Pride weekend in Salt Lake City has changed over the years

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  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    @iron&clay...Could you define "we" in your original highly intelligent and extremely eloquent post? To answer your question the D.N's decision for this story is due to the fact that people (most of which live in forward thinking states such as Texas, Utah and The South) believe it or not share not only your intellect regarding this issue but your backward view as well.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    @Christopher B/Chris B...My suggestion is to stick with highly intellectual topics such as interstate intercollegiate athletic rivalries for your posting because your lack of intellect becomes more clear after each one of your nonsensical comments. Possibly there wouldn't be need for a Pride Parade if highly intelligent individuals such as yourself were not so obsessed in attempting to take the rights away from others solely based on their sexual preference.

  • windsor City, Ut
    June 9, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    John061 said: "So what is the objective of the Gay Pride movement? If it were simply to be acknowledged as humans with rights, they certainly would not need to publicly display vulgar and obscene behaviors. There is clearly another agenda. While the thin veneer of the event is portrayed here as one of a desire for acceptance, obscene actions, the movements defense of those actions, and insistence on those actions at public events speak much louder."

    Well said.

    I've really wondered about that too.

    Nobody I've asked can seem to give me an answer to this strange phenomenon.

    Its got to be about more than just letting people know you are LGBT and showing Pride.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    June 8, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    "Mormons Building Bridges"
    --- unfortunately, the bridge is often to a desolate island. The Gay mormons get to cross back over once in awhile, especially if they choose to be crippled by celibacy, but on their own island, they are "sinners", and "cursed with same sex attraction", etc.

    Is this lady helping folks to be as God made them, is she helping them to stay where they are not truly equal?

    Should it really be "Mormons Building a Moat Around Their Gay Kids, So They Will Stay"?
    Where is the balanced help? --- all that organization does is refer people to church sponsored websites.

    People who want to believe that everything is solved by their religion may continue to do so. People who would like to question what their religion tells them are free to do so.

  • 21MOM Keaau, HI
    June 8, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    "Christlike love is the greatest need we have on this planet in part because righteousness was always supposed to accompany it. So if love is to be our watchword, as it must be, then by the word of Him who is love personified, we must forsake transgression and any hint of advocacy for it in others. Jesus clearly understood what many in our modern culture seem to forget: that there is a crucial difference between the commandment to forgive sin (which He had an infinite capacity to do) and the warning against condoning it (which He never ever did even once)." Jeffrey R. Holland

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    I take my kids to the days of 47 parade to celebrate the pioneers.........

    You have your gay parade, are you that narcissistic that you have to have some form of representation in every PARADE.....

    If so I want to be in your parade, next year to protest your narcissism!!!

  • Oxford Pizza Reading, PA
    June 8, 2014 1:43 p.m.


    I agree that "Families going on to their exaltation and glory in all things is what is happening". I also know without doubt that in that exaltation and glory there will be gay men and women who have their own eternal families. If you can't learn to love and respect them here on earth you will learn to in the next life. Why not become loving and accepting of all of gods creations now?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    to iron&clay

    Clarification on 2 points needed.

    You are not all that hyped about what is going on this weekend; Would a bacchanalia like event during or after Def Leppard/Kiss concert here in a few weeks would be okay?

    Which is it do same gender couples impose limitations on themselves or are the truly **unable** to procreate??

  • John061 Newington, CT
    June 8, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Parades are family events with children as spectators. As a member of a marching band, I've marched in hundreds of parades for such events as Saint Patrick's day, Columbus Day, many Firemen's Parades, 4th, Memorial Day. etc. Parade participants at these parades do not carry sex toys, French kiss, wear speedo's as their only article of clothing. Yet these behaviors are common in Pride parades around the country. Indeed the city of Dallas was condemned by Gay Activists for trying to prohibit nudity and indecency at the Dallas Pride parade. So what is the objective of the Gay Pride movement? If it were simply to be acknowledged as humans with rights, they certainly would not need to publicly display vulgar and obscene behaviors. There is clearly another agenda. While the thin veneer of the event is portrayed here as one of a desire for acceptance, obscene actions, the movements defense of those actions, and insistence on those actions at public events speak much louder.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    June 8, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    My comment refers to the fact that same gender relationships is NOT where news is happening.

    Procreation is where it is happening.

    Families going on to their exaltation and glory in all things is what is happening.

    The unfortunate self-imposed limitations that same gender couples or groups have placed upon themselves with their inability to procreate is old news and a non-story.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 8, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    @Ken 5:14 p.m. June 7, 2014

    We don't need to go around telling people we are straight.


    When you talk about your wife
    When you walk down the street holding your wife's hand or with your arms around each other, or when you give each other a (chaste, loving) kiss in public, you are not only telling people you are straight you are parading (and flaunting) your sexuality.

    When you talk about your vacation plans with your family, you are telling people you are straight.

    When you put a picture of your family on your desk, you are telling people you are straight.

    There are many other examples of how straight people tell the world they are straight every day. I know -- I do them, an I tell the world I am straight in the process.

    Ken -- until you can honestly say that you do none of these things, you comment is inaccurate, and without truth or basis.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 8, 2014 1:37 a.m.

    @Ken, You're right there is no need for a parade to show that you're straight. There is no one trying to stop you from living your life as a straight person.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    June 8, 2014 12:17 a.m.

    @iron@clay wrote: "Yawn, So why does the DN think we even want to know about a parade such as this."

    By posting a comment, you have helped make this story more prominent, and thus, the more likely that the DN will publish similar stories in the future.

    @Ken wrote: "There is no need for a parade in the first place to tell the world one's sexuality. That's the big differene between the BLT community and the rest of us."

    Imagine if, when you were growing up, you knew that you were different in a fundamental way from everyone you knew. And as you grew up, you constantly heard how that people who were like you were, were wrong, were evil, were an abomination. You didn't know if there were other people in your community like you. You thought you'd need to be quiet and ashamed and alone the rest of your life.

    There is an element in the population that wants LGBT people to be invisible. Pride events are about defying that and being visible.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    June 7, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    Yawn, So why does the DN think we even want to know about a parade such as this.

    Boring news.

    Old news.

    No news.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    June 7, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    Once marriage equality (and all other equalities) have been achieved, then there may be no need for "Pride" parades.

    But then again, Pride parades to remember the victory over oppressive prejudice would still be a good idea.

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    June 7, 2014 8:43 p.m.


    Your posts are always inspiring and touching. Thank you for sharing.

    Peopke make the mistake of thinking these parades are about announcing or showing off a person's sexuality. What this is really about is showing unity, letting others know they are not alone in a world constantly telling them to stay hidden, helping people feel good about who they are when everyone else tells them they are broken.

    In many ways this goes beyond simple sexual orientation. They use the letters LGBT but I sometimes think they could use TWAD = Those Who Are Different. My wife and I celebrate Pride events not just to support our gay brothers and sisters but also in hopes of creating a better world where all people are welcome and can feel pride in who they are without others telling them they are sinners for holding hands with their partner. Until a gay man or woman can be as open with their love (and I mean l love not sexuality) the parades will continue.

    June 7, 2014 8:19 p.m.

    "The following year, participation in the parade doubled, and the group, following a new route, was met by members of the Aryan Nation at the City-County Building"

    I wonder, if we all jumped in a time machine right now and went back to 1991. Who would be standing with the LGBT families, and who would be standing with the Aryan Nations? So much has changed and so much has stayed the same. I remember as a child in Mississippi watching the Klan march down Capitol Street in Jackson because black kids went to my school.
    Today I walked all over the Pride festival with my 16 year old daughter. She got a t-shirt from the Equality Utah booth. She is wearing it with me tomorrow morning as we walk in the parade together.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    June 7, 2014 7:15 p.m.

    Ms. Munson said:
    " We are welcoming, loving, non-judgmental people who follow the Savior and I felt like we could use that to help make a place for those people."

    Wow! That was the LDS Church I converted to when I was a very young man.

    @ Meckofahess

    You wrote:
    "Where we are concerned is that a different definition of marriage has to be legally forced upon us"

    How is a different definition of marriage being "forced upon you"?

    Are you being "forced" to marry someone of your own sex? No? Then no marriage definition is being forced upon you.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    June 7, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    @Ken: "We don't need to go around telling people we are straight."

    Do you ever mention your wife at work? Ever talk about something you did with your wife - "My wife and I..."? Ever hold your wife's hand in public? Call her "honey" or "dear" or some such? Ever mention your anniversary or talk about your in-laws?

    All of that is telling the world you are straight.

    For several years I hired for a large Cleveland nursing home. We had a very gay friendly (straight) owner. My introductory talk during interviews, about the history and reputation of the facility, always included a few words about how "my husband and I moved back to Cleveland from..."

    Several people I interviewed were tearful at the thought of working in a place where they could simply be as open about their partner as their straight coworkers.

    I understood. I worked two nursing homes in Georgia where I had to be in the closet or be unemployed. I vowed I would never be forced into the closet again.

    Talking about my partner is not inappropriate because I am Gay.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    "Thats how it used to be, LGBT went about their lives, & did what they wanted, & nobody knew, & nobody cared. "

    If nobody knew that means they didn't go about their lives and do what they want. No holding hands, no pictures of couples, no nothing. That's not live and let live. That's conceal, don't feel, don't let us know.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    June 7, 2014 5:14 p.m.


    There is no need for a parade in the first place to tell the world one's sexuality. That's the big differene between the BLT community and the rest of us. We don't need to go around telling people we are straight. Gays don't need to do it either, but they insist none the less.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    June 7, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    Two For Flinching said " I suggest we all live and let live."

    Thats how it used to be, LGBT went about their lives, & did what they wanted, & nobody knew, & nobody cared.

    We all just "lived and let live".

    But apparently that wasn't good enough....
    And so now we are where we are today--bitterly divided......when if everyone would have just lived and let live, all the bitterness and animosity between to the two camps wouldn't even exist.

    I for one would LOVE to go back to how it used to be. To how I would see the gay men who lived 2 apartments down & how we would great each other or help each other carry things etc & we were just all humans living our lives. Now, especially with the Lesbians I know, they are sarcastic and take extra care to give some blatant PDA's when they see us coming.
    It really was better back when no one was trying to be overt, or in-you-face, when we were all just happy to live & let live.

    Wherever you are, I miss you 2 nice guys & those days, let me tell ya.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 7, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    I read all the angry comments on here by people of both "points of view". Here's a thought for you all: "You realize you have control of your life when you stop trying to BE in control, or acquire it.".

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 7, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @ Christopher B If your heterosexual pride parade was really about being proud of being heterosexual no one would care--but everytime there is a "straight pride" event it's really about being anti-LGBT.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Some of those same actions are directed against the Straights by the Gays, don't kid yourself.
    And when people, who for religious reasons chose not to join in their celebrations because of
    their religious beliefs, then the Gays should, like the religious, be required to take
    sensitivity courses about those beliefs that they are committed too. What is 'good for the goose, should be equally good for the gander'.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    June 7, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    @Macfarren wrote: "Is it not called "Gay Pride" anymore?"

    Most celebrations nationwide are simply called Pride events in order to be more inclusive: Not just for gays, but lesbians, bisexual, transgender, asexual, and all others that are gender and sexual minorities.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    June 7, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    @Christopher B: "And does anyone know when the heterosexuals are having our pride parade?"

    When I was a teen people would sarcastically ask, "So when I White History Month?" The proper answer was, of course, "January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December."

    Hetero pride is you and your wife walking down the street holding hands without fear of being called names or being attacked.

    Hetero pride is being able to put your wife's picture on your desk at work and not fear being fired or harassed.

    Hetero pride is having your wife accompany you to a medical appointment without worry that the doctor or nurse will mistreat you because of your relationship.

    Hetero pride is knowing that nobody has voted to outlaw your marriage.

    In 1968 transgender women and some gay men got tired of being brutalized by the police for simply existing. The result was the Stonewall Riot, and the following year the very first Gay Pride Parade in New York City. Gay Pride says we will not be mistreated, we demand our civil rights, we celebrate who we are.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    June 7, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Hi Meckofahess,

    Re: the definition of marriage: It won't change for those of us who don't share your view, so I think the distinction that your side sees must be addressed by your respective religions. Trying to do this at the secular level only creates the "separate but equal" condition, which won't pass Constitutional muster and then we're back where we started. Do you have another solution?

    Re: being punished for your objections to SSM: No one has been ILLEGALLY punished for expressing these views. However, as an atheist, I am acquainted with the LEGAL punishment that expressing an unpopular view can garner. I simply don't know how to prevent such behavior from feeling like this. For social creatures, it IS punishment to be subjected to public disapproval and rejection. So we form our subgroups where our views are accepted and, when willing to take the heat, we go out to the larger group and try again.

    But this is not persecution and there is nothing in our laws that says you or I are entitled to be protected from it. Thank goodness, I say. Your thoughts?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    @ Meckofahess

    Your freedom of expression is untarnished. The fact that you were able to make your post without any sort of legal consequence is proof of that. However, I disagree with the majority of your post. This is not a morality issue, it is a legal one. The only person who defines morality is you, and the only person you can define morality for is yourself. Which means you do not have a right to apply your definition of morality to anybody else. Many lawyers have tried to prove that allowing same-sex couple to marry would be a detriment to society, families, children, religions, etc., and not a single person has succeeded. I suggest we all live and let live.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    June 7, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    @Christopher.. Freedom of speech is a protected right. Whether you are for or against something, the right to protest and march must be guaranteed to all citizen members. That is why anti-war or anti human rights groups like the KKK can voice their opinions. Even if the majority believes they are dead wrong and without moral justification. It turns out anti-war marches of the Vietnam era were justified and moral. So public opinion is just that, current opinion based on status quo operations...Public opinion often is not necessarily based in logic and the best course for society to follow.
    Equality under all laws are our only true protection for freedom and liberty to rule our government and the laws that govern the USA. We are not equal under laws at this time. Bribery and slavery-based drug laws violate constitutional powers over all laws. We citizens can't see/comprehend this truth, because those laws are ingrained in status quo operations. Which means our individual instinct mechanism is blinding us to our true current reality. Once we understand that instinct mechanism is Satan: we will fight for our right of choice to do what is best.Truth.

  • EstoPerpetua Holden, MA
    June 7, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    @Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT

    " Where we are concerned is that a different definition of marriage has to be legally
    forced upon us"

    You are entitled to your opinion which is about religious marriage but marriage licenses
    are civil licenses, not religious. Why should taxpayers have to spend all of that extra
    money to create new licenses just for LGBTs?
    " but also one which respects the point of view of those who have certain moral convictions "

    Why is this a moral issue? God created all genders and as science has proven, it is as
    natural to be gay as it is to be straight, I should know, I was born gay. Just as people
    learned that the world is not flat they are continuously learning about who humans are and
    that loving one another is very important for us to continue our advancement into the

  • Utahwoody Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    “Gay Pride was not born of a need to celebrate being gay, but our right to exist without persecution. So instead of wondering why there isn’t a straight pride movement, be thankful you don’t need one.” - unknown

  • MoNoMo Fair Oaks, CA
    June 7, 2014 10:36 a.m.


    Below is a quote from the ruling in WI yesterday striking down that states ban on same-sex marriage.

    "This case is not about whether marriages between same-sex couples are consistent or inconsistent with the teachings of a particular religion, whether such marriages are moral or immoral or whether they are something that should be encouraged or discouraged. It is not even about whether the plaintiffs in this case are as capable as opposite-sex couples of maintaining a committed and loving relationship or raising a family together. Quite simply,this case is about liberty and equality, the two cornerstones of the rights protected by the United States Constitution."

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    June 7, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    If you see injustice get up, stand up. I would hope kind, loving people of all faiths would follow Ms. Munson's example. Step out of your beehive and march on Sunday.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    June 7, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    @Christopher B

    When you are constantly harassed, belittled, and have laws banning you from doing things because you are straight, then I will be the first in line to get the city to allow you to have a heterosexual pride parade. When you get disapproving looks or even get threatened with physical harm because you are holding hands with the one you love, then I will stand by you to get a straight pride festival.

    I, too, long for the day when we won't need events like this, but from some comments I see that it may be a long time before that happens.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    Its a shame that LDS people and other Christians who have a different point of view on moral issues have to be forced to lose their jobs and freedom of expression by the gay community. Few conservatives would deny our gay brothers and sisters any constitutional right. Gay citizens can love who they wish and live their life style in freedom. Where we are concerned is that a different definition of marriage has to be legally forced upon us and that if we object to that then we will be singled out and punished for exercising our right of freedom of expression. If amendment 3 was too broad then lets work for a better amendment that recognizes fundamental rights for all citizens who have committed relationships, but also one which respects the point of view of those who have certain moral convictions.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    June 7, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    I admire Ms Munson for her seemingly quixotic passion, and hope that her noble efforts are not an exercise in futility against the hegemony of dogmatic religious prejudice.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    June 7, 2014 7:22 a.m.

    Is it not called "Gay Pride" anymore?

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    June 7, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    One the one hand, I love that Pride has become a big celebration, with GLBT people and friends and allies all enjoying the day. I love that corporations are willing to embrace and support the gay community as a whole, and members of the community.

    On the other hand, I hate the loss of connection with the history of the Gay community. The first Pride happened in New York City one year after the Stonewall Inn - a small bar that had Transgender and Gay patrons - was brutally raided yet one more time, with the difference being that some of the Transwomen said "enough is enough" and stood up to the thuggish behavior of the police.

    We need to remember the past, remember the brutality of treatment, the fear and hiding. If we forget it can happen again all too easily.

    But for today... enjoy the sun and the fun and the very, very visible community.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:14 a.m.

    In terms of a positive image for Mormonism, "Mormons Building Bridges" has done an incredible job worldwide. Their participation has been in news outlets all over the world. But the Church has systematically been destroying that image by its campaign against same-sex marriage. Also in the news worldwide.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:22 p.m.


    Groups that oppose homosexuality aren't allowed in the days of 47 parade either. So sorry, no sympathy for "discrimination" there

    And does anyone know when the heterosexuals are having our pride parade? I want to parade the streets to scream to everyone I am straight.

    Oh wait, no I don't. And thankfully neither do the rest of heterosexuals either. We aren't like that. And I'm "proud" of that.