Priesthood blessings equally available to all, LDS leaders say in new statement

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  • Michigander Westland, MI
    July 2, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    We have over 720 ordained deaconesses per Romans 16:1-4 in The Church of Jesus Christ (WHQ: Monongahela, Pennsylvania). They have always been a tremendous help to our brethren in the holy priesthood. Hard working women filled with wisdom and knowledge are more valuable than silver or gold.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 1, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    To "elliottpj" I don't want to sound flippant, but who are you to judge the LDS church? Aren't you making an "unrighteous judgement"? Do you know the hearts and minds of all LDS members, do you even know the heart and mind of 10% of the church?

    How can you judge an entire church based on one small sample? That is like saying all Jelly Belly only makes cherry flavored candies because you ate 1 cherry jelly bean.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    July 1, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    Women will officiate in Priesthood duties someday whether in this life or the next it doesn't matter. A trip to the temple and paying close attention will confirm this. It bothers me that people are offended at the mere thought that women could officiate in priesthood duties. "We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things…." Where's the believing in all things?

  • elliottpj Two Rivers, WI
    June 30, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    It was Joseph Smith show said "while one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy, the Great Parent of the universe looks upon the whole of the human family with a fatherly care and paternal regard." Instead of love and unity, nothing but scorn and discord. This is no longer the church I once embraced but one full of meanness and unrighteous judgment. No reason for me to stay.

  • Patrick Henry West Jordan, UT
    June 30, 2014 8:18 p.m.

    No matter which side of the fence you stand on this topic, it's just sad how it all turned out.

  • Anonyme Orem, UT
    June 30, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    riverofsun said, “Sad for the young women/girls in the LDS Church. These girls attend their Church meetings now because their families insist on such.”

    Do you have any data to support this preposterous claim?

    “As these young girls become older, more educated, read LDS history, and heaven forbid, study and learn about the rest of the world...they will have many questions. . . . Females will have become strong, insist on knowing, and no longer be frightened about pursuing the answers.”

    So millions of faithful LDS women around the world are too uneducated, weak, and frightened to ask the hard questions? They've never learned about the rest of the world? Do you realize how patronizing that sounds?

    “This is the way women of our world are progressing now, and it will be no different in LDS Utah.”

    Bulletin: Women outside and inside “LDS Utah” are already strong and knowing. I can't speak for everyone, but it's my guess that the vast majority of LDS women don't need someone to tell them how they should feel about the Church. Improbable as it may sound to you, smart and strong women deliberately and thoughtfully choose membership in the Church.

  • ironman1995 minneola fla, 00
    June 30, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    But i will say change is part and will always be part of the LDS church , its just each person has to decide weather each change is from God and his leaders .And to follow blindly is like driving down a long road and having missed the dead end sign .

    Most in the LDS church don't even know about most major changes in church history that has and was taught as hard core doctrine then changed into so called theories .

    Like when Brigham Young ordained his youngest son John Willard to be a apostle on Nov 25 , 1855, John was born Oct 1st 1844, do the math , age 11. And when Snow died , john Willard was senior apostle .
    Joseph F , changed church policy because he did not like him, and changed the policy of presidential succession.

    So the church does whatever it wants to do, it is ran by imperfect men .

  • ironman1995 minneola fla, 00
    June 30, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    I joined the church at age 17 back in 1975, went on a mission at age 19, convert .
    Looking back i had no reason not to distrust or question anything that i never heard of .
    But move the clock 30 years in the future , now i have learned more in 3 years than the last 30 about the church .
    I cant nor will i ever try to change or control anyone or there faith .
    If being a mormon makes you happy, be the best one you can.

    i know I am grateful for everything i went through and my freedom from the LDS church and only wish those who are in , just be happy and love .

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    June 30, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    To all who question this or any principle of doctrine, I recommend the age-old tested solution: Search (the scriptures), Ponder (what you have read deep in your heart), and Pray (asking your Maker to give you enlightenment). That is the only way you can know of a surety whether you are moving forward toward truth, or backward toward apostacy.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 30, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    To "UT Brit" Actually Brigham Young said that the blacks would be the last group to receive the Priesthood. He never said when it would happen, just that they would be the last. Being last does not mean it would be during the millenium.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    June 30, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    "All Kate Kelly was asking was for the leaders to PRAY about the issue. They wouldn't even meet with her and discuss the issue."

    The answer has been given on the matter, and considered settled by a large majority of active members of the Church.

    I don't think it is customary for Church leaders to meet with you because you may have a problem with an answer that has already been given.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    June 30, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Again, the only voices I see supporting OW are from those that already dislike the Church. This is a non-issue for the majority of Mormons because we understand how the Priesthood works. Any within that may be struggling with this I advise you to speak to your leaders who would be happy to answer your QUESTIONS. To those from without, I am sorry you dislike us so much. I, however, feel no ill will toward you. The only reason I bring it up is because some people seem concerned that this will affect many members - it will not. I have yet to speak to one active Mormon who is struggling over the OW movement.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    June 30, 2014 10:45 a.m.


    All Kate Kelly was asking was for the leaders to PRAY about the issue. They wouldn't even meet with her and discuss the issue. Personally, I think that in the not too distant future, we'll be reading another essay saying: "we were wrong..."

    Why do you care how the church is run if your not even a member? If women get the priesthood are you going to join the church?

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    June 30, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    @UT Brit

    Even if he said it would never happen, Brigham Young also said that the words of the "living oracles" overrides what was said before.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    June 30, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    RE:IrishLDS, Ordaining women to the priesthood would change many things, not just about the church, but about our theology too. Past changes:

    Qualifications for Bishops. ”They should have one wife(1Tim 3:2). Qualifications for Elders, They should be married to one Woman(Titus 1:5-6). But,
    Qualifications for (Melchizedek)Without father, without mother, without genealogy, he has neither beginning of days nor end of life but is like the son of God, and he remains a priest for all time. (Heb7:3 Net)
    “…because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood (Heb 7:24 NIV).“

  • UT Brit London, England
    June 30, 2014 8:32 a.m.


    Brigham said that black people would not be able to hold the priesthood until every other man had it whether they be dead or alive. So basically after the millenium.

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    June 30, 2014 4:13 a.m.

    It is interesting that a man needs to hold the priesthood to enter the temple and experience ordinances there. A woman doesn't have that same need. That could be understood as a compliment to women.

    Ordaining women to the priesthood would change many things, not just about the church, but about our theology too. Currently, women are set apart to callings under the direction of the priesthood and they act in those callings which authority, and if righteous, with power. Why do they 'need' the priesthood?

  • IrishLDS Castleknock, Dublin
    June 30, 2014 4:06 a.m.

    Sister Wixom visited our stake recently and spoke at a fireside held on a Thursday evening. She spoke with great power, bearing testimony of the plan of salvation and the restoration of the gospel. I was very impressed by her insights and the spirit that I felt. She did not lack power. The mantle was very obvious.

    Reading the letter sent to Kate Kelly shows us how much power she had inside the church ... power that he has now lost. That is the most ironic thing of all. That, and that a former missionary should lead so many people away from the church now. It is sad and I hope she returns.

    The Lord leads this church. It is wise to let him lead.

  • EnglishAlan Rugeley, Staffs
    June 30, 2014 2:00 a.m.

    Happy Liberal, The difference you feel between the "Mormon Church" and the "Modern world" is that the "Modern World" can please itself. The Church has to follow the guidelines set by the Lord. The "Modern World" is always popular, as it has no restrictions. The Lord's way has restrictions. (Protections.)

    You state that members should continue to question, and yet if I question "Gay Rights," for example, I am a "bigot," "homophobic," etc. Why can't I question the "Modern World" in the same way that you say I should question the Church? I still face the same opposition.

  • CabezaMan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 30, 2014 1:02 a.m.

    There is no question in my mind that women and men will equally share in the blessings of the Priesthood. We learn this in scripture and temple work. However, in this mortal life women are blessed with a role that, although shares in priesthood blessings, does not include its formal ordination. In this earth life, the formal ordination of Priesthood authority has multiple purposes. One of which is to differentiate and identify our basic roles on this earth as God intended. There are plenty of knowledgeable statements here that clearly demonstrate a full understanding of God's plan. I would encourage doubters to investigate further to truly understand. There are also those comments that demonstrate the world is gathering within its grand and spacious buildings.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:36 p.m.


    Brigham Young saying that Blacks could not hold the priesthood when he was alive and blacks never holding the priesthood are two different things.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    So many rationalizations and revisionist history.....

    Basically, this line of discussion will never go anywhere.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    June 29, 2014 7:49 p.m.

    "I hope that women members of the LDS Church continue to question why they are not able to participate in experiences that their own 12-year-old sons are entitled to."

    I am sure there are but most don't even think about it.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    June 29, 2014 7:47 p.m.

    "Would the priestesses and women in position of power in the Bible have their positions taken away if they were living today?"

    There are women in the Church with positions of high visibility today. Eventually they are released from their callings eventually.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    AV: Sonia Johnson was an academic loner without the use of social media who was removed 35 years ago. Kate Kelly is a feminist human rights attorney with media savvy and a large media following. Personally I would give this a year or so to see how it plays out...I have a hunch that you might not be able to draw a line under this incident.

  • redhat Fairfax Station, VA
    June 29, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    BY: "blacks may not hold the priesthood "

    SWK (1978):"all males may receive the
    Priesthood "

    FP(2014):"only males may receive the
    Priesthood "

    FP(TBD): "?????????"

    When the prophets speak, the thinking has been done"!

  • jzwillows willows, ca
    June 29, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    Commentor asks why Kate Kelly's position is so extreme. I, LDS, propose an answer-considering the varieties of doctrines that have been taught in the Church, even concerning women & priesthood, the idea of women holding the priesthood isn't terribly extreme but that's irrelevant since it's not whey she was excommunicated. She was excommunicated for proclaiming to the world that the sexist Church leaders are wrong in not allowing women to have the priesthood & for organizing others in the Church to follow her rather than their leaders.

  • jdog777 kanab, UT
    June 29, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Okay.... the scriptures declare it, the bishop and stake president declares it, and the general authorities declare it. Is there any question on the doctrine? Can we all move on now? OM doesn't think so. They still think there is still a chance God will change his mind on the matter.

  • DjAction USA, UT
    June 29, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    @#28 cjb- You are correct that certain outspoken members can be valuable to an organization, but let's not confuse outspoken excommunicated members with those with honest questions. Kelly was not excommunicated for being outspoken with a question. She was exed for persisting with her teachings after she received the inspired answer NO. Honest, teachable questioners, like Joseph Smith was, DO show good value.
    You are wrong that black people were not listened to or that church policies were a mistake. The LDS leaders took the question about blacks and the priesthood seriously, but sometimes timing is the critical factor. God's answer was NO at the time. For whatever reason that only God knows, it was not time for them to receive the priesthood. So, the question is, do we believe in God's timing for what He wants with the church? And do we believe that the prophet is God's mouthpiece? I know that the prophet does speak for God and that God does listen to honest questions. I encourage you to question for yourself through prayer.

  • DjAction USA, UT
    June 29, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    @#21Steve C Warren- I know what you probably meant, but just to clarify to prevent misunderstanding. The LDS church leaders do NOT believe that the priesthood is reserved for males only, only the ordination to the priesthood. They clearly state here that the blessings of the priesthood are available to both men and women, as part of Gods plan

  • AmericaV Huntsville, AL
    June 29, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Nothing new to see here with Kelly. We've seen it before with Sonia Johnson. Same thing.

  • Bendana 99352, WA
    June 29, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    "I just read the Kelly woman's response in another news source and it appears that she still doesn't get the message Gods laws don't change."

    Well he seemed to change his mind on black men holding the priesthood and polygamy (here on earth.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    I personally remember only one other time that came close to the current level of upset...when black men were given the priesthood. That time the word came straight from the prophet and still my workplace at the time literally shut down for the day as members tried to come to grips with how such a thing could be. The much the same arguments were advanced: "but it written in the Scripture (Pearl of Great Price)" and "how can you change the unchangeable". When change begins to happen, it is hard for everyone because it seems that there are always "winners" (the "I told you so" crowd) and "losers" (the "but I thought change was part of human existence?").

    Finally is it the Utah school system or the Common Core that teaches: "You can add by subtraction" or neither?

  • Carson Provo, UT
    June 29, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    "Interesting that so many of these stories generate comments about wheat and tares. The problem has always been that some of the tares who make these comments think they are wheat".

    For us who follow the Biblical Christ we Know that following a lie or false prophets makes one a tare.

    The Bible States that All Belivers hold a Royal Priesthood ( True Biblical Belivers). It also shows that no Mormon male holds a valid Priesthood! Don't lose your eternity for men, or a Church that doesn't have the power, or authority to save your soul . Only Jesus saves!

  • sharrona layton, UT
    June 29, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    RE: Benedito ,”beliefs and practices that go against the Holy Writ.” True,

    The Priesthood of all Believers, Martin Luther. “.. you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” (1 Peter 2:9 NIV). i.e…,

    “A royal priesthood”, follows the Septuagint Version of Exodus 19:6; the Hebrew has "a kingdom of priests." The word "royal" means that God's elect shall sit with Christ in his throne.

    In(D&C 84: 6-17) the line of priesthood is given from Moses to Adam. verse 13, Esaias, who lived in the days of Abraham. Esaias even a Greek held the priesthood in the days of Abraham.

  • R Quin Ivins, UT
    June 29, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    Women who think having the Priesthood will improve them somehow, do not understand the purpose of the priesthood. Men are give the priesthood to elevate them to the level women are already at. So when a women want the priesthood she is actually stepping down to a lower level. Women already have the spirituality and desires to serve along with many other attributes men do not have. They come as a complete package. Men however do not have these and it is through our constant use of the priesthood that we can develop these. We have to use the priesthood as a crutch to serve others. Without the priesthood we are much more selfish and unwilling to serve others unless it is convenient. Women will go out of their way to serve where most men will not. This is a general statement and some men are more sensitive and do not need as much help as others, but the Lord set this program up to help us all return to live with him again.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    I suppose the interesting thing about this statement is what it doesn't say. It doesn't assert it as doctrine. It doesn't say that women will never hold it. Because of that I'm not sure this'll really change anything regarding those who've had issues with this since I think they're largely going to interpret this as "I already knew what the status quo policy was".

  • anneray Kosciusko, Mississippi
    June 29, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    The small branch in our town was closed and we were scattered to other towns. Because we have only 1 priesthood holder here, the church to which some of us were assigned is an hour away, through the country on curvy roads....we do not have access to priesthood blessings. I have now lived in MS for about 30 years and I have not yet had a home teacher. Our missionaries were pulled out, 2 of us ladies can drive (both have old cars and have been told by doctors NOT to drive out of town), we are cut off from the church. Not one visit from our local church leaders....the road goes both ways! "If you need anything give me a call," by email. I have been Young Women President, RS counselor several times, very active in Nashville, TN; SLC, UT; Austin, TX:; been to quite a few temples, etc. We are now old, what do we do? How do we get help? This is now into the 2nd year of this, I want to go to church but cannot.

  • mattwend IDAHO FALLS, ID
    June 29, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    When I was little, I was jealous that my brothers passed the sacrament and I could not. I have a better understanding now of my value as a daughter of God. I have served in ward council where my bishop had tremendous respect for we sisters who served. I never felt I was "in charge" of the organization I was asked to lead. I felt a tremendous weight of concern for the children and teachers I was to serve. Priesthood provides no individual with power. It provides Heavenly Father channels for His power to serve the people of this world. At the same time, it is not meant to be used alone. When blessings are given, at least two serve together. Modern society is making men obsolete. Who needs them? Women can provide for themselves, can bear and raise children on their own, with very little input from men. The First Presidency indicates men and women are of equal value. But both men and women need to be partners with each other.

  • mattwend IDAHO FALLS, ID
    June 29, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    The Church is out of touch? Many of the stories in the bible would not hold up very well to modern standards. Think of the story of Esther or the story of Ruth. Would either be honored in this modern society? Certainly not! This modern society seeks to honor greatness. As if one person is actually better than another. The bible tends to honor humility. The fundamental issue Kate Kelly misses in her efforts to gain priesthood power for herself and other women is that priesthood really isn't about individual power. It is about serving others. Where is the humility and love for her fellow man and woman? Her priesthood leaders must have anguished over their decision.

  • jzwillows willows, ca
    June 29, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    One thing for sure - although Kate Kelly did not get the priesthood for the ladies she did dictate a change in curriculum - constantly hearing about the women and the priesthood-over the pulpit, in the magazines.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    Re: Benedito "Kind of worrying seeing some comments that suggest the Church has to accomodate its policies and views to the public clamor on behalf of beliefs and practices that go against the Holy Writ. "

    To gain admittance to the union as a state the Saints had to drop plural marriage and their various United Orders, i.e. adopt American capitalism. So clearly to a degree the LDS Church has had to adapt to external pressures.

  • Agent Gazman the 12th Tamworth, 00
    June 29, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    @ cjb
    YOU SAID Before black people were allowed to hold it there were outspoken LDS who challenged the church to change. For a long time they weren't listened to. Now the church has admitted this was not of God and was a mistake. Given that church policies aren't always right and that outspoken members of the church are sometimes right.

    My question to you is when have the Church ever admitted this? Also what do you mean Church Polices aren't always right? Whatever the Prophet teaches/prophecies to us it is of God if he teaches us anything different he will be removed as Prophet.

  • Benedito Beijing, PRC, 00
    June 29, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Kind of worrying seeing some comments that suggest the Church has to accomodate its policies and views to the public clamor on behalf of beliefs and practices that go against the Holy Writ. Discussing themes such as ordaining women to the priesthood at the worldly level is clear evidence people have lost their testimony of the Gospel. Instead of arguing with Church leaders, doctrines, etc., why not asking God directly. It seems we have forgotten the basic James´s instruction about asking God if we lack wisdom. As the First Presidency has stated, no problem with asking; however, be prepared to heaar and accept the answer. Testimony is not a matter of one´s making up his or her mind -- it is a matter of opening one´s mind and heart to the truth. I do recommend some reflection on the words of John Taylor, when he said all government is a form of usurpation of power. The only power we should turn to is God´s. If we do that, ordaining women, gay marriage, etc., etc., are not an issue anymore. Simple as that.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    I have read a few post in here that say, "why can't they hold it", or "just let them hold it." These people post this as if the priesthood is like a sandwich. Hey, can you hold this. Many people posting on her don't seem to understand that this is a sacred ordination, key, passed down and given through a line or chain of authority if you will beginning with Christ. It is not just some material thing that gets passed down like maybe great grandpas watch. Just because you have grandpas watch, doesn't mean you can now do everything he did. To understand fully why this all happened the way it did, you have to understand the gospel of Jesus Christ. And for those who said the leaders did not talk or pray about it. How do you know and why is it any of your business. They don't publish every week what is talked about in their meetings anymore than you do at your work. They may have discussed and prayed and asked their local leader to inform Mrs. Kelly. We don't have all the answers except for the truthfulness of the gospel.

  • DavidSLC SLC, UT
    June 29, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    I'm not sure why Kate Kelly's position is so extreme. She is advocating that the church change a current practice and doctrine. Contrary to some of the comments which seems to say that a position of the Church should not be publicly questioned, history shows that the Church has changed positions and doctrine, and that objectively those changes were a result of outside pressures. The early Church opposed polygamy, then advocated it, then opposed it again at a time when it needed to get rid of it to allow for admission to the Union. Joseph ordained blacks into the priesthood, then the practice was prohibited, then at the culmination of the civil rights movement, the priesthood was reestablished. The church has even changed its tone with respect to LGBT issues within the last 10 years and, as a result of the internet, begun to discuss issues and questions which it had been silent on for years. Why is Kate Kelly so off in thinking that she could help to effectuate change in the Church's view of women like other people and forces in the past who were able to effectuate similar changes?

    June 29, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    I once saw a dog barking at the cars passing on the freeway. Thousands and thousands of cars kept passing by. He barked lower and louder - but the cars paid him no mind and just kept going. Eventually the dog lost interest and the cars on the freeway did what they always did - kept going by.

    Those that seek power over others or wish to have it given to them remind me of that dog. They bark and bark but the cars keep going by, They misunderstand that true power does not come from a written statement, from a demand or through an office or position - real power comes form ones ability to love another so much that they can help that person find happiness, hope and peace.

    And the meek shall inherit the earth.

    The rest is just barking….

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 29, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    Happy Liberal: You have no idea how happy it. Makes me feel to hear someone say how out of touch " in a modern world" the church is! This is real progress!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 29, 2014 6:48 a.m.

    True to the Faith Prophets and Apostles have stated the truth, again and again. What a blessing for those that practice those beliefs of love unfeigned. I love my wife and mother of our 7 children and 21 grandchildren. We could not do it all without equal support and giving 110 percent from both sides. She has two Master degrees and I have one. While in the military, I was gone years of time while she did everything physically, emotionally, etc for our family and children besides having callings all the time in the Church. She is stalwart and brave and true to the faith, after 46 years of marriage. Life is for us to gain experience and help us with preparation for living after this earthly existence. We all have troubles in life but are given gifts of scriptures, prayer to a Heavenly Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

    Thank goodness for the Prophets at all stages of time and the scriptures they have written by God's hand. They are for the whole world and all people that will listen to God's word, today, in the past and in the future.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    June 29, 2014 6:06 a.m.

    Suppose that I believe that I could be an excellent Mission President. Should I set up a website calling for me to receive such a call, I ask for profiles of those who believe as I do, call national media and go on talk radio and TV programs to make my case, and publish legal briefs regarding why the way church leaders make decisions is wrong?

    Or should I humbly pray for leaders to receive inspiration regarding their stewardships, humbly serve in the place to which I'm appointed with all diligence, realize that I can best become what God wants me to become by placing myself in His care, and be obedient, hard-working, and prayerful?

    I remember a seminary teacher when I was a teenager say that no one should aspire to receive any calling or stewardship in the church. But we should all aspire to be worthy, so that if God wanted us to serve in a particular way, we could receive and accept such a calling.

    So my advice to this once faithful sister, live your life consistent with the blessings, and opportunities will come your way to become exactly what you are intended to become.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    June 29, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    My apologies to vinniecat. I see that you are referring to budgets of 8-11 year-old programs. I will try to explain the disparity. Cub Scout awards are a part of the budget for boys of that age. In the wards I've lived in, the awards could be taken out of the formula and the two programs would be very equal. In some cases, the program for girls would exceed the boys. It's left to the discretion of leaders. And women leaders participate in the submitting of budget requests. In any case, the point is that budgets are set at the local level, not by Salt Lake higher leadership.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    RE: Gildas "The differentiation in the roles of women and men is taught in the Bible from the first, the man to lead in righteousness, and the woman to bear precious children and hearken to the counsel of husbands who devote themselves to their Father in Heaven."

    If, however, one goes to the PBS Frontline production "Jesus to Christ," one finds that women were absolutely central to the survival and growth of early Christianity. At least during that era it would appear the model: women follow righteous men who follow God wasn't they way things worked during the first two hundred years of Christianity.

    In our current time women can be a force for good, but only if they can lean on each other to nurture and raise children. So I think Ms Kelly is missing the bigger picture.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    June 28, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    Interesting that so many of these stories generate comments about wheat and tares. The problem has always been that some of the tares who make these comments think they are wheat.

  • Fleurette Canada, 00
    June 28, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    I don't mind the opinion of the world. This is not a « world church », this is the Lord's church. I feel and understand my role in his plan, as a woman. And I am far from feeling less important, or less blessed, or less recognized for what I do and for what are my responsabilities as a woman. Each of us, women and men, were given their own responsabilities and role in this plan. And I am also happy to share the blessings of the priestood with men in our Lord's Church. Everyone can share these blessings. The day will come where we will all understand why our Heavenly Father's plan was designed the He designed it. I am also thankful to be guided by a prophet who stands by the will of the Lord.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    June 28, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    The contention is against Jesus Christ alone who chose twelve apostles, all men, and not six men and six women. Did He look down on women? Not at all. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene when resurrected and spoke to women regularly on a personal and respectful basis. While He commissioned His disciples to teach the Gospel to all the world he never advocated ordaining woman, of any nationality, to His Priesthood.

    The differentiation in the roles of women and men is taught in the Bible from the first, the man to lead in righteousness, and the woman to bear precious children and hearken to the counsel of husbands who devote themselves to their Father in Heaven. Many scriptures could be cited to show both equality of men and women in worship but not in priesthood leadership in the Church or in the home. Both men and women can, and should, however, lead by example and sound teaching, and there is no leadership more effective.

    The scriptures are replete with examples of exemplary women though none held the priesthood.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    June 28, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    Richie said:

    "I just read the Kelly woman's response ..."

    THIS is exactly why women feel that the LDS Church and LDS members don't value women. You couldn't even be bothered to call her by name: "Kate Kelly". Instead you denigrate her with your comment" "the Kelly woman".


    I agree with you for a change. Very good comment.

    All Kate Kelly was asking was for the leaders to PRAY about the issue. They wouldn't even meet with her and discuss the issue. Personally, I think that in the not too distant future, we'll be reading another essay saying: "we were wrong..."

  • Poqui Murray, UT
    June 28, 2014 8:29 p.m.

    Comparisons of the Blacks and the Priesthood with Ordain Women are apples and oranges. There had been dissent within the LDS leadership regarding Blacks and the Priesthood dating back to B.H. Roberts (who felt that there was no doctrinal reason for blacks to be withheld the priesthood) but many of the Brethren felt it was not the right time. The decision to allow ordination of Blacks was tabled until there was unanimous support among the Apostles. When they seemed to be dragging their feet, the Lord stepped in and revealed to them that the time had come for this to happen. Even die-hard opponents of giving the priesthood to blacks admitted that it was not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN. No such thing exists today with Ordain Women. There is no high-level support for this movement. The OW movement will not lead to giving the priesthood to women as much as it will serve as a sifter of those who cannot support the idea that we have a living prophet. The wheat and the tares were allowed to grow together but the harvest is coming.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    June 28, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    I'm sorry I don't share your low opinion of women, or men for that matter.

    The prophets who lead the LDS church have to lead according to the culture and needs of the current people with whom they live.

    Did the times encourage policies and changes? Yes, I think that was a factor, but not the whole answer.

    I believe, like a good parent, God leads us starting where we are, not at some perfect place where we are not yet. I do know that the world swings more wildly back and forth than the leadership of this church has.

    I can't predict the future. What I can do is follow the counsel of the current prophet which, when I do, my life is happy, steady and grounded.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 28, 2014 8:02 p.m.

    "As for women new collectives can ease the responsibilities of child care, allowing women more freedom."

    I think you've inadvertently hit upon a salient issue. The reason females don't get the priesthood and males (boys/men) do is because:

    1 - Women bear children. Men don't. Bearing children, in some instances, is a full time job. Women can't be tied up with church leadership responsibilities while at the same time be expected to stay home being nursemaids to a house full of children. And you can't say, well, some women don't (can't) have children so why can't they, at least be ordained to the priesthood? Ans: That would be discriminatory based on family status and extremely difficult to manage.

    2 - Men (males) are more much prone to leave the church than women. This is a proven fact. Thus males need the added pressure in their youth to follow the correct path. Ordination to the priesthood and carrying out assigned priesthood tasks on a regular basis helps keep boys close to the church. Women don't need that so much.

    There you have it in a nutshell.

  • tesuji Bountiful, UT
    June 28, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    I'm sorry that some members think they need to tell God how to run his church. They don't even seem to realize how proud their hearts have become.

    I'm grateful for a wise prophet of God and his counselors. These kinds of official statements always feel perfectly stated.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    June 28, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    Several who have posted on here simply do not get the message: either you accept what the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve continue to teach us OR you do not. That is your choice. For my entire life of almost 68 years I have accepted and continue to accept what the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve teach and especially follow their every word at General Conference twice yearly. The rest of you can take it or leave it. As stated earlier, you can take it or leave it.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    June 28, 2014 6:16 p.m.


    As a Primary Teacher, I was called and set apart by one holding the Priesthood for that calling. I therefore teach my Primary class under that authority. I do not have to hold the Priesthood myself to teach in that calling. The same is true of my calling with the Scouts. I received that calling from the Bishop and continue in that capacity under his authority.

  • AnnMHouse Plano, TX
    June 28, 2014 6:14 p.m.

    President Monson has lowered the mission age for women from 21 to 19 so that they could serve missions earlier. He has said before he was president in a Relief Society General Meeting that women should get educated and be prepared to work whether they are married with children or not. When my children were young, I would try to get them a treat if they were behaving. Inevitably, someone would whine afterwards that they didn't get what they wanted or they want what their sibling has. If President Monson weren't such an advocate for women, would the priesthood be an issue now?

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    June 28, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    So Church Member you readily admit that you have never taken the missionaries serious nor the teachings they give. If that is so how are you able to accuse anyone of being close minded. The missionaries do not force or anyone to compel themselves to believe as we do. If you are earnestly seeking to learn then they will teach but if not nothing they do can or will change what you believe.

    The Holy Ghost is what converts not the missionaries or those who state they are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Until one seriously takes the test in Moroni 10:3-5 they can in no wise learn of the truth that stands before them. No ones testimony converts. Brigham Young took two years before he converted but it took a thoughtful study of the Book of Mormon before he did. The rest is history for him and millions upon millions that have been converted because of the message between its covers.

    If one has a solid belief in Jesus Christ one will believe the Book of Mormon.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 28, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    With all due respect, this statement seems to avoid answering some pertinent questions, seems to be a rationalization, and is somewhat self-serving. I understand the effort at being diplomatic, but is it enough to quell the controversy? Why, exactly, should the priesthood be limited to me? Is it necessary that only men have the priesthood as a core doctrinal matter, or is is really just a long standing tradition that has its cultural roots in another era? Is non-priesthood service truly on par with priesthood service, or is in inherently inferior? If it is on par, then why not just let women hold it, too? The reality is, this statement is saying "because we say so" and not much else. Finally, while I am not surprised by the result and saw it coming as did many others, I have to wonder if excommunication is appropriate. I've seen men commit crimes (mostly white collar) and never been disciplined by the Church. And having participated in church courts, I have no confidence in them or their fairness (something reserved for another day or forum).

  • Filthy Kuffar Spanish Fork, UT
    June 28, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    Some people on this board seem giddy that the church had some negative publicity over the whole OW movement. Let me assure our members and detractors alike, this is just a blip on the radar. God's church will continue to move forward just as steady and sure as it always has. Those who support Kate Kelly and her cause will surely be disappointed and will most likely fade back into the woodwork and either recommit to the Savior and His church, or will fall by the wayside and end up in the dustbin of history.

    Thank you, Brethren, for your steadfastness and for separating the wheat from the tares.

  • J.D. Aurora, CO
    June 28, 2014 5:24 p.m.


    "I have lived long enough to see the social trends pendulum sway from one side to another like a ship without a rudder. I am grateful to be aboard a steady ship in the LDS church."

    To believe this is to totally ignore polygamy and blacks in the preisthood. There is no doubt these changes came about through social pressure. The church's "rudder" will move toward women in the priesthood, but history tells us it will be a decade behind everyone else.

  • jliddle Dayton, NV
    June 28, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    It's disappointing that the Deseret News chose to characterize the action by Ordain Women as a protest without attributing that disputed term to a particular party. Ordain Women has never called it a protest. Contested language should be quoted, not cast in the ostensibly neutral authorial voice. Ignoring such distinctions damages journalistic credibility.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    June 28, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    No fit in SG - the majority of us don't need to feel better it was just a statement of clarification for those that still don't understand that the majority are not seeking the priesthood; plain and simple.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    June 28, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Sad for the young women/girls in the LDS Church.
    These girls attend their Church meetings now because their families insist on such.
    However, our society and our world is a rapidly changing environment.
    As these young girls become older, more educated, read LDS history, and heaven forbid, study and learn about the rest of the world...they will have many questions.
    Females will have become strong, insist on knowing, and no longer be frightened about pursuing the answers.
    This is the way women of our world are progressing now, and it will be no different in LDS Utah.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    June 28, 2014 4:52 p.m.


    My daughters were and are recognized each time they move from one young women's class to the next. They also have their new beginnings night. Our ward also had a special presentation for my daughter when she received her young woman's medallion. Boy scouts and young women are two different programs. Each helping the young women reach her potential and like wise for the Young men. Both programs have a once a year fund raiser.

    June 28, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    It is OK to have doubts and concerns. The church is welcoming of all. The key is that people should remain humble and teachable.

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    June 28, 2014 4:42 p.m.

    @ChurchMember - Your comparison is completely off. We preach the Gospel, teaching those that want to hear. She is trying to be in the Church while teaching against its doctrine. Please explain how excommunicating is hypocritical. You can't because it isn't.
    The only people I have seen post anything in favor of OW are those that dislike the LDS Church.
    Let this be an end to it. Any who have followed this false prophet have been warned.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 28, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    I certainly believe the statement by the Brethren, but, let's face it, neither they nor I "know" if the priesthood should be restricted to males only.

  • EMRGuy Puyallup, WA
    June 28, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    I feel very sad for the women having testimony struggles of the principles or having such fervor against what is taught that they would risk losing their membership. The questions you have been hearing as the argument are not the issue--it is the attitude and public exposure and going against "private" church council that is the issue. In essence, disobedience and willful rebellion.

    Just remember those who fear that damage has been done; it actually helps the Church strengthening what is taught over this and other recent stories. Plus nothing is going to stop the progress of the Lord's Work. I quote from J.S. in the closing paragraph of the Wentworth Letter:
    "...the Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear; till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done." {J.Smith Jr -- Wentworth Letter}

    To this I say, Amen.

  • RimCountryGranny Payson, AZ
    June 28, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    About 30 some years ago I got a letter from a son serving in Japan on a mission. He was teaching a young women the gospel. She had questions about why she wouldn't receive the priesthood. So he asked my help. I had recently served 4 years as Stake Young Women President & upon that release was called to serve on the Stake Activity Committee. I wrote back to him & said "I haven't worried much about not having the priesthood, I was too busy with my own callings." I am a convert of 60 years and I still feel the same. I love our Prophet and I follow him. Also the other leaders who have the responsibilities to the many they have stewardship for. I have been so blessed.

  • UT Brit London, England
    June 28, 2014 4:11 p.m.


    Thats not entirely true, an investigation into the churches history will reveal many things that have changed over its short history.

  • Mormoncowboy Provo, Ut
    June 28, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    Good point Jeannie - as a woman, which presumably you are, you probably know all to well what kind of pendulum swinging the Mormon ship would take if there were suddenly women in charge of the rudder. I'm with you, keep up the good work boys!

  • Frank Fourth New York, NY
    June 28, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    Being able to tell men what to do must not be a priesthood blessing because it is not equally available to women.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    "Please know you will be welcomed with open arms with love."

    What kind of message is that: you'll be welcomed if you stop thinking differently than the rest of us?

  • Poqui Murray, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    @Vince Here - The Bible does not have any priestesses, at least none that served the God of the Bible. The term "Prophetess" appears twice in the New Testament, once about Anna and another time about Jezebel. There are also a half dozen references in the Old Testament. In each instance, it refers to a teacher. Then there is Phoebe, the "deaconess" in Romans 16:1. The term here can be translated at "minster" or "one who ministers or serves others." None of these cases contradict what happens currently in the LDS Church.

    I'm also curious if anyone else notices the plethora of quotes from dead LDS leaders that the Ordain Women supporters are quoting. Have they not realized that quoting dead prophets to support your position in opposition of the living prophet is classical apostasy?

    "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."
    (Doctrine and Covenants 1:38)

  • Heidi T. Farmington, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    I always ask the question when reading the collective pronoun, "they." Example: "They" don't want you to know that." Or, "they" don't understand, "they" think women aren't as worthy as men. They "not ordained? What Priesthood holder can exercise the keys of the Priesthood without a wife who also has been endowed with the same Priesthood. Crazy thinking.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 28, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    Lucifer and all those spirits who followed him were cast out of heaven for rebellion. It is therefore appropriate that others who rebel should also be cast out as well!

  • FreSmo Cowley, WY
    June 28, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Every decision in the church is made by men. They hold all the leadership.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    Most people including me don't have a problem with women not holding the priesthood. Before black people were allowed to hold it there were outspoken LDS who challenged the church to change. For a long time they weren't listened to. Now the church has admitted this was not of God and was a mistake. Given that church policies aren't always right and that outspoken members of the church are sometimes right, it makes sense not to excommunicate them when they speak out. They are a resource that can at times act as a defense against group think. This is valuable in any organization.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Here! This woman who started the ordain women is an apostate, and has lost her testimony and deserved to be excommunicated! She was given every opportunity to repent and move on but she I refused.

    We have seen her story repeated so much in the church that it has become mundane........

    She has left the let's hope that she leaves the church alone.......but something tells me this was her plan all a long!

    The church is right.......the priesthood is for all and all enjoy the full blessings, now, today.....

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    Had Ms. Kelly asked for my opinion I would have told her to fly back to VA, attend the church court, and agree to take down her website - in essence doing what she was being asked to do. Why? Because she had made her point and continuing would be counterproductive. It already is.

    Kelly is practicing small ball. The situation faced by women in the world is full of conflict because they bear children, and because of that they must make difficult compromises with their own ambitions. I am convinced women and mankind can only advance now through many more cooperative enterprises of all types. Capitalism cannot deal with the environmental crisis nor can it deal with women's problems. We must develop new organizational forms to take us beyond current forms of capitalism and socialism. The cooperative alone can make things better.

    As for women new collectives can ease the responsibilities of child care, allowing women more freedom. The LDS church because of its communitarian history can be an ally in these explorations.

    Ms Kelley needs to use her talents in the larger arena.

  • karlmalone Syracuse, UT
    June 28, 2014 2:55 p.m.

    I have officially reached the saturation point on Kate Kelly and her issues. For anyone not realizing what is going on, she's been excommunicated not for asking questions, but for not listening to a clear answer given at least 3 different ways. She has gone beyond the point of inquiry into the point of defiance toward Church Leadership and the God she professes to believe in. That is why she was excommunicated. It's like a child asking for that cookie and being told "No" over and over again until they find themselves in a time out. Maybe someday women will have the priesthood, but it isn't going to happen today and won't happen until the Lord decides that is how it should be. Arguing more about it now is just rebellious. Time to put this to rest. I implore Kate, if she truly wants to be a Latter-day Saint, to quit appealing to the media, take down the site, and humbly seek to conform your will and desires to that of the Lord.

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    June 28, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    "Elder Oaks said that although they are not ordained to the priesthood, LDS women already act with the authority of the priesthood in their church callings."

    With all due respects to Elder Oaks, I think he is equivocating. How can women be acting 'with the authority of the priesthood in their church callings' when they're not ordained to and don't have the priesthood?

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    June 28, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    These sorts of statements will never satisfy those who seek to change the Church and its doctrines to win the praise of the world, but they expound true and correct principles nevertheless.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 28, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    Like leaders of the LDS Church, I, too, believe that priesthood is reserved for males and that the scriptures offer strong support for this point of view.

    However, it is only a belief. Church leaders and I are limited to saying "we believe"--not "we know"--when it comes to who should have the priesthood. That's because the Church's dreadful history regarding blacks and the priesthood has taken away the right to say "we know" on this subject.

  • Happy Liberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    I hope that women members of the LDS Church continue to question why they are not able to participate in experiences that their own 12-year-old sons are entitled to. The Mormon Church seems incredibly out of touch in a modern world, in my opinion.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    June 28, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    Part 2
    Humility, service, righteousness, love, obedience, and knowledge fill the hearts of those who lead. Pride, ego, self recognition, stubbornness, and coveting, motivate those affiliated with Ordain Women. It is so obvious, yet it is so very sad to see those who are so loved be so blinded by the craftiness of the one who loves to see followers of Christ turn away from the prophets and truth. I pray for there humble and swift return to the love of Christ, who again is the one who has not chosen to ordain women at this time.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    June 28, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    This is absolutely true. I love the men and women who direct and guide us through obedience to the principles of the gospel and by clinging fast to the organization as established by Jesus Christ. The current application of that true organization applied to the quorums of the Seventy is quite different than it was a few years ago, when quorums of Seventy were located in each stake. But now the Quorums of Seventy are only found at the General level of the Church. The Church changed under the direction of Jesus Christ, who could have at that time, declared that women can hold the priesthood. But Jesus chose not to direct the governing quorums to make such a change. It was not necessary then, and is evidently not necessary now. "Lift where you stand" and there is complete fulfillment and equal access to every eternal blessing. Thank you brethren for you inspired leadership.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    June 28, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    As pertaining to the LDS church's statement about women and the Priesthood: simple, clear, and truthful.

    Good job, Pres. Monson, good job!

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    June 28, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    I just read the Kelly woman's response in another news source and it appears that she still doesn't get the message Gods laws don't change.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    June 28, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    Nothing new here really. This is nothing more than a reiteration of what everyone already knew. The LDS Church is going to have to do a lot more than this to stem the tide of negativity that built up over the Kate Kelly incident. She generated a lot of publicity nationwide and internationally. From what I saw it was almost universally negative. This story will have no coverage beyond the immediate area and certainly will have no effect on that negativity. Standard pablum isn't going to do it. Between Kate and the 10th, the LDS Church had a very bad week.

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    June 28, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    A well worded response to Ordain Women and liked minded groups and individuals. Kate Kelly and those who support her position would likely be more at home in the Community of Christ Church. They have developed a more liberal restoration theology and they ordain women to the priesthood. If Ms. Kelly wants to regain membership in the LDS Church, her Church leaders have clearly stated what she needs to do to regain her membership.

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    June 28, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    The church presidency said in this statement that they are concerned about members who leave who then encourage others to question the church and potentially follow them.

    But when members join the church they are encouraged to share their beliefs with other and potentially get other people to join.

    Can the first presidency and its members see the hypocrisy in this thinking? That it is okay to send 80,000 missionaries out into the world to get other people to question their beliefs. And to encourage every member to be a missionary.

    But when other people try to share their beliefs (that the church isn't true) with LDS members the first presidency and its members are offended.

    i think it is great when LDS people try and push their beliefs on me. But they need to be ready and willing to hear about my beliefs in return.

  • exBOMgirl Orem, UT
    June 28, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    Hugh B. Brown was more forward thinking than the leaders of the LDS Church today.

    ”I admire men and women who have developed the questing spirit, who are unafraid of new ideas as stepping stones to progress. We should, of course, respect the opinions of others, but we should also be unafraid to dissent--if we are informed. Thoughts and expressions compete in the marketplace of thought, and in that competition truth emerges triumphant. Only error fears freedom of expression... This free exchange of ideas is not to be deplored as long as men and women remain humble and teachable. Neither fear of consequence or any kind of coercion should ever be used to secure uniformity of thought in the church. People should express their problems and opinions and be unafraid to think without fear of ill consequences.... We must preserve freedom of the mind in the church and resist all efforts to suppress it."
    March 25, 1958, BYU Speech, “MAN AND WHAT HE MAY BECOME.”

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    June 28, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Was this statement meant to make LDS women feel better?

  • Globetrecker Arlington, va
    June 28, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Bravo! Clear and concise statement for not only church members but the world, who has been so quick to jump on one side of the story.

    To those who have Ordain Women profiles, I would say this is your answer. Please do not "stand with John Dehlin or Kate Kelly". Standing with their cause and with them is openly and actively advocating against the church. It is sympathizing with apostates. Please remove your profiles and align yourselves with the Prophet who has spoken. It is so clear that having an Ordain Women profile on the public page is actively and openly opposing the doctrine and our Church. Please reconsider. Please know you will be welcomed with open arms with love. I ask everyone who knows someone who has an OW profile to be loving when they remove their profiles from the site and show increased love for their obedience to a prophet of God.

  • vinniecat Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    "All service in the church has equal merit in the eyes of God."

    I believe this. I want to see it in action in my church, though. If this is what we believe and teach, let's put our money where our mouths are. Let's dedicate equal resources to programs for our boys and for our girls. Our scouting program for boys gets so much more of our resources than programs for the girls of the same age and the disparity is most exaggerated when comparing programs for the 8 - 11-year-old set. Our children are watching and they feel it too. I have asked the question repeatedly why this is so and there has been no answer from my local leaders. Now is a good time to remedy this disparity. I have no good answer when my daughter asks why her brothers are honored at pack meeting and she is not.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 28, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Only the world, and those caught up in worldly affairs, would misconstrue something so simple to understand!

  • Proud L.D. S. Huntington Beach, CA
    June 28, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    I am so thankful for revelation and a prophet that understands and knows the will of God, but most of all I'm blessed to know that I can know for myself what they say is true. I don't need to be ordained to the Priesthood to use it in my callings in the church. I sustain President Monson and his counselors and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in the callings that they have. I know their are those that will say I'm brainwashed and whatever else they want to say, but I'm not.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    June 28, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Let this be the end of it. The Church isn't conforming to be accepted by the world.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    June 28, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    The underlying assumption of the Ordain Women bunch is based on an erroneous belief. They think they can change who gets ordained to the Priesthood the same way they would change a department store's return policy on a dress (or pant-suit maybe) they don't like. Arguing with the clerk will get you nowhere in this case. The manager cannot help either.

    You have to go to the owner in this situation. And the owner is God. They have his direct line, if they will use it. But they should understand that what they are asking is for Him to rethink His entire creation. It is like asking Him to change which gender has babies. Of course, with God, nothing is impossible. Though, it would seem like a more reasonable request to ask God for understanding about why He did things the way He did.

    " not to counsel the Lord, but to take counsel from his hand. For behold, ye yourselves know that he counseleth in wisdom, and in justice, and in great mercy, over all his works." (Jacob 4:10)

  • Vince here San Diego, CA
    June 28, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    Would the priestesses and women in position of power in the Bible have their positions taken away if they were living today?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 28, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    All service in the church has equal merit in the eyes of God. Your experience, however, may not reflect that. And they'd really rather you not point that out.

  • Poppa Alan Fruit Heights, UT
    June 28, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    The first time I heard of 'Ordained Women' I knew it would lead to loss of membership to those that created it and pushed its agenda. People speak of Satan's evil, such as stealing, murder, adultery, coveting those things that are not yours. (the ten commandments people!) but they don't recognize his greatest tool to bring us down is the struggle within. Whether it be within ourselves or as a group. This woman seems to feel that what she is doing is right, She says she still loves the church but she's wrong. She can't love the church when she is being manipulated by Satan. I feel so bad for her and all who follow her. Come back to the light!

  • jeanie orem, UT
    June 28, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    Very well stated by the brethren.

    I have lived long enough to see the social trends pendulum sway from one side to another like a ship without a rudder. I am grateful to be aboard a steady ship in the LDS church. As a woman I find the opposite of oppression in my membership and participation.