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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 7, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    The alternative to Obama Care should be for the Federal Government to get out of the kitchen. There is too much regulation, too many mandated federal forms, just plain too many rules for doctors. My personal doctor 15 years ago had 1 nurse, two office people and that was it. Now just for the paperwork he has 6 office people. His costs have gone up because of the government.

    By the way, there doesn't need to be a Republican alternative to Obama Care. Why you ask? The best thing that Congress and the President could have done was to take down the state line barriers and let insurance companies ensure across state lines. It's not called Blue Cross of Utah for aesthetic reasons, it's because Blue Cross had to incorporate here in Utah. Duh.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 5, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    @lost in DC – “The “cost” you talk of does NOT consider the cost of unnecessary tests, etc to avoid being sued, just premium costs. But that is only ONE of the points of the GOP plan. I guess you see no problems with the rest of it since that is all you can attack.”

    Fair point, however a strong argument (backed by lots of evidence) can be made that this is largely due to our fee for service payment mechanism. Doctors are as interested in the next person in making money, so why do one test for $100 when five more will be paid for just as readily.

    Regarding the “GOP Plan” uh no… it has loads of problems – mainly because, again the GOP sees the market for healthcare as fundamentally the same as the market for toasters (it is not) making their “free market” solutions misguided and even harmful.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    Re: Open Minded Mormon

    Yep, Obamacare was invented by Republicans and first implemented by their 2012 standard bearer Willard Mitt Romney! Weird? Bizarre? It doesn't get any crazier than this.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 4, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    West Jordan, UT

    The GOP does not accept it, and opinion polls show most of the US opposes it.


    Those polls are wrong.

    Because, many - like me - are counted as being opposed as well.

    We want a full-blown Single-Payer option.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 4, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    @The Rock
    First of all if you want to go back to Newt Gingriches plan, the ACA incorporated a bunch those ideas(including the dreaded individual mandate) As for tort reform, what kind of reforms are proposed, all i've ever seen is damage caps, which I completely disagree with. There should be no cap on the actual costs of caring for a person who is injured due to malpractice, even if it means millions of dollars for lifetime care, If a doctors causes a permanent or expensive injury why isn't it their job(or insurances job) to fix it? Seeing a 5 or 10 million dollar judgement for someone like this may seem like a lot. But if you need daily medical care you could run through that money in less than 10 years.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 4, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    The first question of the poll is:

    "How well do you think you understand this new health care law and how it will impact you?"

    Only 14% of respondents said they understand the law "very well".

    So they are giving their opinion about a subject that has been the object of the largest mis-information campaign in history and they don't really understand the law.

    I wonder what the results would be if the people actually understood the law and had not been inundated with conservative propaganda?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 4, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    All these "Conservatives" still passing around old lies and inventing new ones about Obamacare will keep complaining about it forever.

    Some of them are still mad at FDR for creating Social Security, but they're more than happy to benefit from it.

    As long as we can keep Republicans AWAY from the reins of power, they're bark is worse than their bite.

    So let them bark, and whimper, and whine, and make up tall tales, and howl at the moon.

    I don't care.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 4, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    More people are avoiding the punishment by signing up, but their health care options are getting worse and more expensive. Losing their doctor, losing the plans they liked, etc. not being able to FIND a doctor in their area that will accept Obamacare.

    So as an alternative to drowning, you want the GOP to propose, what, strangulation? DOING NOTHING is better than doing damage.

    See my first comment above.

    Thanks for NOT denying dems will not accept malpractice reform. The “cost” you talk of does NOT consider the cost of unnecessary tests, etc to avoid being sued, just premium costs. But that is only ONE of the points of the GOP plan. I guess you see no problems with the rest of it since that is all you can attack.

    Open minded
    The GOP does not accept it, and opinion polls show most of the US opposes it. And no, they did not invent it in the first place. None of them, not one, was allowed ANY input into the process. To say they invented it is like saying Marx invented the United Order.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    @2 bits
    Well ya, I wouldn't let someone who threatened to kill my baby 50 plus times anywhere near it. The Republicans aren't suggesting changes or improvements. They want to throw the whole thing out. So for me your analogy falls a bit flat.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    Obamacare never was about healthcare, rather, it was all about CONTROL. We had it (control of our healthcare) and the government thought THEY should have it.

    Obamacare is not sustainable; unless you accept the fact that premiums/deductibles will continue to rise until they devour 50% or more of your paycheck. How high do the supporters of Obamacare need to see the premiums rise until they decide Obamacare isn't the answer?

    BTW - The "subsidies" costs will be absorbed by the middle class - further deteriorating their take-home income. The "rich" aren't interested in paying them (and are able to "buy" their way with legislators so they aren't required to), and the "poor" don't have the means to pay them. That leaves all of US in the middle class to pay them.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    Republicans hate ObamaCare, right up until they are clicking "confirm" on

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    They've accepted Obamacare as long as they can make people think it's something other than Obamacare. Like how McConnell dismissed a reporter's question about getting rid of Kynect (Kentucky's Obamacare exchange) suggested that that's unrelated to repeal of Obamacare.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 4, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    Democrats flip out if Republicans touch ObamaCare, or even mention ObamaCare.

    But that's sorta understandable. You would keep an eye on them and maybe even over-react sometimes if somebody in your family tried to steal YOUR baby...

    I think they know they "can't touch this" (MC Hammer)... they've been beaten over the head over it about enough by now I would think.

    Now it's time to let the American experience ObamaCare in all it's glory. Of course all of it doesn't get implemented for 4 more years but... when it does... we will see if the people really like it or not.

    If they don't... that's tough... because you can't touch it, or Democrats will FREAK out...

    So I hope we like it. Or at least where it's intended to lead us (in the next decade)...

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 4, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    Has the GOP accepted Obamacare?


    Accept it?

    Heck, they were the one's who invented it in the first place!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 4, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    @The Rock – “They will never support reasonable malpractice reform.”

    The most generous estimates suggest medical malpractice costs account for 1-2% of total costs… hardly the fix needed for the country who spends double what the next most advanced county in the world spend per capita on medical care.

    Until conservatives recognize that the market for medical care is fundamentally different than the market for toasters (and will not respond to the same competitive market signals) their ideas on how to reform the system will all be small band aids at best and (since ideology often provides the wrong answers) potentially misguided & harmful.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 4, 2014 11:34 a.m.


    No, it is not a fact that the GOP has no alternative to Obama Care.
    It is a fact that no liberal media outlet will report on it.

    The Republican plan has been out there since the days of Newt Gingrich. It focuses on reducing the cost of health care so everyone can afford it. That is something that should be done regardless of who pays for it.

    The Democrats are in bed with the American Trial Lawyers Association. They will never support reasonable malpractice reform. In fact Obama Care outlaws any tort reform related to medical malpractice. The gotta take care of the lawyers.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    June 4, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    What the progressive Repubs recognize their is a growing number of takers in the country. That's a hard hurdle to overcome. All empires fall when the people want to be taken care of, and were a declining empire. Just consider obamacare another nail in the coffin. Follow the shining light of conservative, and gospel principles. You'll be okay.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    June 4, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Yes, as more of their constituents become insured for the first time, it becomes difficult to insist on repeal. Now they say, well we like the "no pre-existing conditions" part and we like the "you're on until you're 26 part", etc. (naming each portion of the ACA), but "we don't like the law!" Yeah, ok, whatever. If that helps you win elections with the totally uninformed, I guess do whatever it takes. Only the most uninformed think that you can pay for all of these "good" parts of the law without the individual mandate (which apparently now is the only part of the law Republicans don't like.)

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 4, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    GOP acceptance of the Affordable Care Act will be proportionate to their constituency's coming to embrace it. They won't be able to do otherwise.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 4, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Prisoners marched to the gallows for execution have no say in their future.

    Pretty much the same for Republicans who do not have the votes to repeal or replace Obamacare. The Republicans in the House have passed numerous bills to repeal or modify this train wreck, but Harry Reid refuses to even allow a vote on them in the Democrat controlled Senate. A few conservatives (not necessarily synonymous with "Republicans") have boldly stood up in the Senate trying to get them to take action to modify Obamacare. But wise and brave Senators like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul were not backed up by other "moderate" (or despicable, in my opinion) "Republicans."

    Remember, "If you like your doctor, you can keep him" was a promise, not a guarantee. In reality, it will be more like "If you can find a doctor, you will be lucky."

    Obamacare is only one aspect of our formerly great and prosperous nation that is being systematically destroyed by Obama. Too often Republicans are merely sitting by talking "moderation" and doing nothing to save us.

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    June 4, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Has the GOP accepted reality? No, and accepting Obamacare will come if and when that happens.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 4, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Isn't it obvious that there is no GOP/Tea Party alternative to the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare?

    Isn't it a fact that many Republican governors, including the Utah one, are now asking for bits of ACA, if not the whole thing?

    Isn't it a fact that the issue really gins up the base, but leaves the rest of us tired of the endless, mindless opposition to what is a relatively good bill?

    Isn't it a fact that unless we have a Republican President, with a filibuster proof Senate, and a majority in the Congress, that the ACA will never be repealed?

    Like it or not, the law is here to stay. Efforts by Republican/Tea Party people would best serve their constituents by working to change the deleterious portions of the law. Of course, that might be serving the interests of the majority of their constituents. The RTP'ers seem be looking only to slime the President and anything a Democrat might do. So I don't expect anything to change. We are still fighting about Roosevelt, and the man is dead for 70 years!