California students sue to overturn teacher protection laws

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  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    I applaud the efforts of these people to tear down the antiquated and entirely unjustified system of teacher tenure. There is no reason why the profession of teaching should be any more insulated and protected from the same market forces that govern every other profession.

    One need only look at the miserable results found in many school systems to realize such special treatment of teachers has NOT been good for the students.

    June 1, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    I put 3 boys through public schools in California and by and large the teachers were excellent. The exceptions on the other hand were horrifying and there was really nothing that could be done to get them out of teaching. The so called Unions are the major problem and with any luck this lawsuit will help eliminate them and teachers who belong in another field.

  • MissTeaching Layton, UT
    June 1, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    Poor teachers should be fired. I taught in the Davis School District and met only handful of teachers I felt should be let go. The problem is that if a teacher has taught for many years, to fire them is just cruel, because this is their life and they have few other skills. They should have been let go earlier in their career. I believe that intervention should be used first, before dismissing a teacher. The Real Maverick is right. The schools need more resources. Part of the reason I retired was the fact that so much was required of me that I was exhausted by the end of the week. In Davis School District, you can be fired anytime during the first three years for any reason. Teachers do need some protection, but it must be reasonable.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 1, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    ""The unions argue that the rules protecting teachers are needed for school districts to attract and retain good teachers and to ensure that employees are not fired for arbitrary or unfair reasons," Pew's Stateline newsletter reported. "They say the real issues holding back student achievement are inadequate resources, large class sizes and lack of parental involvement.""

    Anyone who has worked in our classrooms knows this is 100 percent true.

    What's holding us back aren't these darn teachers! It's the lack of resources. It's the huge class sizes.

    Here in America, we prefer to waste money on bank bailouts and wars rather than education. Bring class sizes down to 15-20 students and pay teachers like they do in Finland, get rid of the endless standardized tests, and you'll be amazed at the results.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 1, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Education is a basic right. If School districts are denying children their basic civil rights by placing them in classrooms with known incompetent teachers than the districts should and must pay for remediation and/or punitive damages. The effects of a crappy teacher can have huge financial implications on a child's lifetime earning potential, especially if that teacher comes later in a child's education.

    Good luck on the case. It is perhaps the most important one ever to be argued in the state of California regarding education.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    June 1, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    This article makes it appear that students are suing the state, but in reality it is an organization headed by an adult that is suing the state. I agree that eighteen months is too soon for teacher tenure, but teachers do need some protections from some of the wacky types of people in the general public, otherwise, every teacher would end up being fired for something within about ten years and when a teacher gets fired, it stays on their permanent record and they can't ever get another job despite spending 4-6 years investing in college for that profession. For instance, I know a parent that tried to get an English teacher fired for teaching reading to her child. She was upset because her child didn't like to read and this parent believed that kids shouldn't be reading in a Junior High English class. If this teacher didn't have some sort of protection and could be fired at will, it would have been awful.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 1, 2014 4:52 a.m.

    Teachers need to be accountable, this is good. You should have a job if you can do that job and two years is plenty of time to learn and to become comfortable in it. California teachers are paid plenty and the state throws lots of money at education so once again a Union does not want to be accountable for the actions of its members, the Union just wants to protect itself.