'Reckless' officer was not in danger when he shot woman in head, D.A. says
Always nice to be able to have a reasonable conversation without name calling
I'm appalled at the Deseret News for using the word "Reckless" in
its headline. Has there been a trial? Did I miss it?As to comments
that the "right-wing" posters are against the Constitution, I find that
degrading. I also wonder how that poster knows the minds and hearts and
political affiliation of those with whom he disagrees. The police
officer deserves a trial. He will have opportunity to be tried by a jury of his
peers, who, presumably, will listen to the evidence and decide whether he was
justified in his actions or whether this has just been a "witch hunt"
that would further political ambitions.It might be well to tone down
the rhetoric. Headlines with the word, "Reckless" might sell
newspapers, but it is hardly accurate until after the trial.
Funny about these comments -- The same right-wingers support the
jack-booted, gestapo police force tactics, while trampling the
Constitution's "innocent until proven guilty".
No argument from me, Aggie. Just chuckling about how quick we all are to hang
someone without knowing a fraction of the facts.
@NedGrimleyYour point is taken. :)However, it is also
true that when something like this happens, and the *investigation* reveals that
the cop was never actually in danger and acted recklessly and inappropriately,
the public trust in the police is going to take a hit (no pun intended). That
should be expected as a natural consequence, and the resulting discussion of
opinions is not only a fundamental right, but provides an important check
against the authorities' abuse of the law in the future. Comments on a random comment board (half of which, including mine, are
probably not even from the jurisdiction in question) hardly compare to killing
anybody, innocent or otherwise, without just cause. I hope the court system
does right by justice in this case.
Aggie: "He or she is not the judge, jury, and executioner." You're
right. The posters on this board are... ;)
A picture from this very article shows Cowley sitting on a gurney prior to being
loaded into an ambulance. Obviously something happened to him.Gill
is just priming the pump for re-election.It will be interesting to
see the plea bargain offer that comes from this, or the acquittal at trial. This was a tragic situation all around. What compounds the tragedy is
the political pressure being exerted by the mother's high powered attorney.
Will Danielle Willard get justice? Will Officer Cowley get justice? We shall see. None of us were there at the scene at the time. None of us
know what happened except for Gill's version.
@EnglishAlan"They have seconds, or maybe even split seconds to
react, and protect. How many of us, in similar circumsatnces, would have acted
the same way?"The answer is nobody. I don't know about
you, but if I see a car "heading at me" (which, according to the
investigation, it wasn't) my first instinct is to get the heck out of the
way, not shoot the driver in the head. In fact, not shooting the
driver would probably be the better choice to save my skin. If it's a
choice between moving and shooting, and I choose to shoot, the car is probably
going to run me over regardless of whether the driver is alive or not. F=m*a and
all that, you know. (Newton's first law, not profanity, Mr. DN
Moderator.)One other point: If I were to have shot all the drivers
of cars that have nearly hit me while I've been in a cross walk, I would be
on death row by now.
Yet again the "armchair brigade" comment on the "wrongdoings"
involved. It is so easy to sit in one's armchair, watching on the TV or
reading in the newspaper, having time to think about the situation. Here we
have two police officers in a dangerous situation, and seeing a car heading at
them. They know that there are drug deals going on, and so ANYONE can be at the
wheel of that car. They cannot look at the situation retrospectively on the TV
or newspaper. They have seconds, or maybe even split seconds to react, and
protect. How many of us, in similar circumsatnces, would have acted the same
way?It is tragic that this young lady has lost her life, and I feel
so sorry for her mother. HOWEVER, it was the young lady's involvement in
drugs that led to the loss of her life. Her choice was to be in a drug
transaction, and her decision to drive at police officers in the course of their
manslaughter? Why not 2nd-degree murder?
@ute alumniSo sim gill is just seeking the "lime light" because
he followed the unanimous decision of the ivestigative team that consisted of
" two homicide detectives from the Salt Lake Police Department, two homicide
detectives from the West Valley Police Department, a detective from the Unified
Police Department, and three prosecutors from the district attorney's
I lived in West Valley. Too many iffy events involving police. Glad that after
a "unanimous" decision including WVC detectives there will be some
justice. It can only help.
The officer could have stepped out of the way instead of executing the person he
@sid and fiscal:"Logic would tell you that if you try to run
from an officer especially hitting him in the process you're going to get
shot and possibly killed. Far too many people run from the Police. When they run
they become a hazard to everybody else.""Had she survived a
few moments longer, the great weight of the evidence suggests she would likely
have injured the officers or other innocents even more seriously than she
did."Actually, running should NOT get you killed by a police
officer. He or she is not the judge, jury, and executioner. Also, right in the
story it says that the investigation showed that neither Cowley nor anyone else
was ever in any danger of injury or death.One last point. If two
plain clothes guys came up to your car door, flashed a gun and a badge, and told
you to get out of your car, would you do it? I definitely think twice, maybe
three times, particularly if I was a young female.
Why would anyone want to be in law enforcement, especially with the likes of
gill that loves the limelight
I will be very disappointed in the legal system if these police officers receive
any conviction other than innocent. This girl was clearly "high" and not
thinking straight, it cost her life, but it was her decision to try to flee.
Re: " The law ought to apply just as rigorously, if not more so, to those
who are charged with enforcing it . . . ."It does. Always
has.Regardless of the way this case turns out, it's sad to see
so little support for law enforcement people, who we pay so grudgingly and so
poorly to put their lives on the line to protect us.There's no
real doubt that the officers' only concern was with apprehending a
criminal. There was no personal animus against Ms. Willard, who they'd
never met.And, there's no real doubt that the "victim"
here was involved in an illegal drug deal, that she refused to surrender or
follow valid law-enforcement orders, or that she placed the officers' lives
in genuine jeopardy. In her selfish panic, she was clearly unconcerned for the
lives or safety of others, and she was clearly armed with a deadly weapon [her
car].Had she survived a few moments longer, the great weight of the
evidence suggests she would likely have injured the officers or other innocents
even more seriously than she did.Where should our sympathies lie?
While I don't know everything about this case, I've always felt there
was 'something suspicious' about it.Glad to see there will
be a more formal accounting of the event. Hopefully we'll find some form
of the truth in the matter.
I don't know about this one. This story has seemed kind of
like a Witch Hunt from the very beginning to me. Logic would tell you that if
you try to run from an officer especially hitting him in the process you're
going to get shot and possibly killed. Far too many people run from the Police.
When they run they become a hazard to everybody else. How many times have we
seen high speed chases where the perpetrator runs into some innocent victim
substantially hurting them or killing them? Way too often. I am
sorry this young lady lost her life and my heart goes out to here family and
friends but to me it seems she put herself in the situation. I
guess in the end if you don't want to get shot or killed do break the law,
if you do, don't try to run from the Police. Either way, with
the charges filed today it is now clear two families lives have been ruined by
this situation. Very Sad on many levels.
How about Sim Gill for Attorney General? But it would never happen.
Sixty percent of our legislators would be quaking in their boots.
What took so long?
'Bout time. The law ought to apply just as rigorously, if not more so, to
those who are charged with enforcing it and to those who legislate it.