@Linus...I'm still waiting for the "gravy train" explanation....In
the meantime all I seem to be hearing is crickets!
@Linus...Apparently you spend your time listening to conservative fear mongering
talk radio. Care to mention any facts? In the meantime my confused friend I
would be happy to share some. Current business owner that employs over 350
people right here in Utah. Two Ivy League Degrees. Guarantee my State and
Federal income tax bills were over double of what you paid. Now riddle me this.
Care explaining how I voted for the "gravy train"?
MaryHthwy writes, "I think we should be in NO HURRY to adopt the
Governor's massive expansion plan."Tell you what, Mary. If
you (and people who agree with you) will agree to ditch the insurance plan you
already have and go without coverage until the expansion plan is approved, then
you can preach all you want about "caution". Otherwise you're a
“House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo . . . favored bypassing the
Medicaid expansion money in favor of using $35 million in state funds for
limited coverage.”Uh huh . . . So $35 million in state funds
can provide more and better medical care than $300 million in Federal funds?Sure it can. If a miracle happens. Jesus fed thousands of
people with five loaves of bread and two fish. But Becky Lockhart and Dan
Liljenquist really don’t have those kind of chops, even if they think
they do.“Attaching ourselves as a state to Obamacare is
extremely concerning to me . . . " I understand your concern Ms
Lockhart.After all, for a true “Conservative,” it is
much more noble to let Utah citizens sicken and die than it is to accept
Federal money that would help them.
The position of the legislature is goofy obstructionism.
Kings Court is right. There should be data from other states that would provide
a realistic view of what is likely to happen.
Re: LinusThanks for taking a few minutes away from the AM Radio and
join us on this thread, we value your opinion!
It amazes me that there are any Utahns left who still believe the promises of
the Obama administration. Have you not figured out that his administration is
built upon lies?And do your really believe that the Federal Government has
any money other than yours?Mitt Romney was wrong! It isn't 47
percent who vote for the gravy train. Its closer to 67 percent.
Here's some facts in response to former Sen. Liljenquist's comments:
-The Governor's Healthy Utah Plan would cover individuals earning
between 0% and 138% of the federal poverty level, that's between $0/year
and $15,856/year. -Somehow Dan Liljenquist believes there are 400,000
Utahns who earn incomes within that range AND get employer-sponsored health
insurance. How many workers who earn $12,000 a year get (or can afford)
employer-based insurance? Not many in reality...-Liljenquist is concerned
about "crowd out," which means people will leave private insurance for
Medicaid. But remember, the Healthy Utah Plan will place most eligible Utahns in
subsidized private insurance, not Medicaid (except for the medically frail,
homeless). -As for data, a 2013 survey by International Foundation of
Employee Benefit Plans of 1,000 employers found that fewer than 1% planned to
reduce health insurance coverage.-A 2013 study by the Univ. of Michigan
determined that changes in employer-based insurance would range between a
decline of 1.8% to an increase of 2.9%. -Plus, Jackson-Hewitt Tax Service
predicted that not closing the coverage gap leaves employers (nationwide) liable
for $876 million to $1.3 billion in tax penalties each year.-UHPP
What a surprise "that means a new plan couldn't be in place until July
1, 2015". That was Herbert's plan along, and in July 2015 it will be,
"Oh I really want to get this done by Jan. 2016 but it looks like we will
have to study it further". What a joke! Like many of the previous posters
it is "Fear Mongering at it's finest" The sky is falling, the sky
is falling!Thousands go without treatment, thousands suffer, and it
is probable that many will die or become terminal because their serious illness
goes untreated, while these politico's play their pathetic continuing
partisan game of punishing the POTUS for ever getting elected.For
the umpteenth time I implore the Guv to man up, just sign on to what the people
of the state have already paid for through their taxes . Ignore the fear
mongers and the AM talk radio infected rhetoric and do what is compassionate
and morally right! I promise you will sleep better!
What makes Dan Liljenquist the expert on this topic? He only served 3 years in
the Utah State Senate before resigning to run against Orrin Hatch and lost by a
Has there ever been a time in US history where one political party works so hard
to promote misery and despair?
Liljenquist is smart and lawmakers are wise to be cautious. No child left
behind was widely supported when it was conceived as was UTOPIA - both became
HUGE anchors around our necks that we can't get off. Massive policy
changes like medicaid expansion will have unintended consequences - I think we
should be in NO HURRY to adopt the Governor's massive expansion plan. Reports on polls are misleading. I read the most recent poll detail -
58% said they had not heard of the Governor's plan so they had to be basing
their responses about support of the plan on the 4 sentences in the survey
itself describing the plan. THAT IS NOT A GOOD PREDICTOR OF SENTIMENT NOR
More fear mongering from the right
Sounds like a bunch of fear mongering. Lets get real. And Becky Lockheart may
be the next Governor but I highly doubt it. The polls show that over 60% of
Utahns want this expansion and lets see if the legislature listens to the will
of the people. At least 90% of the cost will be born by the
federal government so we can get some of our tax money back. We have
incentivized things like film studios to come to Utah for a much less guaranteed
return on investment thats not even in the ballpark of being able to help the
most destitute Utahns' plus being a huge stimulus to the economy. The
money brought to the state will I'm sure pay for the !0% portion that Utah
needs to contribute by increasing tax revenues, so its essentially free
money.And lets be real, the Federal Government won't make the
states pay a higher portion of the cost. That will happen when we get rid of
medicare or social security or the end of the world, whichever comes first.
Since other states have been doing this for two years now, what have they been
seeing? Are people losing their employer based health insurance in droves and
signing up for Medicaid in droves as this particular politician is predicting?
I want to see actual data, not the usual fear-mongering and stonewalling.
"Dan Liljenquist, a former state senator, told both the House and Senate
Republican caucuses that as many as 400,000 low-income Utahns could end up
losing their employer-provided insurance and have to turn to the
government."Keep in mind one of the promises of the ACA was to
free employees from having to stick to an undesirable or unsatisfactory job just
to keep health coverage. Medicaid expansion allows this freedom. For once it
would be wonderful for Utah politicians to look at the world through the little
It's a trap! Don't do it.Liljenquist is right, the growth
in the program is inevitable, as will be the decline in federal funding, leaving
Utah taxpayers stuck with bills for a program we cannot modify.Governor Herbert shold not believe any promises made by Obama's Secretary
of HHS, as he has repeatedly made major changes to programs (including Obamacare
health care) that he has no authority to make. He can change any agreement with
Utah the same way and we can do nothing, absolutely nothing, about it at that
point.Don't take the bait from this trap!