Battle between Utah's rural counties and BLM intensifies

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  • truearrow CASPER, WY
    July 3, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Same Dan Love who was in charge of Blanding raids with more than 100+ armed agents and dangerous swat teams. He is the defendant in causing the death of Dr. Redd.BLM gave him an award for that-Tells you about him and the BLM mentality!!

  • S. Kane hyrim, UT
    June 30, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    You can go on and on about turning over fed lands to the state, but it will never happen. It's just a pipe dream cooked up by loons and peddled by politicians looking for votes who darn well know they'll never have to be accountable no matter what transpires. They can simply shift the blame. Federal resources are held in trust for the nation as a whole no matter if you are a oil poor state or an oil rich state --it goes into the same pot.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    June 30, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron

    I never said it was "a drag", I merely pointed out a financial reality. In truth, as an American, it's worth the money I pay due to Utah's lack of self sufficiency in order to protect our lands. We all know Utah is not creative or dynamic in terms of economic production - your state will simply open those lands up to environmental exploitation. As such, it's incumbent upon the people who actually pay to maintain it (Californians) to ensure that an irresponsible state, like Utah, doesn't permanently damage the land.

    Depending on the parameters used, a case can be made to support Utah and/or California as a well-run state. However, the debt-to-income ratios are roughly equal; plus our per capita earning is higher which means we're more prepared to actually pay our debt down. Now, if you include the monetary reality that California is a net creditor while Utah is a net debtor, a 1:1 system in dollars paid vs received would more than double Utah's debt and give California a $100 billion dollar surplus. We have debt because we have to pay for ourselves plus reliant states like Utah.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    June 29, 2014 10:52 p.m.


    Well, since funding federal lands in Utah is such a drag on the Federal Government, all the more reason to turn them over to us. Let us unburden the rest of you. The State of Utah can and will do much better than the Federal Government. For the past several years, Utah has been ranked in the top five "Best Run States in America."

    California on the other hand, has the dubious distinction of being recognized for the past several years as the "Worst Run State in America." But by all means, I would also favor California taking control of Federal Lands too. It's just hard to imagine that a state characterized by pollution, gridlock and soaring debt would be a better steward over the land than Utah.

  • Patriot Jim West Valley City, UT
    June 29, 2014 7:27 p.m.

    Back to the Constitution.
    The only - I repeat, ONLY - law enforcement powers mentioned in the Constitution is in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15, where the law enforcement powers are retained by the States for their Militia.
    The Simple solution is to just change the records in the County Court House to show that all of the land claimed by the BLM is vested in the County. Then let the BLM "go to court."
    The Constitution is very clear on what land the Federal Government may own --
    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings:
    The BLM Land is not a fort, magazine, arsenal, or a dock-yard, nor can they prove they bought the land with the approval of the Utah Legislature. They lose in court.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 29, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    Light and Liberty.

    Is government your enemy or your friend? By what measure do you make your decision?

    Is your plea to "gun toting rural Utahns" a call to arms?

    Are the people in today's world any different than those who've gone before?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    June 29, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    Harrison Bergeron - The federal lands in Utah never belonged to your state. Plus, Utah has never even paid to maintain the lands within it's borders. If the lands are "returned" to anyone it should be to the state that has been paying to maintain said territories since day one: California.

    Utah is a net debtor in terms of federal dollars paid vs received. Your state isn't even self sufficient and California, a net creditor, has been subsidizing your state since inception. The land was never Utah's, Utah never maintained it, and Utah never paid for it.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 29, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Every service provided to people by their government, local or federal, uses equipment, supplies, goods, purchased from private business. When local governments provide the service, these things are purchased from the people who are the favorites of the local government, thus putting the profits into the pockets of local businessmen. The main thing about government at any level is that the government gets to decide who gets rich.

    It doesn't really matter which government provides the service, the taxpayer foots the bill. The only thing is that the level of government decides who makes the profit.

    The sheriff is elected by the business interests who control the county government.

    Federal employees from top to bottom are the same kind of people you find in any large organization, probably not more honest or crooked than any other American. My tiny bit of experience tells me that they may be more dedicated.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    June 29, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    "Perkins noted that BLM officers have stopped motorists for having gun racks and have demanded to look in coolers in campsites, among other things."

    Gee, I wonder why?

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    June 29, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    This problem - and a ton of others - goes away if Federal Lands are returned to the States. It's time.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 29, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    The local sheriff and county officials need to back off and check their own arrogance first! All to often a big fish in a small pond think they rule the world. Here is the reality check.....YOU DON´T RULE! There is always one fish bigger. If you want cooperation then you have to give it first. Suck it up and shut up and show respect and cooperate. If you think you are going to get a huge federal government hand out and get new truck, cars and offices then you are wrong. You just could be a part of the problem. The communities usually make money from these federal land when vacationers come to town. Then up the taxes on food and gas but I don´t want my federal dollars going to your area that I will never use.

    Sorry but that is just how I feel about it because I had to deal with the arrogance and attitude of city and county officials. Just deal with it!

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 29, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    I do not support anything that the bundy's have done that is illegal and I do not support the federal government doing anything that isn't defined in the Constitution. That means returning all the lands that rightfully belong to the state of Urah and letting the states manage them as they see fit! If the people in this state continue to want it it both ways, the federal government will win the fight and a tyrannical government will then step in and take all their rights away, which will bring some, including some on this thread, joy! That alone should wake them up to the fact that there are those who want tyranny and love power just as much as those who have destroyed cultures and civilizations in the past! All you gun toting rural Utahns better figure out what your up against!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    June 29, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Apparently ULTRA BOB did not read the article. The search and rescue is not a money maker. It is a drain. That is the problem. The Feds do not pay taxes, but every time someone needs to be rescued on their land the Sheriff's office has to go save them. Imagine if the residents of Cottonwood Heights did not have to pay any taxes in Salt Lake County, but Salt Lake County was forced to provide police and fire protection to them. I think the Salt Lake County Sheriff would be a little miffed too.

    The Sheriff is elected by the people of the county. Thus it is hard to say they are the enemy of the people. Rather they are the enemy of arrogant bureaucrats in Washington who think they can run over everyone just because they work for a government agency. The founding fathers recognized the threat of an overbearing federal government and passed the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Unfortunately, federal judges realized that a large federal government gives them more power and have basically killed the 10th Amendment. The real enemy of the American people is anyone to limits their constitutional rights.

  • ldsironrodder Mount Vernon, OH
    June 29, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    We the People must reassert ourselves as we struggle to reign in the rogue Washington, D.C. agencies who, through fear and intimidation, are attempting to usurp the powers vested in the people through our Constitution. They do so because a FREE people are not easily controlled. I offer my heartfelt prayers to those in Utah who are standing against the tyrannical efforts by the powerful few to alter and destroy the sacred blessings we have received through those who gave us the freedom and liberty endorsed by our Creator.

  • Marquis SANTA CLARA, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    The BLM can be a cooperative friend or a thorn in your side, depending on who is the director in a specific area. Some people come in with an attitude of "we are the Feds, and we'll do whatever we want" and that puts local agencies, visitors, and local people in a position of having to put up with the attitude until the area director changes.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    When the federal government agencies are up against the avowed enemies of the national government it would be pretty hard not to have a cool relationship. It is the local businessmen and local governments that have soured the relationship with the federal government.

    Regards search and rescue, the federal government would have the best and most effective resources to handle that job, anywhere, anytime. The only reason that locals want the job is because of the profits in providing the service. We would be much better served if the BLM was made totally responsible for the administration and protection of the BLM land. The nomenclature of BLM land is used by their enemies rather than the real name of Public land. In truth these locals have declared themselves to be the enemies of the American people.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    June 29, 2014 6:35 a.m.

    This federal administration is a command and control/coerce brute force monstrosity. It is something that may well need to be reined in either at the ballot box or by citizens simply and in overwhelming numbers refusing to abide by its edicts. The BLM adds nothing and detracts plenty from liberties. It needs to go.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    Utah Legislators and Sheriffs are people we know, and trust, and can throw out of office if they misbehave.

    BLM officials, although they claim to be "just obeying orders" have demonstrated to the Sheriffs and County Commissioners that they cannot be trusted, or perhaps that the local BLM guys might be okay, but that their Washington, DC, overlords cannot be trusted and do not want to cooperate.

    The BLM is among the most arrogant of federal agencies, or perhaps driven by arrogant leaders, and the massive display of militarized force against the Bundys in Nevada is proof enough of their goal to intimidate, and crush any who dare not knuckle under their decrees.

    The fact that the Forest Service and National Parks get along fine with Utah leaders and sheriffs really pinpoints the problem, and it is not in Utah!

    If the BLM keeps up their adversarial tactics, they may find it hard to do any sort of business in rural Utah- fuel for their vehicles, food, restroom access, rental properties, even utility service might become unavailable for a variety of reasons.

    Tyranny can exist at any level in a government, but free people usually resist. Peacefully.