Rally to 'Save the Salt Lake Tribune' draws crowd to downtown Salt Lake

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  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    @Truth...I'm most certain when you refer to the "low information crowd that supports Obama" you are referring to the many of us that posses Ivy League Degrees such as yours truly. The crowd that actually prefers thinking for ourselves. Try it sometime. It's quite liberating!

  • A BYU Man Am I Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    I'm honestly confused by the people saying that the Tribune is "failing as a newspaper", and that "its management simply does not understand that a business will stay in business only as long as it it profitable, and profits come from providing goods or serviced that customers will buy", and that "fewer and fewer people care about buying it". What are your sources for those statements? All the the statistics I can find show that the Tribune is doing better than the Deseret News.

    I like the Deseret News, but I don't think makes sense for them to distibute the money 70:30 in their favor when the statistics show it should be split about 60:40 in favor of the Tribune.

  • Socal Coug San Diego, CA
    June 5, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    "Why does a church own a newspaper?"
    A lot of comments asked this question.
    Churches own lots of things, that's how they survive as churches. The LDS Church is no different, making investments in a variety of things.
    I'm not that sharp on my church history, but I'm pretty sure the DN has been there a very long time.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Obviously those that support the Tribune are kept from commenting regarding this article. Being told that my comments are in a "hold" status and awaiting approval from "Editors". It's been over 15 hours! This alone is a perfect reason why the people of this State need two voices and news sources. Especially one that does not practice censorship!

  • A BYU Man Am I Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    I think the uproar from Tribune fans comes from distribution stastistics. In March 2014, the Monday-Saturday subscibers for the Tribune were 61,475 verses 40,176 for the Deseret News (source: Allience for Audited Media). The Sunday subscribers for the same time period were 80,818 for the Tribune and 109,330 for the Deseret News (same source). However, more than half the Sunday subscibers for the Deseret News only receive the national faith-based edition, which the Deseret News practically gives away for free. So based off of distribution statistics, the Tribune is more lucrative than the Deseret News. I would have to agree with Tribune supporters: since the Tribune has more money-making subscribers than the Deseret News, what is the Deseret News' justification to split the earnings 70:30 in favor of itself?

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    I stopped reading the Trib several years ago for the same reason as others have mentioned above. It become so slanted and biased and I wanted a more factual representation of the news of the day. Reading the DesNews was easier and although the content leans to the conservative side it's more balanced and objective than the Trib has been for years. Doesn't hurt my feelings one bit if the Trib faded away. They brought this on themselves.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    June 4, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Jim Dabakis should buy the Trib and design a strategy to make the Trib profitable. For those who are emotionally charged because of the Trib's demise, the printing press is going away. These are big name newspapers who are in trouble due to lack of readership: 1. Seattle Post-Intelligencer; 2. Rocky Mountain News; 3. Philadelphia Daily News; 4. Miami Herald; 5. San Francisco Chronicle; 6. Detroit News; 7. Chicago Sun-Times; 8. St. Paul Pioneer Press; 9. Los Angeles Times; 10. New York Daily News. It all boils down to substance. I gave up on reading the Trib because of its lack of newsworthy substances, although packed with other liberal stuff I do not care for. On the other hand, DN sometimes print stuff I do not care for either. The demonstrators should pool their money and buy the Trib so they can compete with others in the market of ideas for readership. DN must adhere to the core values of its owners while maintaining its credentials as a newspaper. The Trib did just that. The market or public has spoken and has determined the Trib's demise. Would you keep spending money in a business that is losing money despite getting free rent and no overhead?

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    June 4, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    Thank heaven the church owns a newspaper! I can read it and not have to worry about sleazy ads that connect to porn sites. I can also read about values that reflect my own. That's WHY the church owns a newspaper. Good for the LDS church! If you don't like it … DON"T BUY IT! It's that simple.

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    I am in favor of continuing the SLTrib as a commercial venture. To imply that a newspaper is anything more than that seems rather disingenous. If Dabakis thinks it is so vital to mantain a "voice" that represents him, please let him raise the money to buy it himself.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    The Tribune has become little more than a dishonest propaganda machine. I used to read it daily but I, like other Conservative voices, was silenced, and was banned from commenting TWICE- once for pointing out that hating and threatening religious minorities is actually hating (activists were posting typical tribhate and I pointed out that if such things were said about gays, or other more liberal minority groups, then there would be action, but saying such things about Conservative religious people seems encouraged by the Tribune (Tribune responded by disabling my account and explained that they didn't "have time" to read a different point of view, but they let the hate continue unfettered and without question). The second time was for telling some truths about homosexuality (they didn't just delete the comments, but disabled my account and, again, allowed liberal activists to continue an almost frenzied dishonest hate festival, it was really sad to watch).

  • Born in Bountiful Provo, Utah
    June 3, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    The LDS church, owes no allegiance to the Trib, which bashes it and its policies at every turn. But as an LDS church member, I am satisfied that my donations go in part to subsidize the Trib, because I don't want to hear the outrage if the Trib can't make it on its own. The LDS church can compete with private business, because that business is owned by the profit making, tax-paying business the church owns. The argument that a church should not compete with a private business is based on the idea that a non-taxed organization should not have a competitive edge over a tax paying organization. That old argument does not carry any weight as the DN pays taxes on its profits, thus the LDS church is paying taxes on the profits of a company it owns. Bottom line, Trib lovers - if you like the Trib buy a subscription.

    June 3, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Anyone who believes Dabakis would hold a rally to save the Deseret News, please stand on your head...

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    June 3, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Article quote: "Sen. Jim Dabakis spoke at the rally at the Salt Lake City-County Building and like others present, placed the focus on the competing Deseret News, owned by the LDS Church and for decades a partner with the Tribune in a joint operating agreement that shares advertising revenues while keeping the papers' editorial voices separate."

    Ahhhhh......once again, those old devils, the Mormons. They cause ALL the problems.

    Got it.

    I quite reading the Tribune simply because it was becoming more and more liberally biased/slanted against the LDS church. The comments from online readers were routinely over the top and full of hatred and spite against all things LDS.

    Is anyone surprised that supporters of the SL Tribune are blaming the LDS church for its problems? Anyone?

    And even here some posters are claiming that the "dominate culture" (code for "the LDS church") wants to suppress free speech.


    No, all we want is truth and civility.

    That's it, guys....simply "truth" and "civility".

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    "Personally, I prefer the tribune, but the online site of the DNews is much quicker loading between pages, so I read more DNews stories than sltrib stories"

    Same. I'd also add that it's actually possible to have a conversation here in the comments thanks to the moderators (otherwise it'd just be an awful mess like the Tribunes comment forums, except of course the partisan skew here would be like The Blaze's comment forum).

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 3, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    To those complaining about 'slanted' news on the Trib, you should try reading the articles in the DN. Talk about slant!

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    If they get rid of the Tribune, I won't bother to read the local paper at all. I don't mind reading the Deseret News, but it is all from the Mormon point of view and it gets old very fast! We have enough of it every day! I shouldn't be that way. I have read a lot of good articles and opinions in the Deseret News, but I , along with many others like to hear about stories and opinions that are different! Mormons don't seem to do that. When I worked at History, I would take in money for the newsletter. Every single time that they printed a story about non Mormons, I would get nasty notes and even phone calls. people would tell me that if they were going to print Catholic history or some other non Mormon story, they would stop taking the newsletter! I am not kidding! That is how it is in this state, a lot of people simply ignore all the great things that are not Mormon! This is just another example. Oh well, that is life. Life goes on.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 2, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    interesting that those complaining that the SL market will be down to only one voice are sounding their alarm on the internet, where there are untold millions of voices. Don't like the DN, look for news on-line. Who needs the trib for that?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    The low information Voters of the SLTRIB who bought Obama's line about spreading the wealth are finding out, that unless you make a profit, you will go the way of the buggy whip. To bad the owners of the tribune didn't realize that until it is now too late!

    The tribune is so out of touch just read the archive of bagheads cartoons and you will quickly see why!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    June 2, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    To those saying that we need mroe diversity, look at the source for most of the articles within the DN.

    Most of the articles come from 2 sources, the AP or Reuters. Does it really matter if it is the DN or the Tribues that collects and arranges the articles? The only difference between the 2 papers are local stories and opinion pieces. Since the tribues is dying slowly, its supporters should ask why before they blame the DN.

  • Idaho_Boy Aberdeen, ID
    June 2, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Why is the Tribune failing? It is an easy answer, they lost their niche. DNews is produced by the LDS church and has a natural readership. Why does the LDS church need a newspaper? Because they feel they have a message worth sharing and one way to ensure that the message makes it into the world is to have their own media outlets.

    The SLT offered a different perspective and that worked for many years in Salt Lake. However today, if you want a different perspective you can go to hundreds of websites, like the New York Times, and get almost the same perspective.

    The DNews attracts a world audience, so their readership is larger than Salt Lake, but so far the Tribune's market place is the every shrinking print media news in the Salt Lake market. I used to be a former Tribune subscriber when I lived in SLC, but I go to their website and find nothing that I want to read. Unless the Tribune can find a new niche, unfortunately the only thing ahead is more decline until it disappears.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 2, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    THe only reason that I even look at the Tribune is because I read Kirby, and look at the occasional Bagley cartoon. No other reason for reading it.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    June 1, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    If the tribune has people who want to subscribe and/or support financially, they will be fine. If the don't have the quality people want, they will eventually go under. That's how freedom and natural law work. Freedom of speech exists with or without the tribune. But the tribune can't decide what the consequences are if they decide to use that speech in a way that few want to hear what they say.

    Personally, I prefer the tribune, but the online site of the DNews is much quicker loading between pages, so I read more DNews stories than sltrib stories as I spend about 15 mins per day reading each.

  • Ett Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 8:13 p.m.

    Some people nailed to problem without realizing it. Papers aren't supposed to be about "liberal" or "conservative" views. We have plenty of magazines, radio and tv shows for that purpose. Newspapers are supposed to be about news. They're [News]papers, not agenda papers. The Tribune stopped objectively reporting the news years ago. Their reporting is so slanted, they should change the name of the paper to the "Blame Bush" Gazette. The rally was a pathetic, misguided attempt to save the paper. It fails to address the real problem, which is people aren't interested in reading the Tribune. Rather than find ways to generate interest, the rally attendees played the blame game. Go ahead, stay on that path. If you listen carefully, you'll hear the sound of the Tribune sinking from sight forever.

  • bobdc6 park city, UT
    June 1, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    Central, UT

    "Why doesn't every Church own a newspaper? Are they somehow excluded from 'Freedom of the Press'?"

    Just like government, a church shouldn't compete with a private business.

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    June 1, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    Why should the DesNews (Church) subsidize a poorly run company? Why should the DesNews (Church) not demand an equitable agreement with the Trib? Why does'nt the Trib just the DesNews (Church) that it can be profitable on it own and do everything itself? Why do all you Trib lovers come here to post your grievances and not BUY a subscription to the Trib?

    A contract that does not make sense for both parties, is not a fair contract.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    June 1, 2014 6:15 p.m.


    Why doesn't every Church own a newspaper? Are they somehow excluded from 'Freedom of the Press'?

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    June 1, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    I hope that the paper does not go under. It is dangerous to only see the world through one view point. Utah needs both a liberal and a conservative paper.

  • USA Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    We take both newspapers at our house. Have done so for years. We value both. Each publishes stories the other doesn't. Taken together, one gets a more complete awareness of events and viewpoints in our community and state. They are equally important and enlightening.

  • biil Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    The Trib's economic performance is comparable to local and regional papers that seem to be finding a path toward a sustainable baseline. The killers, unique to the Trib, are owners (a hedge fund) that will not re-invest profits in a digital future and a new amendment to the joint operating agreement amendment. Right now, the Trib only gets 30 percent of the revenue it generates with its partner, the Deseret News. From all appearances, the amendment violates anti-trust provisions of the Newspaper Preservation Act. The rally demonstrates community support for a Justice Department investigation.

  • biil Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    The Trib's economic performance is comparable to local and regional papers that seem to be finding a path to sustainability. The killers, unique to the Trib, are owners (a hedge fund) that will not re-invest profits in the newspaper's digital future and a new amendment to the joint operating agreement amendment. Right now, the Trib only gets 30 percent of the revenue it generates with its partner, the Deseret News. From all appearances, the amendment is using anti-trust exemptions built into the Newspaper Preservation Act to further strategic business interests of both Alden Global/Digital First and Deseret News Publishing Co. The rally demonstrates community support for a Justice Department investigation.

    A CLARIFICATION from Digital First: "New York, N.Y. (December 30, 2013) – Digital First Media today announced the MediaNews Group and 21st Century Media combination has been finalized and that the two Companies will operate under the Digital First Media name. The transaction, first announced on December 17, brings together the two companies jointly managed by Digital First Media under one name."

  • Max Upstate, NY
    June 1, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    It used to be that I would go to the Trib first and see what was there. Then I would come here to the DN. That was my routine for many years. In the past year, I have noticed that I come to the DN first, then the Wall Street Journal, then -- If I remember -- I will glance at the Trib to see if there was anything worth reading. It was never a conscious decision. It just started happening. Now, I might go several days before it occurs to me to check the Trib. WHY? DN SUBSCRIBER's comment above is right on target. The Trib has simply lost its credibility. I'm not sure its worth saving. But if they want to be saved, they need to start producing a product that is worth reading.

  • Amazing In Utah, UT
    June 1, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    The Tribune doesn't pay rental fees because that is part of the or used JOA. The DNews gets 70% of all advertising revenue that comes from print,,but but is responsible for maintainence and operation of the facility. The Trib gets less of a share, but also cut their operating cost due to not paying rent, nor paying for upkeep on the machinery at the print facility. In addition their owners were paid millions of dollars by the news when the JOA was renegotiated.

    The Tribune asked for the new deal and was excited to sign it. Not sure how the DNews is the bad guy here.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 1, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    Being critical is easy, but the Tribune is voice, even though fewer and fewer people care about that voice. It fills a role to show a contrasting opinion on Utah politics. Having two voices, one conservative and the other liberal, helps people to compare and to contrast. The rule that I follow is to ask, "What would happen if everybody thought that way?". Asking that question often puts me at odds with the Tribune and sometimes with the Deseret News. But reading the Tribune's liberal letters and editorials always reminds me that not everyone sees the world the same.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 1, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Jim Dabakis I am singing an old song for you. It's name is Cry "Me A River."

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    June 1, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    Dear DN Subscriber: My husband (a newspaper addict) used to take both papers. He cancelled the Trib about three years ago because he just got sick of the biased content and the anti-Mormon slant of the paper. He'd just had it and didn't want to waste any more of his time reading it. If the Trib is in trouble, they have no one to blame but themselves.

  • bobdc6 park city, UT
    June 1, 2014 6:47 a.m.

    Why does a church own a newspaper?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 1:35 a.m.

    Because their combined profits are now split 70:30 for the Deseret News (that's where the perceived harm to the Tribune comes from, the belief that they will be handing over too much to be able to survive). The previous split favored the Tribune since they had the higher circulation.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    May 31, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    I used to by the Trib everyday on the newsstand because I wasn't ever sure where I would be but about five years ago I just couldn't do it any longer. Now when I read it I remember why I don't buy it still. Definitely a newspaper that lost its way. To bad, I was a delivery boy for the tribune years ago.

  • Tuffy Parker Salem, UT
    May 31, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    Sen. Jim Dabakis is mistaken that somehow there is an obligation for diversified news media in he SLC market. The obligation the newspapers have is to their owners to create profit.

    Newspapers (and other news media) have always been and will continue to be free enterprise businesses who's sole interest is creating revenue through selling advertising. This is accomplished by providing content that creates enough interest by subscribers/viewers to view the news content who are then exposed to the advertising. It is really a simple equation and hope of altruistic motives are irrational and irrelevant as are rallies to promote such.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 31, 2014 10:16 p.m.

    Tribune Editor and Publisher Terry Orme's comments at the rally (reported it he story) exemplify why the Tribuen is failing as a newspaper.

    Its management simply does not understand that a business will stay in business only as long as it it profitable, and profits come from providing goods or serviced that customers will buy.

    If all the Tribune addicts who love it so much want to see it stay in business, here are some things they can do:
    Offer to work for the Trib for free (or minimum wage) as reporters, editors, printers or in distribution.
    Sell them ink and newsprint at cheaper prices. Rent them office space at cheap prices.
    Buy extra copies of the paper. Give away subscriptions to your (soon to be ex-)friends and let them see what is in the Tribune.
    Offer to pay higher prices for the Tribune.

    See? It is simple to help the Tribune, if you really want to.

    Of course, if the Trib started reporting factual news instead of leftist talking points and advocacy journalism, they might sell more papers, and reverse their plummeting circulation.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Why does the Deseret News offer its printing facilities for free?