John Florez: What's happening to us? Values matter

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  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    June 10, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Because it's more important to see Obama fail than help the sick.

    Oh the woes those people will have at the pearly gates.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    June 9, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    I would think that the appeal by Mr. Flores in behalf of caring for one another is unassailable. How anyone, for whatever reason, could argue against it is hard to understand. Hopefully it is not the Utah way.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    Re: Mike Richards "'The "pioneers' did not ask the government for help. " No, but they did expect help from each other which they institutionalized into a variety of "united orders." I know, I know, but that is "different." No it isn't. To get inspiration for his socialist future ideal the writer Edward Bellamy sought inspiration from the most socialist society he could find on earth - Brigham City, Utah - in the 1880's. The result was his novel "Looking Backward" which was BTW the third hottest seller in the 19th century, following only "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "Tom Sawyer," subject to check.

    In the world, government, however constituted is how people take care of each other. It's often our strongest common arrangement for getting things done.

    The refusal of the legislature to take care of over 100,000 working poor through health insurance is a blot on the history of Utah. The Republicans responsible for this should be brought up on charges on Judgement Day.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 8, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    " something wrong with Medicare?"

    I take your point. Medicare is a fairly good system. At least it doesn't have death panels... yet.

    "If you don't have a good job that provides health coverage, you probably need help getting insurance."

    Solution: Get a good job. If you're not qualified for a good job... get qualified.

    "Saving money by avoiding restaurants and buying new iPads is probably a good idea, but it won't save you enough to cover a cancer treatment."

    Folks will use their money for whatever purpose they wish, not thinking about what the future might bring, health-wise. Everyone should understand that there will more than likely be big health bills sometime in their future. This means either amassing savings to pay for it or getting insurance and letting others help pay. I prefer the latter, forgoing alotta pleasures in life, at least until Medicare kicks in.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 8, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Mr Bean and wrz

    is something wrong with Medicare? Single payer, but not governmental health care. Yeah the VA is a snake pit, but not everywhere. Some VA facilities provide good care. I can name you a bunch of private hospitals and insurance outfits that cheat the public and provide poor care.

    If you don't have a good job that provides health coverage, you probably need help getting insurance. Saving money by avoiding restaurants and buying new iPads is probably a good idea, but it won't save you enough to cover a cancer treatment. Especially if you work at Walmart or other such poor paying positions. Unless you want de facto death panels through a financial means test, then we are all obligated to participate in the payment of extraordinary treatments.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 8, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    What the paid voices of the businessmen in the Health Care industry are not telling you and which you are not considering, is that the same problems of the accused VA also exist in private health care times ten.

    More people die of mismanagement, medical errors, misdiagnosis, and sometime deliberate medical malpractice in private medical care than in all the VA hospitals in the nation.

    When you want to do away with something, consider the alternative you will be left with.

  • Mr. Bean Phoenix, AZ
    June 7, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    "I think a single payer system is best, but we have built a rickety system of private health care insurance."

    The vets have a government-furnished single payer system. The report is that dozens of vets died waiting for care.

    Expect the same if/when the government takes over America's healthcare. And expect the so-called death panels as well. Not necessarily from neglect like the Vets suffered. But from government panels who will decide what healthcare older folks will or will not receive.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 7, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    "UH hmm, just who do you think covers your medical bills when you can not pay them as you lack any kind of insurance coverage?"

    Stop buying ipads, cell phones, cable TV/computer hook-up fees, stop eating out and buying new cars. Put the money saved either in health insurance or a medical savings account to pay the bills when do.

    "The tooth fairy?"

    No, see above.

    "I think a single payer system is best..."

    You mean something like the Veteran's Administration health system? That's what you get with a single payer system with the federal government in charge.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 7, 2014 6:16 p.m.

    Just for argument's sake, let's rid the Federal government (state and local too) of all the right-wing annoying functions that the government currently provides or funds.

    So, you get sick and got no money. You die, unless your family can pony up the medical bills. Oh, and no Medicare or Medicaid to pay for granny's nursing home care.

    FDIC, SEC, FTC, USDA, EEOC, OSHA, and all the rest of the alphabet soup governmental agencies go away. You park money in a bank, better make sure it is a good one. You want to believe labels on pills or food. Good luck, each person for themselves. Think your employer cheated you. Look for a better employer as he/she can.

    Research. Forget it, waste of money. Aid to farmers. Nope. Subsidies to mineral companies. Well, that might stay since they have so much influence in Washington, but should logically be stopped.

    This could be more fun that the 200 words allowed, but I hope the point is made.

    We need government to provide some essential services for us all.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 7, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    I am part of the Federal government of the United States of America.

    Unfortunately so is PeanutGallery, 10CC, The Greatest Statist and millions of other misguided people. Not that they are bad people, sad that they are opposed to the heart of America.

    I am proud to be an American, not because I had any thing to do with it, but because it gave me a step up over the rest of the world so that I wouldn't have to hate those who have more than I do.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 7, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    The "pioneers" fled the United States because they were driven out. The "pioneers" did not ask the government for help. They did not expect the citizens of Mississippi to pay taxes so they they, the pioneers, would not have to pay their own way.

    Government is the problem, not the solution. We can fix any problem if we stop expecting others to foot the bill.

    If you, or your extended family, don't care about family members, why would you expect the people of Mississippi or Nevada to pay?

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    150 years ago we didn't expect the federal government to provide health care. We really didn't expect the government to do much of anything, except provide for the national defense and open up the western frontier. Oh, and keep the natives in check. Today we expect the government to be all things to all people and it can't be. Many want it to be but it can't. Until we reprioritize our national priorities and have just one courageous politician make the statement "Sure we can have national health care. Tell me how we pay for it" then we will be stuck with our current situation.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 7, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Greatest Statist

    UH hmm, just who do you think covers your medical bills when you can not pay them as you lack any kind of insurance coverage? The tooth fairy? We all pay for your privilege of your getting emergency care thru our already high hospital bills. Who pays the bill when you declare bankruptcy when you can not pay your other medical bills? The Easter bunny? No we all do through higher insurance premiums and medical fees.

    There is no free lunch anywhere, and unless you are a person of means, somehow your unpaid bills get absorbed by all of us.

    The common sense solution to this dilemma is to demand we all have coverage. I think a single payer system is best, but we have built a rickety system of private health care insurance. You conservatives seem to want neither. Now this just astounds me to no end. But then again, nothing surprises me anymore.

  • The Greatest Statist Layton, UT
    June 7, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    "Today, we have thousands of Utahns who are suffering, dying, for lack of health care, of which two-thirds are working but cannot afford health care."

    Thank you for your concern, Mr. Florez. As one of those Utahns who is working without insurance, I assume that I'll be receiving a check from you and other like-minded individuals to help subsidize my health care costs until our lawmakers get better at taking money from the federal government. The very least you could do help me cover the costs of my fine (erm, I mean tax penalty) under the Affordable Care Act.

    In all seriousness, it never ceases to amaze me how compassionate people can be (as long as the federal government foots the bill).

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    June 7, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    The over-riding value is Obama is president, and the federal government is evil.

    If Romney was the president and had brought RomneyCare with him, that would be a horse of an entirely different color, and Utahns would be crowing about how together we helped Emily Young when she needed chemotherapy and her insurance ran out. Instead, Emily Young is dead, and Gary Herbert is begging for support for his Medicaid alternative, even though it lines the pockets of private insurance companies.

    Poor Utahns are falling through the cracks because Obama is president, and somebody needs to pay for the unrighteous decision of the rest of the nation.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    Yes, let’s help each other, but not through the federal government!!