@ tinplaterBigCougar was suggesting that the PAC-12 was stuck
scrambling for a team after the Big-12 merger fell through. The fact is the
PAC-12 could have had their pick of any mid-major out west and were not
desperate to find a team to say yes. All of the schools I listed would jump at
the chance to join the PAC-12 for the revenue increase alone. USU is making
$3-5 million per year in the MWC, do you honestly believe USU would turn down an
offer that pays $20+ million per year?
@ two for flinching,Your list of schools who would jump at joining the PAC
12 is hilarious! Why not SUU, NAU, Montana, Montana State….heck the
entire Big Sky? USU for example would never enter a league in which they would
have to compete with the likes of the powerhouses in the PAC 12. Boise State
and maybe Fresno State might be able to sort of compete at that level (like
@tomahawk red"ASU is the only Pac 12 team that had a tougher
schedule than Utah last season."I'm always amused when utah
"fans" like yourself bring this up, especially after making a comment
like this one to another poster."How do you expect to get any
credibility with remarks like that? That remark seriously raises questions about
your football knowledge."You realize the reason everyone else in
the pac12 has an easier schedule than utah is because they almost all play utah
don't you? That is right, utah is practically the worst team in the pac12
so playing utah actually weakens everyone else's SOS while the opposite is
true for utah. Because everyone else in the pac12 is better than utah playing
everyone else makes utah's SOS tougher while playing utah makes everyone
else's weaker. Such a funny bit of truth that utah
"fans" somehow don't seem to quite comprehend. lol
@ BigCougarUtah never begged, especially publicly, to be invited to
join the PAC-12. There is no need to fabricate stories.And this
quote "...was stuck with Colorado and was desperate to find a 2nd school who
would say yes." is hilarious.The list of schools that would have
said "yes" to joining the PAC-12 includes (but is not limited to) SJSU,
SDSU, Fresno St., Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii, Idaho, Boise St., New Mexico, New Mexico
St., Utah St., TCU, Colorado St, Wyoming, AND especially BYU.
BigCougarBountiful, UTI think you confused him with Kyle
Whittingham maybe? Wasn't it Kyle who boasted to the media that his QB
group was in the upper echelon of the Pac12? ----------Nope. It was Thomas. Made the remark on Twitter within the past year.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UT@Tomahawk redIt isn't the
TOP schedule in the league. Cal plays a harder one. So does Washington State.
-------ASU is the only Pac 12 team that had a tougher
schedule than Utah last season.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UTThe league has three tiers. The top
tier (Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Washington)-----------How
do you expect to get any credibility with remarks like that? That remark
seriously raises questions about your football knowledge.Washington
is NOT on the conference's top level. But it's doubtless you think
they are, simply because they shellacked BYU last year and it's an
image-saving measure. But it's not true. They are a middle of the pack
team. Period.The top level includes Oregon, Stanford, UCLA and USC.
Washington isn't close.
Steven S JarvisOrem, UT@Tomahawk redSo I take it that
winning isn't important?---------Not sure where you
got that from.The point was, when it comes to dominating the mid
major scene... playing a weak schedule every year with one or two tough games,
making a bowl and finishing with a great record and a (mediocre) bowl game, Utah
has already done that.In other words, there's no thrill in that
anymore. What's the point? Utah twice reached the highest point possible as
a mid major. Now, Utah and its fans want to try it on the highest level.
Naturally, it has been difficult and will continue to be difficult. But I would
rather try and compete on this level and fail (as Utah has done) than to
continue as a meaningless mid major... where 9 10 and 11 win seasons mean very
little.If I could take Utah's last three seasons in the Pac 12
or go back and make them 10 or 11 win seasons in the MWC, I'd still take
the Pac 12. That's why when BYU fans talk bout their winning records and
bowl games, it impresses us very little.
I love how ute fans are still giving the excuse that they are new to the Pac-12
to explain why they suck.Will utah have their years of success? Of
course they will. Duke just went to a bowl game. Kansas was a top 10 team in
2007.But over the long haul, utah comes nowhere near the rest of the
Pac-12.You've been a member for 3 years now. Face it. You are
at the bottom of the conference.
Tomahawk RedNorth Salt Lake, UTNot surprised. Nor do I care."Thomas hasn't contributed a thing since arriving here. All
I've seen from him is a Twitter claim that he was going to be the best QB
the Pac 12 has ever seen."------------------------------------I think you confused him with
Kyle Whittingham maybe? Wasn't it Kyle who boasted to the media that his QB
group was in the upper echelon of the Pac12? Sounds like Micah was just
parroting what he was being told by his Head Coach. You've
heard the old saying, "the Speed of the Leader determines the rate of the
pack"? Sounds like the nut doesn't fall far from the tree.
@tomahawk and Steven S Jarvis"The dregs are the teams that
can't get to bowls. This is the sorry state Utah is in. Sure they are
playing the most difficult schedule they have faced. However it isn't the
TOP schedule in the league. Cal plays a harder one. So does Washington State.
With Southern Utah, Idaho State and Weber State the school guarantees one win a
year."----------------Great point, Wash St managed
to win enough games with their tougher schedule to qualify for a bowl game. I
guess that means there's an even lower tier than "the Dregs"
because Utah can't even keep pace with Wash St.As for
tomahawk's comment about publicly begging to join the Big 12, what's
wrong with taking a page from the utah playbook? Utah's public begging paid
off. When the Pac12's attempt to de-stabilize the Big 12 and lure Texas,
etc away by inviting Colorado got stiff-armed by Texas and the rest of the
Big12, the Pac12 was stuck with Colorado and was desperate to find a 2nd school
who would say yes.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTnhatch,"How does it feel to
be incapable of beating a team near the bottom of the Pac 12?"--------------------------------------Not as bad as it feels being
a fan of the team near the bottom of the Pac 12. Lol!On a serious
note, you can't blame a guy for getting tired of losing. I think this is a
sign of the culture of losing developing up on the hill. Once ingrained
it's hard to break. He's smart to want to break free now before
it's too late.
@Tomahawk redSo I take it that winning isn't important? Utah
has NEVER had a winning record playing a top 30 schedule. They only made bowls
when they played "easy" schedules like 2004. Utah is in over its head
and can't compete.The league has three tiers. The top tier
(Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Washington) can win the league. The middle tier has
two to three ranked teams in it. The dregs are the teams that can't get to
bowls. This is the sorry state Utah is in. Sure they are playing the most
difficult schedule they have faced. However it isn't the TOP schedule in
the league. Cal plays a harder one. So does Washington State. With Southern
Utah, Idaho State and Weber State the school guarantees one win a year. They
have but one P5 matchup scheduled while the rest of the league has more. Utah
most years will play the 8th-12th toughest schedule in the PAC 12
TomahawkThat was funny.It kind of reminds one of Cramer
dominating the dojo filled with 10 year olds.
How bad do you have to be when you can't beat out Travis Wilson? The Ute
QB situation is crowded and I can't blame this kid for leaving. Looks like
Wilson is safe for another year! This years Ute team is going to have a hard
time winning 2 PAC-12 games. Might be time for Kyle to say so long!
CGOrem, UTyou have to go back almost 20 years further to the
BYU class of 1973 to find the last BYU class never to have played in a bowl.---------Since you don't get it, I'll educate
you.If Utah still played a watered down mid major schedule like BYU
does, we would have our consecutive bowling streak still going and going and
going. Adding four or five automatic gimmes every season kinda guarantees
you'll go bowling every time. Utah has entirely given that way of life up
in order to play with the big boys.Meanwhile, as Utah tries to climb
that ladder, BYU is the 10th grader still playing tee-ball -- and talking like
the toughest guy on the block just because he can beat on a group of second
graders. If BYU was my team, I'd be embarrassed.Four losses in
a row/9 of last 13Left out in the coldNo power inviteNo national respectPUBLICLY begging to be in the Big
XII(snicker)PUBLICLY being rebuffed by the Big XIIBut by
all means, keep up that smack... and make believe that you guys really are
CGReally? You're penciling in the next 5 to 6 years without a
bowl game for Utah based on recruits that haven't even committed to the
program yet? The 2015 recruiting season isn't even half over. Sheesh.
Step it up a notch in scheduling? Are you serious? Would you like them to
schedule NFL teams or something? Guess Dr. Hill should put in a call to the New
England Patriots to see if they are available for week 2.
CBMicah obviously wanted to play in a bowl sometime during his
college career and he could see that was never going to happen with the Utes.Utah's class of 2015 is half way to becoming the first since the
Utah class of 1991 NEVER to play in a bowl.Of course, you have to go
back almost 20 years further to the BYU class of 1973 to find the last BYU class
never to have played in a bowl.Since BYU's first bowl in 1974,
no BYU class has missed playing in at least one bowl.
Not surprised. Nor do I care.Thomas hasn't contributed a thing
since arriving here. All I've seen from him is a Twitter claim that he was
going to be the best QB the Pac 12 has ever seen.Seems like kind of
a cocky kid whose talent can't cash the checks written by his mouth.He was never a serious candidate for QB on this team. Maybe he can win
the spot on a mid major team.
@Old/Stupid: Yes recruiting competition is tough, and it's undeniable
Utah's recruiting leverage (and depth) has improved with their P12
membership.Facilities, dollars, recruiting, all on the rise. Bodes
well for the Red crew.--- Perhaps you should be a bit more concerned
with conditions in Provostan before tapping your Blue drum about conditions on
the Hill. The rumor mill has it that Bronko is about to follow up his stellar
newspaper interview with a Late Night Show campaign.... Can't wait for his
soft shoe on all the late night networks.Oh, & and if/when you
find Busby, be sure to say Hi. Lots of his Blue friends are walking around The
Valley with no sox, a regrettable result of his precipitous demise....And let us know when the Big12 calls, K?
@steven JarvisI am definitely not a Utah fan-your scheduling comment
didn't make sense. You gotta do better than that
Mickey Romney-"We're not going to win the Pac 12 with MWC
quality guys."You're NEVER gonna win the PAC 12 with the
2nd tier PAC-12 athletes that you will always be successful in recruiting.
Let's face it. The power 5 conferences each have 2-3 Big Dogs and the rest
are Little Dogs.Don't make me tell you to which group the Utes
are forever bound.
@Steven S JarvisUtah has to step it up a notch in scheduling?Utah in 2013 played the toughest schedule in the PAC-12 and 3rd toughest
in the nation. We played 7 top 30 teams going 1-6, national
champion Florida State was 2-0, and pre-season national champion BYU was 0-3.
From FBSschedules: Longest Non-Conference power five scheduling droughts:"3. UtahLast Non-Conference, Power-Five Opponent: Oct.
9, 2010, at Iowa StateLast Non-Conference, Power-Five,
Regular-Season Win: 68-27 over Iowa State in 2010Though Utah played
Pitt out of conference in 2011, the Panthers were still a member of the Big East
then, not joining the ACC until 2013.Ironically, the last time the
Utes played a non-league game against a team in a power-five conference was when
they were still Mountain West members. This was the same year that Utah also
traveled to South Bend to play Notre Dame, a game it lost 28-3.The
Utes do have a home-and-away series scheduled against Michigan in 2014 and 2015,
but after that they have no power-five members on their long-term slate."Utah needs to step it up a notch in the scheduling department if they
want to stay even with the rest of the league. Even Colorado (at number 6) has
more future series scheduled.
Michael, Michael, Michael, 7-5? I think your dreaming buddy. The Utes will have
to perform way above their heads to get to 4-8. I think all the Ute fans should
be absolutely delirious with joy if they get to 6-6. I am not bagging on the Ute
players, but their schedule is a killer. I am afraid they are 2 recruiting years
and 1 coaching change away from seriously competing in the PAC 10+2.
I see some of these transfers are a good thing, not a bad thing. If a guy
isn't Pac 12 material - then its a win win for him to leave to another
program and we can fill that spot with someone who is Pac 12 material.
We're not going to win the Pac 12 with MWC quality guys. I think if we can
stay healthy we will do just fine this year and go 7-5. Cheers everyone!
While I congratulate Utah for their success against BYU how does it feel Chris B to be that team at the bottom of the PAC-12. Just goes to show you how
far the Utes have to go to be considered a top PAC-12 program. Just one question
for you Chris B. is that all you do all day is look for reasons to pick at BYU?
The bottom line is both coaches run quality programs because their main goals is
to not only win but to turn out quality young men. Coach Whit is good coach who
truly cares about his players.Even though I am a dedicated Cougar fan I hope
Utah can contend soon for the PAC-12 championship and wish the UTES nothing but
the best. I hope the Utes win the PAC-12 in the near future. Chris B. lets see
if you have enough integrity to say one positive thing about BYU. It might help
you turn over a new leaf.
Can't blame Thomas for leaving, and I wish him well wherever he ends up.
It would be nice to Have Christian eligible to give our secondary a little more
nhatch,How does it feel to be incapable of beating a team near the
bottom of the Pac 12?Just goes to show how far byu is from being
considered a power conference quality program.P.S. See the ESPN
article today from the Big 12 reaffirming they are not interested in byu and
making it clear there isn't a single team outside the power conferences
that would benefit the conference to add.LOL!
@ Johnny Truimph Well obviously the Pac-12 thing is still kind of new, whereas
Utah Football is over 100 years old.
I'm sorry to see Micah leave. Reports from spring were that he had really
excelled at receiver, and in high school he was good safety as well. I hope Christian can play immediately, that would help a pretty inexperienced
stable of corners.
Mediocrity, too bad.
It seems to be either feast or famine at Quarterback. Travis Wilson will have
another exam later this month to see if he can safely play. I hope all works out
It's nice to finally have a QB competition again.August can't
come soon enough!
Best of luck to him - I have nothing against a guy wanting to play more or play
a position he really wants to who leaves. Clearly, he's not going to be
missed on the field but we wish him the best in playing QB elsewhere if that is
what he wants.Go UTESGo Pac 12