Hey Joe Capitalist -" . . . ..just check out your local welfare
office . . . "I don't have a need for welfare right now,
but if I ever do, I'll defer to your expertise and ask you to walk me
through the process. How much can you make on welfare anyway?
Yes, Tri Miller doesn't sound like a great place to work. But by the time
many found that out it was too late.How many other employees must be
hurt like that? How many other utah companies do the same thing? Would you be so
easy to shrug it off as, "meh, better luck next time" if you had spent
nearly 20 years working at a company that promised you benefits but cut you off
at the last second?It amazes me when people like Joe Capitalist bash
unions. Why do you think unions formed in the first place? They didn't
evolve out of a vacuum. The same greed and abuse that gave rise to unions in the
late 19th and early 20th century exists today. In fact, it's even more
prevalent. For too long we've allowed businesses to a use their workers.
The pendulum needs to swing the other way. A new progressive era to restore
unions, wages, and benefits is in order.
cjb: It sounds like Thorn Apple Valley is not someplace I would want to work.
That is why I want government to break down as many barriers as possible for
some other company to start up and steal all their employees away by offering
them a fair deal.Employers are only able to exploit workers when
those workers are unaware of what is going on or do not have other opportunities
available to them. In a truly free market, anyone who tries to exploit workers
would go out of business because their competition would get all the workers.We don't need a union to get fair wages and working conditions, we
need a better deal available across the street.
re Joe Capitalist2Continued from previous postYes unions
can be bad but they weren't spawned in a vacuum, they are the result of bad
companies.Now let me tell you my experience with my one day of
working at Thorn Apple Valley.I showed up at the appointed time.
When I got to the building and checked in, I was told to sit there and wait
which I did for about 20 minutes. Then I was given some overalls told to change
and to go to another building. I went there and put in my time. At the end of
my shift when I presented my time card to the supervisor to have him sign it, he
would only give me the time that I actually worked for him. He refused to give
me the half hour that I sat waiting around, changed clothes and walked to his
building.Further evidence that Unions and/or the threat of them are
still necessary. If not all the power resides with companies, who too often
don't care about being fair to their workers.
re JoeCapitalist2And now the rest of the story ..When I
was going to Utah State University I had a job with a temp company where I got
the opportunity to work at several businesses in the valley. Once they sent me
to a company called Thorn Apple Valley, a meat processing plant that used to be
called Tri Miller. The reason for the name change is the Millers used to own
the company but had to sell it because of a court judgment in federal court.Working at a meat processing plant is dirty smelly work. To help retain
workers Tri Miller offered retirement to anyone who would stay 20 years. When
workers got close to that number of years, they were being fired for
'various reasons'. Workers took this to Utah courts who did nothing
because Utah is an .. At Will .. state meaning a company can fire for ANY reason
and a worker can quit for any reason.Not getting justice in Utah
courts, this was taken to federal court where it was found that the workers
being fired so Tri Miller wouldn't have to pay for the promised retirement.
Utah is a right to work state which means you can quit for any reason and an
employer can pretty much fire you for any reason. They don't have to pay
you anything to leave.But other states with strong unions make it
almost impossible for a company to fire someone. That is a two edged sword. It
may make job security better, but can also cause a bunch of problems as well.Some companies are saddled with incompetent, lazy, or even hostile
workers who are hurting the company's bottom line and they can't get
rid of them. Paying someone to leave on their own is necessary in those cases I
guess.GaryO: You sound like just the kind of employee a company
would want to hire. Someone who wants a job where you do "not have to work
much at all", and is looking to quit as fast as they can extract a payout.
If you want to know where to sign up...just check out your local welfare office.
How do you go about finding a job that pays you $25K to quit?If you
could find and quit a few of those jobs every year, you could make a very nice
living . . . and not have to work much at all.Where do I sign up?