America should look beyond slogans and smooth presentations

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  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 26, 2014 4:06 p.m.


    I am not insisting on anything but when you look at a broad picture of years and years of governing we tend to look to our presidents as the real leaders weather it is in creating problems or solving problems.

    Furthermore I voted for Reagan but I believe his legacy is overrated when you consider he tripled the federal debt, something Obama will never do. Even Carter had higher job growth rates than Reagan and GDP growth rates were similar. Reagan would maybe fit in the middle of the previous four or five democratic presidents. Indeed that is better than any other republican president. It definitely can be a mixed bag and timing is important but on balance the nation does better economically under democratic presidents, I say again those are the facts.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 26, 2014 7:26 a.m.


    I blame Dodd/Frank. I did not blame Reid and Pelosi, but if you insist that Bush was the fault of 2008 only, then the team in Congress gets to go along for the ride. That is the only logical way to see it. If however, you blame the Republican Congress, during the Clinton years, then you must credit them for Clinton having a pretty good economy. You can't just pick and choose who you want to blame or credit for the good or the bad. All players on the field have to take some responsibility. As for economies being bad under Republican Presidents, I'm sorry to hear that you must have been in a coma during the 1980s. We had one of the best economies in history back then under a Republican President. His name was Ronald Reagan. Finally, history really is not relevent to today. Today, Obama has run up 7 trillion dollars in debt. That is a fact that could ruin the American economy. It's a brave new economic world we live in. Or, in the case of Obama, a stupid new economic world.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2014 7:01 p.m.


    I beg to differ with your assessment. especially your suggestion that Pelosi and Reid had something to do with the economic collapse of 2008 Think about it, the republicans controlled both houses for twelves years prior to 2007 including six year with president Bush. Absolutely no action taken during this time; in fact, non-action probably enhanced the housing bubble. So you now blame Pelosi and Reid. This is utterly ridiculous and makes no sense.

    On another note all the empirical evidence suggest better economic growth during democratic presidencies over the recent years or going back even 90 years, this includes job creation and stock market growth So if you have an IRA or are looking for a job think seriously who will best represent your interests.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 25, 2014 6:06 p.m.

    "...Mitt Romney had a plan for the 2002 Winter Olympics...".

    For starters...

    He didn't have people asking for his birth certificate...


    A legion of well financed people promising to sink his every effort from the beginning.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 25, 2014 4:39 p.m.


    Sorry, but those are not the facts. Some Republican presidents have done very well with job growth. And some Democrat presidents have failed. In fact if you look at Bush (W), he did quite well bringing the economy back from an inherited (from Clinton) downturn. And, he had the added downturn from 911. No one can claim Bush was bad for the economy during the majority of his 8 years. If you want to argue the 2008 crash was his fault, and only his fault I will remind you of Dodd/Frank signed by Clinton, and the fact that in 2007 Reid and Pelosi had control of the purse of America. 2008 was not a short term problem, but a growing one going through at least two administrations. And for the record, Bush is on the record as publically warning of the danger of the housing market and all the bad mortgages. But as I said, that fell on deaf Pelosi and Reid ears. You see, it ain't all Obamas fault, and it wasn't all Bushs fault.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 25, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    Once again the D-news editorial board fails miserably. How about some journalistic objectivity?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    The moral to the story is... anybody who casts Romney in anything but a negative light, will be vilified by some. Same goes for any article about Obama. Seems we have learned nothing.

    The partisans are as bitter as every... and he's not even running for ANYTHING! The mear mentioning of him makes them bristle with anger.

    I wish we were better than this.... but we aren't.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    June 25, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    To "louie" probably all the scientists that are NOT funded by the federal government to tell them that man is the cause of global warming.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2014 1:51 p.m.


    I wonder how many Cal Tech scientific types agree with your promoting Romney on climate issues, what a joke.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    What makes one think a republican agenda would produce more jobs when all one has to do is look at their track record. During the democratic presidencies job growth has consistently been better than under republican presidencies. You can go back forty years or go back ninety years. It does not matter, job growth has clearly been better with democrats and those are the facts.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    June 25, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    To "Midwest Mom" and what has Obama's wealth done for him? Remember Obama went to a private highschool in Hawaii, then went to an elite college before going to an Ivy league college. How many common people have had that experience? Obama doesn't even realize that most people don't have the funds to travel to Hawaii every year for a few weeks.

    Tell us, why is it that Romney who served as an LDS Bishop and worked with people that had employment problems, marital problems, health issues, and other problem is so out of touch with Obama who has never directly dealt with people like that?

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    June 25, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" and what has Obama done differently than the GOP?

    He is:

    anti-science (claims warming when cooling has occured)
    anti-environment, (pushes Ethanol which encourages bad farming practices)
    anti-minortity, (black unemployment rate is highest in decades)
    anti-healthcare, (health insurance benefits have DECREAED under Obamacare while rates rise)
    Pro-assault weapons, (Obama has given assault weapons to every branch of the Government)
    Pro-Death Penalty, (gave kill order for Obsama)
    Pro-War, (Obama encouraged or supported 5 separate new wars)
    Pro-Police the World, (Continues all Bush era international policies)
    Pro-Gitmo torture, (He keeps club-Gitmo running 5 years after being elected)
    Pro-Spying on Americans, (Made the patriot act look like a really clumsy peeping tom)
    Pro-Corporation (Obama's policies have benefitted his corporate buddies more than anybody else)

    You complain about the GOP, when Obama is doing the EXACT same thing and worse. So which is it. Are those things bad or not. If you just hate the GOP for being the GOP, I can respect that. However, listing things that the GOP does the same as Obama as justification for hating the GOP is not a respectable trait.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 25, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    If Romney were to run this Novemeber it would be a 49 state landslide for him. Americans were slow to wake up to the empty suit Obama, but they are at least waking up.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 25, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    @David 5:02 p.m. June 24, 2014

    It appears to me that the country examined Romney and Obama, recognized that they both were bad, and voted for the least worst candidate. Romney was much, much worse for the country than Obama could ever dream of being, even with the attempts by the far right to make him fail.

    Personally, I wish the country had done what I did -- write in a GOOD candidate for president. i wrote in Jon Huntsman, Jr.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 25, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    I don't care who the Republicans nominate. If the American people by now have not seen the error of their vote for not only Obama, but Democrats in general, and don't vote Republican next time, the country will be over as we know it anyway. Our debt and GROWING entitlements, both old and new (Obamacare. Border children. ect.) will bankrupt us or tax us so much that the producers will not bother to produce anymore. Human nature will kick in and the once great and unique American idea of individule achievement and progress will disappear. More sitting in the wagon than pulling it. Welcome to 2nd world America. Owned and paid for by China.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Substance over style in 21st century America? Thats funny. Tell me another.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2014 5:21 a.m.

    "America should look beyond slogans and smooth presentations"

    America did! Thankfully! That's why Mitt Romney lost in a big way!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 24, 2014 11:59 p.m.

    Judging by the amnesty stuff being kicked around, the refusal to increase min wage, the resistance to green technology, and the crushing of unions, I would say we have far too many businessmen in Washington DC.

    Let's get someone in there who cares about the people.

    I'm tired of everything being geared towards business.

    What's best for business is not what's best for people.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 24, 2014 11:54 p.m.

    Another Romney article???


    Dnews, how many times must such a tired retread Romney be rejected by the American people before you folks get a clue? We don't like him. He cannot win.

    Why doesn't the dnews actually promote a candidate who has appeal? A candidate who could possibly win? Why not promote someone who is actually from this state? Oh I don't know... Maybe a certain Jon Hunstman Jr?

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    June 24, 2014 11:46 p.m.


    Another attempt to push on us the man who was so clueless that he got completely pasted in Electoral Votes, while having no concession speech prepared?

    Another attempt to push on us the man who insulted much of America?

    Another attempt to push on us the guy who squeaked over to liberal positions to win in Mass., then got "severely conservative" for the convention?

    Mitt, in my observation, thinks he would be a good President, but it was Ann and mormon duty that pushed him toward something he quite obviously did not have his heart in.

    I can understand the want of lds people to have a mormon president, but you haven't given America a candidate it wanted.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 8:04 p.m.

    @John Katell, I can see that you're a glsss is 1/4 full type person whereas I would say the glass is 3/4 empty, as the economy is concerned.

    The Chinese are on shoring jobs because, using all the money that they have accumulated from us buying goods made in china, they are now buying up the US. Stock market is up because the fed continues to print money to prop it up. The dollar is slowly losing world reserve status.

    The internet is a good source for news outside the mainstream media; It is good to hear more than one perspective on what is going on in the world.

    For those longing for the prosperous Clinton years, Bill Clinton is a major contributor to why the country is in the economic mess that it is today. His repeal of the Glass-Steagall act allowed the Banks to merge investment and commercial banking. Bush contributed greatly to the mess, lest anyone think that I'm blaming one party.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 24, 2014 5:20 p.m.

    Appearantly Karl Rove and the rest of the FauxNews listeners are still predicting Mitt Romney by a landslide.

    They'll spin it now to say - They just weren't telling us WHAT election cycle they were talking about...

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 24, 2014 5:02 p.m.


    If you believe Americans correctly vetted Romney and did not award him the presidency, then there is certainly a conflict because Americans voted Obama into office but certainly didn't vet him correctly. Obama has been one of our poorer presidents. So could Americans vote and vet with regret? They certainly did in 2012.

    Romney would have been so much better. I agree with the writer here: give Romney the presidency. There is no one in the field better qualified, experienced, and ready...including Obama.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    The headline for this article says my thoughts exactly. I may have used different words, I would have American people listen with their brains and not just their ears.

    Listening to Fox News at lunch is a regular thing and I have tried to do what I can to keep the raw hate from upsetting me. Right now I am trying to hear any actual facts, so far the count is zero. It appears to me that Fox News is using a strategy to destroy President Obama by having well known and high political personalities voice their opinion which many of their viewers will take for fact.

    I recall the lady next door once say that "it must be true if it's in the newspaper, they wouldn't print anything that wasn't true".

    Of course I'm a little bit prejudiced, so try it yourself.

  • clearthink Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    The country already regrets not having elected Romney, and Romney would be by far the best candidate from either party, but he won't be elected as long as he hoards his wealth. He would have been elected in 2012 had he developed a reputation for spending his money to improve the country. Let him open, or contribute substantially to, centers for entrepreneurism, especially in inner cities. Let him set an example for the other wealthy people in this country, who ought to be improving society instead of buying more mansions.

    We definitely need a new direction in the country. Let's hope Romney demonstrates more personal dedication to helping those in need and educating youth about free market economics. If he does, then most of the country will be happy to elect him President.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 24, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be funny if we discovered that "Bob Fuehr" was actually Mitt Romney's pen name?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 24, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Romney is not the one.
    The old guard GOP has the money but can no longer inspire the voters.
    America is looking for candor and leadership. We haven't seen that from either party in at least a couple of decades.
    The democrats are buying votes (student loan forgiveness/minimum wage/amnesty/[insert minority here]rights/income equality) and will probably win again.
    We are in a position where we will not vote for what we need and the GOP will not put forth and teach conservative ideas.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 24, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    The love affair continues.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 24, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    Bob Fuehr did you drive through Pueblo Colorado on a Friday night and smash through a big green cloud. Clearly you must have because you cannot possibly be clear of mind. Did Mitt promis you something for this? I bet he did! I would guess you are hoping for a nice fat goverment position. I would just bet money you want to be in the White House.

    You really need to step outside of yourself and read what you have posted.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    June 24, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    Mitt Romney ran the Salt Lake Olympics with a surplus only because of an influx of federal money for upgraded security so soon after the 9/11 attacks. In his own book, Turnaround, Romney acknowledges the central role of the federal government in making the Olympics possible. "No matter how well we did cutting costs and raising revenue, we couldn't have the Games without the support of the federal government," he wrote. Imagine that.

    Romney was successful in Massachusetts because he had a Democratically controlled legislature that cooperated with him. Massachusetts law required that all state budgets be balanced, and the current fiscal year was already more than halfway over when Romney assumed office. To close the deficit, he asked for, and was granted by the state legislature, emergency powers to make unilateral cuts in the fiscal year 2003 budget. Can you imagine what President Obama could have done with just a little such cooperation?

    Romney's greatest achievement while governor was the passage of a health care program that was the blueprint for the current Affordable Care Act that he and so many conservatives love to demonize today. Ironic isn't it?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 24, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    sparks, NV
    We need someone like Mike Lee to run for president. We don't need the old guard/aristocracy anymore. We want men and women of substance and true character to represent us.

    10:20 a.m. June 24, 2014


    I'm game.
    Please nominate Mike Lee!

    BTW -- Walter Mondale had a better chance of winning the Geneal Election...

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 24, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    "Romney . . . the ‘unofficial’ leader of the Republican Party."


    And who officially made Romney the unofficial leader?

    Or is the act of saying "he is the unofficial leader," make him the unofficial leader?

    How unofficial is it anyway? Can DN designate anyone to be the unofficial leader?

    That would make DN the unofficial creator of leaders, wouldn't it?

    Do the people he is leading even know their unofficial leader is Romney ? . . . And do they really like the idea?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 24, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    "The failures of Barack Obama over the past five years, have demonstrated the need for someone with the education and business experience to right what is wrong with America."

    And Mitt Romney is your solution? He would run Ameirca like he ran Bain Capital?

    So in other words, the United States is going to launder illicit Cocaine money from Central America.


    But why don't we just make it legal and tax it? . . . And skip all the subterfuge?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 24, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    With a President Romney, different issues would become predominant.

    Widening economic inequality would become a powder keg for the nation, with potential social unrest as a serious possibility.

    National demographics suggest a Democratic advantage. Heavy Gerry-mandering in a lot of states mean a Republican House.

    (Given that more votes were cast nationwide for Democratic House candidates, with the result being a lopsided GOP majority, it could be strongly argued the House represents the people less and less. This is always a problem in a democracy.)

    The Senate could go back & forth.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 24, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    "I would propose the GOP reconsider a seasoned candidate with the ability to jump-start our stagnant economy, Mitt Romney."


    The GOP considered, Twice.
    The GOP selected,
    The American popluation decided.

    If the GOP is only going to recycle and regurgited the same old, same old...over and over again -- I've got some advise...

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting the results to be differrent.

    Here's a hint:
    Try something new or different.

    And one more free bit of advise:
    Nobody wants to go back to the reign of horror of GW Bush.

    Good luck, and remember - may the best man/woman win.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    June 24, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    The silly irony is the assumption that our choices were only Romney and Obama.

    America has the leadership it deserves. The parties now own the political process. The voice of the people has been bought and paid for. Stick a flag in the middle and mumble random references to God and the masses follow.

    Romney in Wisconsin campaigned on Sunday. His contempt for the working poor was just cause for him to lose the election.

    He may be a good man, in many ways, but his wealth has removed him from the plight of the common man. He is not qualified to lead "the people."

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    The VA problem goes back even before George W. Bush. Bush's pull out date for Iraq was Dec. 31, 2011. I do not get this obsession with WWRD? (What would Romney do?). He had no specific plan to increase employment, except the usual conservative mantra of cutting taxes for the rich and cutting entitlements, which have little to do with stimulating economic growth. Romney helped with the success of the 2002 Olympics, but only with the over $1 billion in federal funds for infrastructure and other funding for the games. He even told the athletes they did not do this all by themselves, but due to the help of others (including government). I do not know what Bob Fuehr would suggest we should do in foreign policy - military intervention in Syria, Crimea, Ukraine, Egypt, and back into Iraq? How did that costly intervention work during the Bush years? What effect did the trillion dollar cost of those interventions have on the economic crisis?

  • Susan in VA Alexandria, VA
    June 24, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    The comments on this article are refreshingly liberal.... love it!

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    June 24, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    I wish this newspaper ever printed anything from a different political perspective. I think Deseret News thinks it is Fox News. 99.9% of everything published is a rehash of "Obama is the cause of all our woes." It gets really old.

  • apm22 sparks, NV
    June 24, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    We need someone like Mike Lee to run for president. We don't need the old guard/aristocracy anymore. We want men and women of substance and true character to represent us.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    June 24, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    He doesn't. He doesn't have good ideas to jump start the economy. We vetted his ideas last time; they were simply more tax cutting for rich folks, deregulation, trickle down Bushisms. Let's be done with this 'businessmen know best' nonsense. We know what a Clinton economy looks like. Yes, please, let's go back to those ideas.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 24, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    I wouldn't mind having Romney as president as long as it isn't another Bush-Cheney disaster. It's not Obama who is juvenile. It's the tone of this letter. When I think where I was in 2009 with everything collapsing including our business and my 401K, and that where we're moving along robustly now, I'm grateful Mr. Obama has provided the right formula. Go back to Bush-Cheney? No thank you.

  • leer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    This comment thread is so silly liberal. Comments from John Kateel and Open Minded Mormon make me wish Mitt Romney or someone of his equal (man or woman) would run again more now than ever, even if many say he isn't planning to do so.

    It continues to boggle my mind how "anyone" can defend the Obama admin. actions over the past six years and that includes former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Twenty to thirty years from now, the Obama admin. will go down as two terms of complete futility and failure in history books.

    The ME in flames, income equality at highest levels ever, Obamacare in fact killing jobs and small business growth (contrary to Kateel, our economy is growing at a stagnant pace and U.S. debt is out of control), VA scandal, IRS scandal, far overreaching gov't control and privacy issues (NSA), you name it.

    But yet, none of this matters to those who simply refuse to look at facts. Flabbergasting.

  • LiberalEastCoastMember Parkesburg, PA
    June 24, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    Please, please, please nominate Mr. Romney. Please.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 24, 2014 7:45 a.m.


    What? 2 1/2 years of 24/7 campaiging just isn't enough?

    If the GOP can get SERIOU,
    come up with some ideas,
    Build rather than destroy,
    make some intelligent proposals,

    rather being the party of :
    Pro-assault weapons,
    Pro-Death Penalty,
    Pro-Police the World,
    Pro-Gitmo torture,
    Pro-Spying on Americans,
    banning this, that, and the other thing,
    forcing everyone to choose the right [Lucifer's plan]
    playing continual obstuctionist,
    we hate Obama - vote for us....

    They would not need to play dirty politics, ripping and mudslinging to win anything.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    June 24, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    The problems at the VA are a result of a politician being in the cabinet? Remind me: which political post did General Shinseki come from?

    Mr. Romney has said he is not running. Let the man have some peace.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 24, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    Enough, already. I really wonder why the DesNews is trying so hard to rehabilitate Romney. The people of the United States have already vetted Romney, seen what he really is, seen what he really thinks about anyone who isn't well-to-do, discovered his many deficiencies, and (thankfully) sent him packing. We are lucky that he was never inflictted on the country and the world. Bas as Obama may be, Romney would have been infinitely worse.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 24, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    "America should look beyond slogans and smooth presentations"

    There is no data to back the dubious assertions made in this "editorial".

    This entire article is composed of slick slogans and smooth presentations.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 24, 2014 6:05 a.m.

    Mitt Romney does have a lot of business accomplishments.

    I would love to have a smart, capable businessman like Romney to take on a problem and determine a solution based on the information learned.

    But, this is politics. Romney's hands are already tied.

    He MUST talk lower taxes.
    He MUST talk about increasing our military spending.
    He MUST talk about shooting vermin
    He MUST bash entitlements

    Romneys business sense and experience are irrelevant. They have been trumped by party ideology.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 12:38 a.m.

    There are many ways I could go negative with this piece but this statement is particularly obscure: "Looking back, it’s easy to see the folly in President Obama’s juvenile foreign policy of being overly nice to our Arab friends as we ignored the only real democracy in the Middle East, Israel..."

    What "Arab" friends is he talking about? If he is thinking of the Saudis, Obama has been much more arms length than Bush. Also, it is not clear what he means by the label "Arab." Is that a religious category? Racial? Ethnic?

    Obama has tried his best to avoid sectarian conflict. He's done that quite well.

    Moreover, the only way Obama has "ignored" Israel is by not bombing Iran - thank goodness for that.

    Moreover, I'm afraid Romney would give the Israelis cart blanche because of his (Romney's) religion. I think Romney is a smart guy, but I would be wary.

  • John Kateel Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 12:34 a.m.

    Actually, Israel's main regional foe is getting sucked into a two pronged civil war. Iran's support for Assad and Shiite dominance in Iraq is going to draw in ISIS militants to attack covert Revolutionary Guards in Iraq at some stage in the future. That will embroil Iran for years and help Israel. Russia's economy is circling the drain. The ruble is plunging. The Chinese are on shoring manufacturing to the USA for the first time ever. America is dominating everything positive. We are the Saudi Arabia of oil and natural gas because of directional drilling. Personal debt is down, savings are up, the stock market is up, and wages are finally going up. Our exports are at record levels. Healthcare reform has led to an entrepreneurial boom. Our tech industry dominates the world. Tesla is changing the car industry with 91.3% US content and the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is out selling the European Airbus A350. America is at its apex. God Bless America and God Bless President Barack Obama.