Frank Pignanelli & LaVarr Webb: Examining the implications of the Eric Cantor upset

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  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 16, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    South Jordan, Utah
    It sounds like the people in this article are the ones out of touch. They portray the Tea Party as some right wing wackos when nothing could be further from the truth.


    Barrack HUSSEIN Obama,
    Obama is coming to get your guns,
    Obama is a secret Muslim Brotherhood,
    secret FEMA Concentration Camps,
    Rape Victims can self-abort,
    Metally ill can have full access to assault rifles,
    Armed gangs facing off with BLM officials,

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck....then?...

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    June 16, 2014 2:02 a.m.

    Why have Pignanelli participate? If he is not going to challenge outright nonsense such as the claim easy availability of guns has nothing to do with the U.S. record-breaking share of homicides and suicides, he is serving no useful purpose. These incidents are not 'rare' as Webb claims. In the last month alone, there were three school shootings in the U.S. In each case, someone who should not have had access to a gun obtained several and used at least one.

    There are mentally ill people in all societies. What makes ours different is Americans have easy access to the most lethal instrumentality - a gun.

    Also, it seems Mormon columnists would be concerned that the killer in Oregon, active in his LDS church, apparently lived in a home where semi-automatic weapons and massive amounts of ammunition were available. This column could have been an opportunity to reach out to other LDS parents about the dangers inherent in gun ownership.

  • wjalden Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    "Political analysts will reaffirm that officials who dare to be leaders on controversial issues but have a strong grass-roots campaign will prevail. This was well demonstrated by Sen. Orrin Hatch in 2012 and this year by Sens. Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham."

    Say what? Mitch McConnell did not vote for amnesty.

    In their last senate elections, Orrin Hatch, John McCain, Marco Rubio, and Jeff Flake all claimed to oppose amnesty, before voting for it last year.

    Meanwhile, Chris Cannon vocally supported amnesty, and it cost him his seat in 2008, and it helped cost Bennett his seat in 2010.

    Lindsey Graham supported amnesty, but he scared away all the strong potential challengers, and the remainder ran lousy campaigns that didn't much mention immigration.

    You would have to be willfully ignorant or dishonest to deny that support for the cheap labor lobby is a huge liability for any candidate.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 15, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    I'm not so sure the immigration reform envisioned by Cantor is good for the country anyway, so this is one time I can side with Tea Partiers.

    Sure we need immigration reform . . . SENSIBLE immigration reform.

    But what Cantor advocates is EXACTLY what the national Chamber of Commerce wants . . . and what they want is CHEAP LABOR.

    Realistically, I can't see how cheap immigrant labor will not negatively impact the jobs of US Citizens in this time of job scarcity.

    Can somebody please explain to me how an influx cheap foreign labor is going to help Americans find jobs in the near term?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 15, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    SAS -

    "I wish we could get back to a time when the standard for our elected officials wasn't their ideological purity, but whether they could get things done."

    That is still the standard in the Democratic Party.

    Welcome !

  • ECR Burke, VA
    June 15, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    Doogie - In fairness to the rest of us uninformed folks, please expand your claims about the administration's "propaganda, lies and unconstitutional acts" and once you explain what they are, please explain how they have impacted "what is happening at our borders." Oh and, just what IS happening at our borders. Thanks in advance for your explanation.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 15, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    Not only are conservatives drifting away from main stream Americans, but they seem to be losing touch with reality.

    Both Eric Cantor, and Mitt Romney believed in dreamy data from their internal pollsters showing that they would win big!

    They're getting away with global warming denial by means of cherry picking data, and petro funded PR sophistry. Such tactics work in the echo chamber of Fox News and Sean Hannity.

    But when you use bogus numbers in your own campaign the more accurate facts of the election can be very unpleasant.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 15, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    It sounds like Cantor beat himself...

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    June 15, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    The GOP primary had 13% turnout. I'm not sure what lessons can be gleaned from a ballot where about 8% of voters from predominantly rural Virginia counties voted against Canton.

  • Doogie South Jordan, Utah
    June 15, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    It sounds like the people in this article are the ones out of touch. They portray the Tea Party as some right wing wackos when nothing could be further from the truth. The tea party believes in what mainstream America believes, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without government intervention. It is Washington that is out of touch and these bozos need to be replaced with people who have the courage to make changes. You all have been talking about immigration reform, well one only has to look at what is happening at our borders to realize that we have a serious problem and it all stems from this current administrations propaganda, lies and unconstitutional acts. All the POTUS has to do is come out and say anyone approaching our borders without going through proper channels will be turned back, period. He won't do that though because it isnt a part of his agenda. Someone was wishing that we could return to the old days when things got done. Well again we need people back in Washington that have the spine to do it!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 15, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    If complacency and being out of touch is what got Bennett ousted, then why wasn't Hatch ousted decades ago? He was far more out of touch than Bennett.

    What it means is more frustration and obstructionism in DC. Hopefully the people of Virginia aren't dumb enough to elect another tea party representative. Hopefully they go with a democrat so we can begin to move this country forward.

  • Getting Older Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Cantor was defeated by the same thing that defeated Bob Bennett: he was complacent and out of touch. Cantor's loss shows that Bennett could have been beaten in a primary, not just a caucus. Everyone was up in arms only after Bennett's caucus defeat; they weren't even paying attention before then.

    In the long run, we are better off without Senators and Congressman who are complacent and out of touch.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 15, 2014 5:32 a.m.

    The efforts to unseat Cantor was all but abandon by the Tea Party. It was the media, Laura Ingram and talk radio, that unseated Cantor. This was not a Tea Party victory! I am glad Cantor is gone and really wish the Tea Party would leave with him.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    June 15, 2014 1:12 a.m.

    Closing background-check loopholes is not "simplistic," Mr. Webb. It's intelligent and necessary. I'm sorry you're so tired of the issue. Some of us are still awake.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 15, 2014 1:04 a.m.

    It doesn't matter. They're just republicans.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    June 15, 2014 12:50 a.m.

    The Republican Party/Conservative movement is rapidly becoming a circular firing squad. Unfortunately, the rest of the country seems to be taking the stray bullets.

    I wish we could get back to a time when the standard for our elected officials wasn't their ideological purity, but whether they could get things done.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2014 12:16 a.m.

    Cantor talked Tea Party, but was quite rational in D.C. The Tea Party grass roots got wise to him. Now, Republicans will not only have to talk stupid, they will have to act stupid - all the time. It's going to be fun.