Richard Davis: Reports of tea party's demise are greatly exaggerated

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  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 21, 2014 7:00 p.m.

    Res Novai -

    "Such "low-information voters" nonsense being peddled on the AM dial is the far Right's way of feeling better about itself when it's licking its wounds. As with much else of its views, it simply doesn't fit the evidence."

    Good point.

    The lies on top of lies about the so-called lies of the Obama administration are standard "Conservative" fodder.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    June 19, 2014 10:03 p.m.

    Re:Joe Capitalist2

    "but no one with half a brain will fall for it." Then how do you account for 2008 and 2012?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 19, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Democrats seem to vacillate wildly (and almost daily) between "The Tea Party is taking over the world"... and "The Tea Party is dead"...

    Which is it...? Make up your mind!

    Are they Racists taking over the United States, and the biggest threat to America since AlQaida... OR... are they irrelevant? I keep hearing BOTH from the same posters... Make up our minds!

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 19, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    What's a stragety? Not acquainted with this term.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 18, 2014 6:54 p.m.


    Poplar Grove, UT

    Wouldn't it be great if...

    Ted Cruz renounces his Canadian citizenship,
    Wins the GOP nomination (not likely, as you mentioned),
    By some Galactic oddity WINS the General Election,
    only to then have the Supreme Court rule he can not be the President because the Tea-Partiers can't read the Constitution?!

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 18, 2014 6:24 p.m.

    Well, the big difference of course, is that there is proof that Cruz was born in Canada,(as you mention, he renounced his Canadian citizenship last week) Where is the proof that Obama wasn't born a US citizen? The only proof that is out there shows he was born in Hawaii, so they went looking for proof he wasn't(which they never found, the man even released his birth certificate, but some people didn't want to believe, and would still say he wasn't born in the US, even if there was video of his birth), and i'm pretty sure if I took that bet there would never be a payoff, because besides the Canadian thing, Ted Cruz is not going to get the GOP nomination. He's divisive inside his own party to be a presidential candidate in 2016, I mean i'd love it, as that would mean a landslide loss for the GOP.....which is why it will never happen.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    June 18, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    "The reason for low democrat voter turnout in off-year elections is because democrats rely on "low-information voters" every four years."

    Studies repeatedly show that adults with college degrees tend to vote Democrat while those with high school degrees break decidedly Republican. They also show that viewers of Fox News and listeners of AM radio are less informed of basic, indisputable facts than people who pay attention to no news.

    Such "low-information voters" nonsense being peddled on the AM dial is the far Right's way of feeling better about itself when it's licking its wounds. As with much else of its views, it simply doesn't fit the evidence.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 18, 2014 5:08 p.m.


    also this past week Ted renounced his Canadian citizenship - google it.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 18, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    "Why do people keep calling Ted Cruz a presidential candidate? He was born in Canada, was a Canadian citizen, therefore he's not eligible to be president."

    @ noodle I'm sure your credentials place you above a supreme court justice and all, but after bho's last couple of nominees, that bar has been set pretty low. Therefore, it might be of note to you that Cruz has been a US citizen just as long as he was a Canadian citizen. From the moment of his birth. Now longer because he has renounced his Canadian citizenship. Anyway, if it comes down to the supreme court deciding whether he is eligible, my money says he will be declared eligible. Wanna take that bet?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 18, 2014 4:18 p.m.


    Well I would ask you to take a look at the latest election shocker where RINO Eric Cantor lost to a Tea Party candidate. Cantor was supposed to be the next Speaker of the House but he strayed from the conservative base and he is now ...or soon to be ...unemployed. Remember that the Tea Party is NOT an acutal political party but is instead a mindset among both conservative+libertarian people across America who hold fast to the US constitution and its founding principles. It was the Tea Party candidates that BEAT the Democrats in the 2010 mid-terms...remember??

    As far as your talk about Barack's scandals - are you serious? This post won't allow enough words to describe the scandals that your socialist leader has been caught in over the past several years.

    1. Fast n Furious
    2. IRS intimidation prior to 2012 election
    3. Benghazi lies
    4. Obamacare lies
    5. VA hospitals corruption
    6. Trading a deserter for The most dangerous of Talaban leaders

    I haven't even mentioned ACORN and their election fraud and ties to the White House. Most of these carry criminal convictions and jail time (IRS and Fast n Furious).

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 18, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    @SC Fan
    I try to watch Fox from time to time but to be honest it's so blatanly bias and shallow I think one could get more accurate news from Tokoyo Rose.
    I think a better choice of words for me would have been values instead of face of American voters. Even if the GOP nominates a Niki Haley or Marco Rubio they'll have to run on the party's platform and unless they change that they'll fail to attract woman, latinos,asians, blacks and the youth vote. There is simply not enough white male voters or right wing radicals to win the populous states they'll need to carry a national election. Clearfield, Utah is not representative of what America is or wants in 2014.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:25 p.m.


    The reason for low democrat voter turnout in off-year elections is because democrats rely on "low-information voters" every four years. Given all the Obama scandals and lack of governing (Obamacare and Veteran's Administration hospitals), maybe the country should do what the informed voters want.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    Why do people keep calling Ted Cruz a presidential candidate? He was born in Canada, was a Canadian citizen, therefore he's not eligible to be president.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    The Tea Party is our only hope for restoring the Constitution, and returning the political initiative to the people and away from Wall St and D.C. There is a reason eight of the ten most rich counties are in the D.C. area, and the other two are suburbs of NYC. We are subsidizing these fat cats with our hard-earned dollars.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    June 18, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    I have never been to a Tea Party event but I don't believe a word of all the denegrading remarks of the left (some of whom are on this forum) have toward the movement.

    I don't believe that it is "fracturing" the GOP. Like all popular movements, it certainly is pulling members of the establishment toward its point of view, but the same could be said of many left-wing organizations.

    The left fears this movement so they will do or say anything to slow it down, even break the law (e.g. Lois Lerner).

    So call it dead. Say it is full of radical right-wingers. Say it is full of bigots and haters. Say it is just what the Democrats want. (Did I miss anything?) You will certainly influence the uninformed voter, but no one with half a brain will fall for it.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 1:55 p.m.


    Dick Morris? He hasn't been seen or heard from since November of 2012. As for Karl Rove, he did engineer two election victories for Bush, so he does understand the political landscape pretty well. As for the Republicans being an old white guy party, I'd suggest you look at the number of possible candidates they might nominate. Some are minority, and we have some pretty impressive women coming along, and all are young. The old in the next election will possibly be old Hillary. The Democrats seem to have no one on the bench if she does not run. How does one see the Democrat Party of today as anything but an old party trying to hang onto the Clinton years? Who are the new and upcoming leaders? Harry Reid? Nancy Pelosi? Barbara Mukulski? About the only one I know of is Elizabeth Warren, and she is considered very far left, of even Obama. Maybe you ought to watch a little more Fox for some perspective, which I know you don't with that comment about Dick Morris. There is more out there than MSNBC, which leaves out a lot that is not PC.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 18, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    "Our" American Tea Party is stronger than ever thanks to the monthly scandals that pour out the White House.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    Since when has this regime told us the truth? Can anyone state a truthful statement?

    With that said, the same handlers that told him terrorism has been defeated also fed him the line that the Tea Party is dead. Just more wishful thinking, from a regime that is finally starting to crumble. Just look at his pole numbers and how much his numbers match the mans he replaced. Hope and change to Despair and Disaster.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Democratic stragety against Republicans? --

    Divide and Conquer.

    The perfect irony is that the Tea-Party is doing most of the work FOR them.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    Polling of BO hardly indicates how the GOP and the tea party will fare in 2016. Whoever the GOP nominates will have to run on the party's platform and they've lost the popular vote in 5 of the 6 last elections. The demographics continue to get worse for the GOP and the Tea Party as white male voters continue to become less of the voting bloc. I suggest paying more attention to what Nate Silver tells you vs. Karl Rove or Dick Morris.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    June 18, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    Funny thing, nobody agrees on the future of the Tea Party, and I'm pretty sure it is not entirely accurate to label Rand Paul as a Tea Party candidate. My guess is that the Tea Party will be with us for quite some time. Rand Paul has as good of a chance as any Republican for national candidacy, with the exception of Ted Cruz. Billary is only really popular among the mainsteam press, and the people they influence. The future challenge for the GOP is not old white guys dying off, it is the increase of the 47% or the amount of people with their hand out, waiting for their government cheese. If non tea party, squishy, moderate stand for nothing candidates were really the answer for the GOP, then Dole, McCain, and Romney would have won hands down. The biggest obstacle for the demos is a guy named Barry. All the lies, deceptions and ineptness are quickly coming to a head, and a mean implosion is on the way.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:11 a.m.


    The current trend is that Barack Obama and his wing of the Democrat Party are not the face of the majority of Americans anymore. Polls have consistantly shown a disapproval of his Presidency. In some polls his side on some issues only gets about 33%. Which is the consistant Democrat vote. Little if any moderates left. And they are who win elections for Presidents.


    Which brings me to you. Yes they won the Senate, and White House, but do you really believe that the trend is not going against the Democrats for this upcoming election? If so, then you are in the minority. Even Democrat pundits they are worried about the possibility of Republicans winning the Senate. Most vulunerable Democrat Senators are in states Romney won by huge margins. Don't need any algorithm to support those facts.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    Having no connection to the Tea Party and no detailed knowledge of their platform, I do have some sympathy for their stated goal of bringing fiscal responsibility to the US congress. The Blue Dog Democrats such as Rep.Matheson are unfortunately a dying breed and tax and spend is the mantra of current Democrats. Mr. Obama campaigned against Bush for his irresponsible and unpatriotic use of the Chinese credit card, but after the election Obama made Bush look like a miser. Much as a small percentage of the Occupy Wall Street movement has merit, the Tea Party's goal of fiscal restraint should be considered.

  • SharpHooks Sandy, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    The Tea Party makes it difficult for voters to differentiate between factions of the GOP.
    This will splinter, or dilute it's 'strength'--if it even HAS any, even further.
    All the while benefitting the Democratic Party, and we thank you.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    Whatever --

    David Brat only "won" because Virginia holds and open primary,

    And Democrats, Libertarians, and all Un-Affiliated voters who do not LIKE Eric Cantor,
    showed up simply to vote AGAINST him, period.

    But --
    Let the Tea-Publicans keep thinking they are still relevant.
    We enjoy their show,
    besides -- it only hurts their fellow Republicans, they do nothing towards Democrats.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    The Tea Party and the Republican Party are now indistinguishable.

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:34 a.m.


    "more conservative voting as seen by recent elections and polls"

    That's quite some math you've done. Democrats won the majority of votes in the House, Senate, and presidency in 2012. Repubs maintained the House due to the strident efforts of late to gerrymander their districts. But if you have an alternate algorithm to support your thesis, please provide!

  • Ford DeTreese Provo, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:32 a.m.


    According to a 2012 Pew survey, 35 percent of registered voters identify themselves as Democrat, 28 percent as Republicans. 33 percent are independent. Of these, 15 percent lean Republican, 13 percent lean Democrat. Which means Democrats hold the edge by about 5 percent. But as old white guys like me die off, the GOP will be in worse shape, especially if they keep blocking immigration reform, catering to the 1 percent, and waging war on the poor. Tea or no tea, the GOP is slowling becoming extinct.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    No rational person would believe that Ted Cruz or Rand Paul has a chance to win a national election. The Tea party will be relevant in the GOP and regionally but irrelevant nationally because their leaders and support are not the face for the majority of Americans.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Open Minded Mormon

    Take a look at where Liberals rate in the general population. 20%. Not much better. And the trend in America is to more conservative voting as seen by recent elections and polls. So just who is it that is fading?......

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 18, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Let's see...

    The Tea-Publicans went from 61% to 41%,
    a loss of of over 1/3 of themselves.

    They are now only 41% of Republicans,
    who are less than 40% of America = >15% of the general population.

    Primary election wins or losses --

    They are still a minority of the minority,
    and still fading fast...

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 8:03 a.m.


    I'm glad to read that you believe the biggest gift to the Democrats is losing the House of Representatives in 2010. The T-Party did that. Now in 2014 it looks like the T-Party could add a Republican Senate to the list of gifts to the Democrats. Thank You.

    June 18, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    I personally hope the Tea Party never dies. Biggest gift to the democrats ever. Thank you.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 18, 2014 6:34 a.m.

    " . . . My guess is the tea party is deepening, but not broadening . . . "

    . . . like an acute disease affecting the Republican Party.

    I get it.

    The silver lining to that polluted cloud is that the dichotomy between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is becoming much more clear as the Republican Party becomes more and more contaminated with harmful Tea Party dogma.

    On the one side have the Democrats, the can-do party of good sense and pragmatism, vs the Republican Party, the Tea Party 2.0, the Party of ideologues and do-nothing extremists.

    The Republican devolution is making it easier for sensible voters to make the right choice.