This is really exciting! I hope it does very well in AZ, and that they will bring it to Utah soon. I would love for my children and all of our next generation to experience this show, the music and message. I remember attending Saturday's Warrior at Cottonwood High School to a sold-out crowd "back in the day". I returned with a non-member friend 3 more times. She requested to take the missionary discussions, was baptized & remains a stalwart member. This musical can and does change lives. It teaches core LDS beliefs in a clear and fun way. What a great alternative this show will provide in contrast to a certain "hit" Broadway show. Mormons must tell their own stories and explain their faith in creative, professional, artistic ways. If not, others will do it for them (as we've witnessed) Musicals are all the rage now. This is a great idea! Toi Toi Toi to all the performers.

  • Jay.Cummings Broken Arrow, OK
    July 2, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    I hope it turns out to be great. I'd love to see it in Tulsa, Oklahoma!!!

  • hc1951 Bend, OR
    July 2, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    YAY! I was privileged to direct the music for the original in Brisbane, Australia in 1976. What wonderful memories! At least one future Bishop was converted from our little enterprise. Things get dated so I hope I can see the new show on my next trip to Utah!

  • crimendelsiglo Spanish Fork, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    as a teen i heard the term "pre-existence". didn't understand it then and don't yet. pre-mortal i understand and figured i coined that "word". that aside ---

    my gosh, Gravity, Oliver, Sleepless in Seattle, Annie Get Your Gun - they are stories/fantasy and sometime fun. my gosh, not doctrine. not something to incorporate into one's life and to guide you thru the next 40years and motivate you to get thru kindergarten. name a "love" story that isn't cheesy. i don't even know what that word means although i can imagine

    never saw Saturday's Warrior; never really even heard anything abt it

    but really, Much Ado About Nothing. Relax, sit back and enjoy life, but don't rain on other's parades

    cheesy ?

  • mancan HC, UT
    July 2, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    I hope they cleaned up some of the doctrinal mistakes. The last thing the Church needs is another generation of youth growing up thinking that their is a "one and only one" to marry. I had a religion professor at Rick College (before it became BYU-Idaho) who said, "That damned thing has caused me more headaches than anything else."

    And the way it presents the War in Heaven makes it sound like Lucifer really wanted everyone to be saved, and that his idea could have saved everyone if implemented. It should be very clear. There is only one plan of salvation, the great council in heaven was not meant as a brain-storming session to come up with ideas. We also need to be very clear in teaching about the War in Heaven that the Father of All Lies did not want anyone to be saved, and his plan would have damned all of us if we had all given up our agency and the ability to live by faith in Christ- the first principal of the gospel needed for exaltation.

  • donn layton, UT
    July 2, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    RE: The Caravan Moves On, “so how does these scriptures conflict with what Saturday's Warrior portrays. The musical opens in the pre-existence” VS,

    Jer 1:5 Christians believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything about each person before birth. The emphasis is on God’s foreknowledge (“I knew thee”), not humanity’s knowing God.

    In Job 38:4, God rebukes Job, “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?” Job 38:7 NIV …” and all the angels(sons)shouted for joy”.” In effect, God was reminding Job how Job wasn’t even in existence when the world was created.

  • bellsandbells Columbia, MO
    July 2, 2014 7:23 a.m.

    We played that music while the kids were doing the dishes, doing their chores, stacking wood...they could not get enough of it. They knew all the words to every song and to this day, as adults they talk about memories and the things they learned from that musical. I don't know how anyone could criticize the play and the message it brought to my children as they were growing up.

  • RULDS2? Colorado Springs, CO
    July 1, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    I was a "golden" convert/vocalist, who went to see Saturday's Warrior, The Original Stage Play, LIVE in Los Angeles,CA USA as a teenager; abt. 1976. It was phenomenal! It was the complete family I never knew, but always dreamed of. I cried through the whole show! I modeled my future family from it,"The Waltons" & a good LDS family who befriended me. I was accepted to BYU, blessed to marry a returned missionary in the L.A. Temple, earned my BA degree in Music, both sons were Eagle Scouts & served foreign LDS missions, both daughters received YW Medallions, all 4 graduated from Seminary, put themselves through college, married in the Temple, and we just celebrated our 34th Anniversary with 6 adorable grandchildren! I even got to play the role of the "Mom" in our Stake Musical version. Now that may sound cheesy to you Jimmy, but I'm telling you, having seen what the world is like these days, I'm eternally grateful! I'm looking fwd. to seeing the updates; the orchestra will be a definite plus!

  • Mrs TAP Bountiful, UT
    July 1, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    Exciting news! Will it be coming to Utah, per chance?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    July 1, 2014 8:39 p.m.

    will everybody lighten up. It's a musical--not a conference talk. It doesn't claim to be doctrine. The idea of meeting in the pre existence is a romantic idea which is fun to think about. They don't claim it's doctrinal.


  • jmason San Diego, CA
    July 1, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    This show is like candy. I like candy, but only in small doses. I saw it in 1974, when I had a greater appetite for candy than I do now. Don't think I'll see it again.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    July 1, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    @ donn - layton, UT - "RE: The Caravan Moves On,Whatever "false doctrine" the show portrays:

    “.. the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven. ( 1Cor. 15:46-47)

    For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence. God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)

    Through faith we understand that the worlds=(time ,G. aion)were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made =(receive being, G. ginomai) of things which do appear.(Heb 11:3)"

    Uhhh....so how does these scriptures conflict with what Saturday's Warrior portrays?

  • Gene Poole SLC, UT
    July 1, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    For those who think Saturday's Warrior is too cheesy... just add macaroni. Then it may suit your tastebuds. As has been said, this play/musical was intended to entertain, not preach pulpit-ized scripture adhering doctrine. Would Father in Heaven or the Savior condemn this play/musical? Don't think so. I know when I first saw the play and then several times thereafter, it was very supporting of my newly converted heart. Do I think there is a "one and only"? Hard to decide on that one. Most especially since I have become so deeply immersed in Indexing and Genealogy, it would be hard for me to consider happen stance in all of these families. I guess Adam and Eve just happened to show up on this planet by chance and all the families since them have just been a fluke. Yep, not possible that there could possibly be a plan in all of this. Nah. Just too ludicrous. What was I thinking! Am I thinking "doctrinally"? Probably not, but I do love my wife like she is my "One and Only".

  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    July 1, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Honestly, I'm a Mormon but I cannot stand this musical. It is just ridiculously cheesy.

    July 1, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    As a young boy I had a cassette tape of Saturday's warrior that I listened to often. I hadn't seen the play, so I filled in the gaps with my own imagination. For me the music and its message was very inspiring, and it made me want to be better. When I saw the remade movie years later (in my late teens), I loved it, in spite of cheesiness and "false doctrine" (it never claimed to be scripture). For those who choose to disparage Saturday's Warrior: "All things which are good cometh of Christ.... See that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged."

  • Well.... Phoenix, AZ
    July 1, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    Folks who keep talking about "cheesy"--you're confusing the original stage play, which was actually a very powerful and apparently well-done dramatic production in many places it was performed, with the woeful 1989 video Deseret Book still insists on selling. A remake would be a much better "legacy" for SW, and #1 on the wish list would be taking it off the soundstage and making an actual FILM out of it.

    BeeDub57--no, that "one and only" idea's been around a *lot* longer than SW. Look back to Nephi Anderson's novella Added Upon, written in 1898, for only one instance from Mormon culture. Blame, too, if you will, American idealism and romanticism itself. Well apart from Mormon doctrinal disputes, there are few notions more romantically intoxicating to American couples in general than "We were meant for each other." Yeah, SW taps into it (and yeah, it's doctrinally unsound), but SW didn't create it. Not by a long shot.

  • donn layton, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    RE: The Caravan Moves On,Whatever "false doctrine" the show portrays:

    “.. the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven. ( 1Cor. 15:46-47)

    For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for it’s very existence. God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)

    Through faith we understand that the worlds=(time ,G. aion)were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made =(receive being, G. ginomai) of things which do appear.(Heb 11:3)

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    July 1, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    It would be nice if the ethnic content of the play reflected the diversity of the modern church. The church has less members in Utah than in the combination of Mexico and Brazil, and less members inside the US than outside the US.

    The church is really growing in Africa, with more members in Africa than in Arizona, and more nations with at least 10,000 members (11) than in Europe (7) or South America (10). Why not make the convert, Todd Richards, from Africa? It would make the play more relevant, and give the play a modern twist on increasingly common LDS inter-racial marriages. It would also force the old timers to realize the church is changing, and perhaps get them to think about their views a little.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 1, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    Catchy tunes, great music, great humor and yes, false doctrine....
    It's all good.
    Lighten up folks...

  • loraleechoate Logan, UT
    July 1, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    I was in this musical for 2 straight years as a teenager. I can actually see much of what everyone is saying here. Yes, it is cheesy as all get out. It is outdated. It is sappy. It is unrealistic and there are doctrinal eyebrow raises in the plot. It is also funny, sweet and has powerful moments.

    For better or for worse, I still sing along when ever I chance to hear it.

  • cambodia girl Phnom Penh, Cambodia
    July 1, 2014 3:14 a.m.

    I remember seeing Saturday's Warrior at the old South High School with my family and my boyfriend, who was Catholic at the time. I enjoyed the newness of having a show about the gospel that was not "Promised Valley". (Although I enjoyed that as a child) I loved the music and thought it was great! My boyfriend said, (per my journal) "I can't explain how I felt when I saw those people waiting to come to earth. I have always thought we came from heaven but my church doesn't teach that." That opened up a nice and lengthy discussion.

    Cynics may scoff at the "cheesiness" of the show, thinking they are too sophisticated for such. Call me "cheesy" unsophisticated, or what ever you may, but I am grateful for the talents of those who want to create and now recreate something that has the possibility to uplift rather than degrade. I hope to see it again and this time with my children and grandchildren.

  • JohnMill Australia, 00
    June 30, 2014 7:04 p.m.

    Sure it was a bit cheesy but it also had a strong positive message and some great fun scenes and songs.
    As for the 'false doctrine' - I didn't consider it was doctrine at all. It's musical theatre, not a General Conference talk. If you are getting your doctrine from Saturday's Warrior then you have other issues to deal with.

  • anneray Kosciusko, Mississippi
    June 30, 2014 6:16 p.m.

    Nashville, TN: Hendersonville Stake Center, 1974. Our oldest son was in Taiwan on his mission. Our other son was assistant to a sound and production engineer friend. We had one baby girl. #2 son was at an audition at the stake center when someone heard him singing to himself. Resulting in our family auditioning the next week and becoming actors. Father, Mother, son and baby. It was really fun until we had an audience and my voice went away.....3 performances: Fri.pm, Sat. afternoon and night. Yeah, it was hokey but the entire cast had a wonderful time, and learned a lot. No tomatoes were thrown, no "boos' from the audience.
    I truly hope this production will be shown on BYU=TV! I for one will watch it and I will encourage my friends to watch. Oldest son now lives in in SLC Valley and 2 married grandsons live there as well, as do some friends who saw it in TN. I hope they all go and see it when it shows in SLC!

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    June 30, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    I saw Saturday's Warrior when it first came out in the 70's.

    Powerful, powerful and wonderfully uplifting story. Absolutely amazing.

    Whatever "false doctrine" the show portrays (if there is indeed any at all) it's dramatically overshadowed by the truth it DOES teach and the inspiration of the Holy Ghost it DOES bring.

    Don't like it? Fine, don't go, and just leave it quietly at that...

  • MaxxFordham OREM, UT
    June 30, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Oh,this is interesting. This year also has the 40th anniversary of Hello Kitty, and they'll be having their first Kitty Con in November, held in California! That might be pretty cute, especially for cute females to go to!

    This year is also the 40th anniversary of my birth (Feb. 23)!

    OH! And I know D.L. Walker (see the IMDb), a.k.a. David Walker (I don't know what the L stands for), who played Elder Green in the Saturday's Warrior video! He was in one or more (I can't remember now) of my multimedia classes at then-UVSC in '99 or/and the early 2000s.

    Mike A. Christensen

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    June 30, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    If you don't like it and have nothing but negative things to say about it, DON'T GO.

    I for one enjoyed in immensely when it came out in the mid-70s and have been looking forward to an updated version for years. Hope it comes to the Salt Lake area soon.

  • BeeDub57 TULSA, OK
    June 30, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    Because it's not false doctrine if the music is catchy.

    Seriously, this musical was directly responsible for the idea, which lingers stubbornly in the Church today, that each person born on earth has a "one and only" person that they're supposed to marry, an idea that the General Authorities have refuted over and over again. But hey -- romantic, right?

  • John Marx Layton, UT
    June 30, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Will zero population growth still be one of major concerns of Jimmy's grungy-looking teenage friends?

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    June 30, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    The original Saturday's Warrior was terribly cheesy, contained a substantial amount of false doctrine, and portrayed missionary work in a wholly unrealistic and naive light. I hope that this version is better, but I doubt that I'll be seeing it any time soon anyway.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    June 30, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    Fantastic that new generations get to share in this historic musical I first saw on an October evening of 1974 in the Kirkham Auditorium at Ricks College. The music, humor, and story lives on..

    June 30, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    Loved it when I first saw it, especially the humor. We need to be able to laugh at ourselves and it was great fun and sometimes poignant. Can't wait to see an updated version!

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    June 30, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Spare us please, first go around was sufficient.