Wasatch County officials prepare for Rainbow Family Gathering east of Heber

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  • rebmoish Jerusalem, 00
    June 19, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Americans gather. Americans are formed and influenced by where they gather. In every city in America, Americans overdose, assault, rape, murder, steal and virtually every American requires medical attention at some time. Americans come to the Annual National Rainbow Gathering. They bring who they have been shaped into and influenced by where they come from. Every kind of American is represented.

    Americans are taught that this is a free country and all can travel freely. The Constitution says that we may assemble freely. So we freely travel once a year and assemble as individuals; there is no organization, membership or leaders. There are no fees and no charges. Anyone with a bellybutton is welcome.

    There are problems. Americas alienated unwanted youth are not hippie flower children of 40 years ago. They are angry, distrusting and violent. And for a time we do what we can. But it's hard to heal such hardened kids in a week. It makes us fearful of how America can produce such damaged kids. If you want to know. See me in the forest & I'll show around. Really want something to worry about? Read what's happening in your State. Blessings

  • earthmother spencer, WV
    June 19, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    No point in being haters. Each one of you will only get out of it what you can from where your mind is at. It's the same with being a participant. You bring your self with you. Always. But spending a bunch of time complaining does nothing. It's happening. Go up and visit. Take an open mind with you. Rainbow is a great way to grow up if you are a kid and a great way to get that kid feeling back if you are a grownup. VERY good for all. Spend the time to actually hike into the site. If you never left the parking lot, well, that's where the trash all gets hauled to for sorting and recycling. If you dont leave the parking area you will have NO idea what a gathering is.

  • Fresh Info San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2014 11:57 p.m.

    If folks are looking for more information on the Rainbow Gathering, this is a Rainbow Family Blog with information about this year's Gathering in Utah:
    Well, actually it won't let me post the web address but you can google "nevada utah gathering 2014" and you will see it.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    to UtahBruin Re: Mr J

    Yep. Religion is under attack or maybe your sarcasm perception chip is not working. I thought the observation was hi-larry-us.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    With the price of everything I don't expect a lot of poor people to come. You might see a lot of sleeveless shirts that may be thought of as being naked in Ut.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    @ Real Maverick:

    Your comparison of the Boy Scouts to this group demonstrates a high degree of ignorance regarding the situation.

    The level of responsibility between the two groups are almost beyond comparison. The Rainbows advocate and allow drugs and lewdness, while the Boy Scouts stand for and advocate the best traits of civilization.

    To contend that there are "a few irresponsible adults" in the Rainbow group is in the running for the understatement of the year. There is a reason local authorities need to spend an extra half million dollars to deal with them. I've never heard of a single extra dollar needing to be spent by those same groups in dealing with Boy Scout camps.

    Are Boy Scout groups perfect? No... not at all. But considering there are tens of thousands of BSA camps every year, the percentage of issues involving them is almost negligible.

    When it comes to the Rainbow group, there is a very good reason why they move to different camp areas every year, far from their previous one. Otherwise, the authorities and the locals wouldn't put up with them, their defiant behavior and their left-over messes.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Just remember, Soviet Russia was the ideal that these hippies preach. And Soviet Russia left rings of oil on the harbors, and completely trashed their environment.

    Just as with Occupy Wall Street, leftist groups as a rule tend to be ignorant, disrespectful, trashy, destructive, selfish groups.

    Not all of them, but many are. I do hope we don't have people crapping on cop cars like Occupy did.

  • Silvex Salt Lake, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    What a bunch of hypocrites. Any self-respecting, earth-loving, tree-hugging, hippy with an ounce of honesty would never drive an internal-combustion engine vehicle hundreds of miles to participate in such a trivial, self-indulgent activity (especially older vans and buses built on 1970s emission's technology). Do they really believe in anthropogenic global warming or not? Are they not concerned about thousands of people trampling all over the forests crypto-biotic crust? Do they not care about destroying thousands of native plants and grasses? Are they totally callous to the destruction to the natural migration and mating patterns of native fauna that the presence of thousands of dope-smoking, drum-beating, outdoor-defecating, hippies will have? These people lecture us about how we are destroying the environment, but seem to be some of the worst offenders. Obviously a case of do as I say, not as I do.

    June 18, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    The Gospel According to St. Matthew, Chapter 7, Verses 1 and

    Seemed appropriate.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    @The Real Maverick

    "Using the logic of many here, let's outlaw all Boy Scouts groups in goblin valley for the acts of a few irresponsible adults, right?"

    Apples to oranges comparison. The Rainbow Family coming here is the SAME group that has destroyed other wilderness areas. Boy Scout groups in Goblin Valley are not the same ones that knocked over the rock formation. I would have no problem with banning the group that did the damage from being allowed back into Goblin Valley, but that's not what you're advocating.

    Also, Boy Scouts tend to have the proper permits, ensuring that the area's infrastructure can handle their (quite small) numbers. You won't get the same thing from the Rainbow Family.

    Now, are there any other silly arguments I can blow out of the water?

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    @ dmcvey and bearfoot and bullet56:

    If every gathering cleans up after itself, it's not nearly enough to offset the absolute mess the locals encounter after every gathering... no matter where they go.

    My cousin works for the Forest Service in that area. So I'm speaking on good authority.
    In spite of your contentions, the last time this group was in Utah 11 years ago, it took several weeks for the Forest Service to get the area even close to as clean as it was beforehand.

    There are many Rainbowers who camp far enough away from the main group that they don't bother using the portable toilets and leave a lot of unburied human sewage. Very disgusting.

    Even though the local population temporarily doubles, the crime-rate during that period usually quadruples.

    And the extra taxes collected during their stay doesn't come even close to off-setting the extra half million dollars in law-enforcement and Forest Service costs.

    It's difficult to find locals who will admit to enjoying having them come. In fact, there are almost no positives involved. As such, your defense of this group is downright laughable and mired in ignorance.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2014 11:01 a.m.


    "This gathering happens all over with no problem. Why is it such an issue in Utah?"

    5 minutes on Google will make you wish you could remove this post.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 18, 2014 10:59 a.m.


    "Don't worry, the forest will survive better than if it were just logged over, or suffered a forest fire."

    I love love love strawman arguments like these. The worst kind of strawman argument is the one where someone implies that "if (a) doesn't happen, then (b) will certainly happen" while ignoring other, far more likely, possibilities. Guess what? There are more things that can happen to a forest than either being trampled by free spirits or being logged. Therefore your implication that if the Rainbows don't come then the forest will certainly be logged or burnt down is disingenuous. More than likely the forest will just continue to exist, an outcome your strawman argument discounted.

    Personally, I would prefer it continue to exist without piles of human feces laying around, without polluted streams and aquifiers, and without used needles strewn about.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Using the logic of many here, let's outlaw all Boy Scouts groups in goblin valley for the acts of a few irresponsible adults, right?

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    If the picture is any indication, there will be piles and piles of garbage left behind. And that is just one "vehicle."

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    I feel bad for the people in the Heber City area!

    Groups such as the Rainbow Family present one image, but portray a totally different one!

    Good Luck Heber valley.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    DesNews, Denied, How? Direct quotes of others approved.

    @wwookie - Why is a "Silly Mormon Group", why not a Baptist, Presbyterian, or other faith group. Or is your comment just an attack on the Mormon faith, by calling them silly. Other faiths are here in Utah as well who do missionary work as well. Just curious.

    @dmcvey - The thing is, they do not always go off without a problem. That's why it is a problem here, or anywhere. It's not that the whole Rainbow crew is bad. They have a few bad apples who make them look very bad. I've come to learn the same warnings take place every where they go.

    @bearfoot - You're right, a little reading about rainbow gatherings, previous events would be helpful. You will find that in some instances they have done well with cleanup. In MORE instances you will find they left the place a mess, Ignorance is NOT bliss!

    @Mister J - Another attack on some of the LDS faithful and BYU. What does it have to do with the Rainbow Group again?

    This has nothing to do with Mormons. This is the Sheriffs and the Forest Service that is doing this.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Patriot, you have no room to talk.

    I seem to remember a certain lds boys scout group in goblin valley doing damage to a million year old rock formation. The damage they did was 100 times greater than the damage done by the rainbow family.

    By the way, did the big guy lose his disability check? He clearly wasn't disabled. He should have to work for his money.

  • bearfoot silver city grant, NM
    June 18, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    ...monsieur le prof meet( read !) bullet56 !

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:56 a.m.


    That was funny. You are right, national forest are for everyone. Who are you talking about when you reference Jesus loving locals? What is a Jesus loving local anyway? Please tell me how taxes off sets the "extra" cost? Please explain how a government and or state tax offsets any cost associated with this? When there is additional cost for things on government lands, taxes gets increased to offset cost. It is not applied only to those who caused the extra cost. The people who are there have to pay for it twice, taxes and burden.

    And no, it has nothing to do with dealing with someone who doesn't value money, and uses the earth for enjoyment. Nobody cares if they feel more free than locals. Nobody cares what kind of clothes they wear. If they are naked, well then that becomes a legal issue and yes I think most would have a problem with that. To use "shame, guilt, and modesty" in the same sentence, I am not sure I get that. And what is wrong with education? But I give it to you. You made me laugh, thanks!

  • Monsieur le prof Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Why are they allowed to come in and control this area for such a long period of time? Isn't some kind of permit required? If it costs half a million dollars to have them camp there, why not charge them some kind of fee to offset the costs?

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    June 18, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    A national forest is for the citizens of the nation, not just Jesus loving locals. Every gathering cleans up after the event and the "extra" costs associated are off set by the taxes charged for the increased commerce in the community, such as gas, foods, some gear. Don't worry, the forest will survive better than if it were just logged over, or suffered a forest fire. I believe what really galls the local community is that some folks don't value money as they do, and can use their time on earth to enjoy something that can't be bought.
    Jealous that these Americans are more free than the locals. Free to love who and when they choose. Free to wear funny cloths or no cloths at all, just as God made them. Free from shame and guilt about modesty. Free from egos that regulate, dominate, and educate. These are Gods kids! His Family, under his rainbow.

  • bearfoot silver city grant, NM
    June 18, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    patriot & brave sir.... you need to do a little reading about rainbow gatherings.... even a glance at previous events and you wold know that the rainbow people spend a great deal of effort to leave the gathering site BETTER than when it began.... ignorance is NOT bliss !

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 18, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    This gathering happens all over with no problem. Why is it such an issue in Utah?

    June 18, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    This brings back memories of my childhood. I grew up in the deep south in Mississippi and Louisiana. Everyone was Southern Baptist except for the Pentecostals, and many of them went back and forth. Now and then a group would come through from a church "out west", at least that's where my mom told me they were from. Preachers would be handing out copies of The Godmakers and warning us for weeks in advance to stay away from these people. They were violent, had a bunch of wives, some of them had horns, and they were known to do things to little children.
    But when I disobeyed the adults and I actually met the Mormons they weren't really that bad. They didn't even have horns. Later in life I even moved out west where those people were from and married one of them.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    Wow - looks like the "Occupy Wallstreet" crowd has made its way to Utah now ...ready to occupy the forest for a week or so. Hopefully they will leave the forest cleaner than they left the city parks. YUK!!! Peace + Love + Dope!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    I am betting Heber is thrilled to have the invasion of hippies especially with so many LDS girls camps going on in the same areas. Nothing like "exposing" a 12 year old girl to hippie life...literally. Yikes!! Forest Service officials better post some signs....no nudity, no drugs, no other forms of hippie debauchery....and ENFORCE IT!!!

  • bettercomments Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    Here is my comment. Some societies have it more wrong than others. These guys have it very wrong. I hope the cops/federales don't give them an inch. I don't look forward to this summer in Heber now. I see them avoiding the mountain snow already by settling in at Walmart today.

    My brother lived in Paonia CO after the 92 Rainbow event and residents had had a terrible experience. A temporary tax for more cops is the only way to handle it as other places have done with them in the past. Then go drag their broken down abandoned vehicles away once they've left. Watch the news.