Letter: Political money

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  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    June 29, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Political money is tainted money.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 28, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    You have to be kidding me. How does Citizens United help the middle, especially those of us who don't have billions of dollars to spend? Sadly, more people need to be educated about the process, the court case, and our government. Amazing.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    So now mike Richards is comparing buying free speech, legislation, and congress is just like the same as buying stock?


  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    Does anyone really expect us to believe that Labor Unions have not funneled billions of dollars into liberal campaigns since at least FDR, if not earlier? Then, to add further insult, the liberals tried to stop free speech in America by telling you and me that we could not donate money to political campaigns. Liberals allowed Soros to funnel untold amounts of money to Obama and Obama told us that most of that money was $1 and $2 donations from millions of people. Sure, and Obama also told us that he didn't know Bill Ayers and that the IRS did not target Republican groups.

    The Supreme Court stopped the unbalanced nonsense. ANYBODY who wants to contribute can contribute. ANYBODY who wants to express his ideas, just like the Constitution promises, can put his money where his mouth is.

    That bothers those who thought that they could silence Republicans and Conservatives. That's alright. Even Republicans and Conservatives have equal protection under the law to spend their own money and voice their opinion -no matter how mad that makes liberals.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 27, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    This is one of the most ridiculous letters I've seen in a long, long time.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 27, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    Because the stock market isn't the same thing as the POTUS. I don't think the government should tell Warren Buffet, or the Koch bros how to invest their money in the stock market, that is a series of private individuals, and private companies, and the business they want to do is between two private parties. The problem I have is that by allowing unlimited donations, you allow certain people to buy the government, and use it as a tool against private enterprise that they don't like(The Koch Bros and Soro's are GREAT examples of this) That is why I disagree with this, by giving a small group of ultra wealthy people the right to unlimited political donations, you take the right to have a responsive government away from the rest of us.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Anyone can contribute to a political campaign. Many of us do. We POOL our money. We do the same thing when we buy stock. How many people would tell us that we can't invest in a 401K stock market fund because that gives too much power to the stock market. Nonsense. When people spend money, it is their own money. That money does not belong to the government. That money is not the property of the opposing political party. That money belongs to the individual. If he or she feels strongly about something, they have every right, as Americans, to spend their money as they desire. They have the right of free speech. Only those who wish to oppress freedom would argue.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 27, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    It doesn't matter if people are liberal, conservative or inbetween, this ruling gives more power to the powerful(Koch, Soros, Buffet, ya I got all 3 side in there for ya) and less power to the people who didn't have much power to begin with.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    June 27, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Personally I do not care if there is a balance between Soros and Koch or if the balance slips left or right. The point is that the only way MY speech gets amplified enough to be heard is if I swear my allegiance to one of them and gain access to their pocketbook.


    This reminds me of the "balance of terror" concept. That we are somehow safe if we live in a world where the big weapons are locked, loaded, and pointing at each other so that there will be "mutually assured destruction". That is not peace and the same situation with the parties and money is not speech for you and for me.

    Money is influence. Influence that is not due to argument and speech but to being beholden. We need a better way. One that does not hinge on our speech being mingled with that of "our" billionaire.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    When the author can prove that I have the same access of influence politically speaking of course and my communication is equally considered then come back to me that Citizens United is a fair deal. Face it folks, it's legalized corruption. Period. Using Soros and Koch in the same breath is not factually based. By the way, there were no bigger cheerleaders to the invasion of Iraq than your so called liberal media which is owned almost exclusively by those who benefit from Citizens United so please no more hacking.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    June 27, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    "A second source of 'free' campaign support comes from the overwhelming majority of tax-supported universities."???

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 27, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    Those who want power will do whatever is required to gain power. Blaming the "right" is a false concept. Unions have funneled money into elections for decades. Liberal newspapers have backed liberal candidates for years - all that we have to do is to search in vain for ANY newspaper in America that vetted Barack Obama before he was elected. They ignored every hint of scandal - the "help" he received to purchase his home in Chicago, his association with Bill Aryers, his wife's job at $300,000 per year that was not given to anyone else after Obama was elected.

    There are those who talk about Gadianton, but they ignore the corruption in the people whom they support.

    The letter writer is correct. The Supreme Court ruling gives moderate America a voice - which is something that the liberals in America cannot accept. They're all for "free speech" as long as they're the only ones speaking.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    LDS Liberal: "Obama ran Left-of-Center, and speaks leaning left, but when rubber hits the road -- he's almost Dead-Center."

    That would be extremely comical if so many on the far-left didn't actually believe that. He might be a bit farther right than marxist or Bill Ayers, but not by a whole lot.

    Obama is as far left of center as Ted Cruse is to the right. You can claim all day that he is moderate, that the media is unbiased, and the colleges don't lean left too - but that is just plain denial!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    @ Kora/Patriot

    How do you know how media and college professors vote? I wasn't aware that votes were made public!

    Cool! I want to know how my bishop voted! Or how about my next door neighbor!

    What website did you use to obtain this information? Tell me!

    Btw, if it's really true that the most educated vote democrat, isn't that telling you something? Shouldn't we desire to become well educated? And if that leads us to abandon the failed policies of the GOP, isn't that a good thing? I don't think we can survive another round of repub government expansion, wars, bailouts, and tax cuts for the rich.

  • Kora Cedar Hills, UT
    June 27, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    LDS Liberal- so it sounds like you are saying that it is better to be pro-illegal immigration, as Ted Cruz supports Legal immigration. He also supports healthcare, just not government control. Do you also believe it is better to be pro-pornography, pro-Communist, pro-poverty, I mean who wants poverty? Why is it better to be opposed to business and to having a military that guarantees our freedoms better. Would being like France when Germany ran through be better? War is sometimes necessary as President Gordon B Hinckley stated in April Conference of 2003, so why should we be completely against it? Our country would not exist without the Revolution.

    Also, Cruz is not against academics, just those that use their positions to push a political agenda which many do, and they force it down the throats of students, punishing those who challenge them.

    The truth is, the media and college professors vote heavily Democrat. In the Media it runs about 9-1, so how is that not Liberal? The Left needs to quit lying about the media and academic bias that they know exists. They want diversity, but not if it leads to more conservative voices.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 27, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    You know, if you were born, raised, and live your life in the sewer, you may not appreciate fresh clean air and water when you see it. This is how you need to look at leftists. The live in the "sewer" and don't know any better. Yeah some are a little deeper then others, so yes, you do have your extremists, by the fact remains, they are all still leftists.

    For those who don't believe in media bias, there is no hope for you. You are so far past delusional that you will never wake up. O'Reilly proved it AGAIN the other night, and the numbers don't lie. Most of the media caries democrat water for free, they don't even bother to charge for it.

    The only think you need to know about Citizen's United is free speech. Yeah leftists hate it when their opponents get equal time, but that doesn't make it wrong. Remember again...Free Speech!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 27, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Orem, UT

    Compared to the Nazi party Ted Cruse is a liberal,

    8:00 a.m. June 27, 2014



    Pro-Industrial Military Complex,
    Pro-Biggest Military,
    Pro-Daeth Penalty,

    Your persecption of politcal "left and right" doesn't add up.

    Obama ran Left-of-Center,
    and speaks leaning left,
    but when rubber hits the road -- he's almost Dead-Center.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 27, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Citizens United provides an avenue for moneyed interests to control the process.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Marxist: Compared to your perspective everybody is right leaning. But that doesn't mean that the media, many colleges, and Obama aren't pretty far left of center.

    Compared to the Nazi party Ted Cruse is a liberal, but that doesn't mean he isn't pretty far right (or are you are saying that it is OK to call him a leftist?).

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 27, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Liberal bias in the mainstream media is a legend. The media are as diverse as the American people. Use a stopwatch on any NPR political report and you'll find that equal time is given to all sides.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 27, 2014 6:59 a.m.


    Money is the evil of our political system. Our representatives, be they left or right, follow the money and not their constituents interests. The decision to allow corporate America or any group of interests to spend unlimited amounts of money on endless campaigns demean the democratic process, lessen the debate, and promote the unhealthy interests of pressure groups.

    We should do what most other western style democracies do. Publicly finance campaigns and limit the amount of time for the campaigns. Aren't we tired yet of endless ads, endless lies and endless corruption?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 27, 2014 6:13 a.m.

    IMHO --

    As completely wrong this letter writer can be can possibly be,
    At least now I have a better understanding as to the how's, what's and why's that leads many to support the Gadiantons Robbers.

    You are being deceived.

    Hint: Study up on Lucifer, Cain and Master Mahan...

    To Gadiantons --
    it's never an issue of "left" vs. "right" [as they hope and trick you to suppose],
    but rather
    always a "rich" vs. "poor" - or "powerful" vs. "powerless".

  • wingnutty Casa Grande, AZ
    June 27, 2014 3:02 a.m.

    Wow, just throw out some generalizations and you can make yourself believe anything, even that money in politics is GOOD.

    Liberal bias in the media is the first faux point. Facts have no bias.

    Colleges as well aren't liberally biased, they are fact biased.

    The problem comes around for republicans when they are trying to sell you lies. They are telling you the world is scarier every day when we are in fact safer than ever in history. They want to tell you we are morally failing when there are more opportunities and personal freedom for everyone than ever. So they will need UNLIMITED amounts of money to throw into politics to convince you that the world is dangerous and decrepit and they are the ones that can fix it for you.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2014 12:48 a.m.

    The writer has no idea what constitutes the "left." I am a leftist and as such belong to the Socialist Party USA. THAT and similar organizations are the left. We are not supported by any of the mainstream media. From our perspective the mainstream media and the universities are centrist to right wing. It is practically impossible to be appointed to a teaching position in a major university if one is known to belong to a socialist party.

    So Citizens United bulks up an already right leaning system.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 12:06 a.m.


    Here's a crazy idea...

    We get rid of all this dirty money in politics and allow the best candidates to win and the best ideas to be passed and signed into law.

    Why should special interest groups with dirty money for the right, left, or center be involved in governing?

    I just don't see the necessity of having money involved in politics and governing.