Interfaith group speaks out in wake of Santa Barbara shooting spree

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  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    Official figures released in February for Australia revealed a surge in crime across the nation, with nearly 15,000 more offences committed in 2012-13 than the year before — over 4 per cent jump — with big increases in the number of homicides. Yes, big increases in the number of homicides.

    Roland Browne, a spokesman for Gun Control Australia, said "Early last year the number of guns in Australia increased to levels equal or higher than at the 1996 gun buyback agreement."

    The number of guns that existed in 1996 is essentially the same today with gun control laws serving to make a simple switch.

    It does not take a rocket scientist to see that nationwide sane gun laws has helped considerably — a gun swap of epic proportions — with legal gun ownership for one group switching to illegal gun ownership for another group.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and possibly violent persons is not an exact science. Mental health professionals have little success in reliably identifying murderous patients/clients. In retrospect it is easy to blame the Santa Barbara police, psychologists/psychiatrists and others but if they become more proactive, the ACLU will make their lives more complicated. As in the NSA controversy, in order to gain more security we will be asked to give up some liberties.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 31, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    So, not only should we NOT do anything regarding guns themselves, we're even out of line when trying to find and treat people with mental illnesses. As longas we do nothing we can avoid having made any mistakes - especially when firearms are "used" incorrectly.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    May 31, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Most Gun deaths in the U.S. (which have decreased, by the way) are Gang Related. Other places don't have the Gang Problem we have. That is the primary reason why (South) Chicago has such a high gun violence rate -- for example.

    Also -- the "Crime Stats" often quoted from other places are, in my view, not to be trusted. (Neither are our own) There is a body of literature suggesting that in the U.K and Australia crime stats are often under-reported because of political embarrassment and to keep the tourists coming. In addition, the vulnerability of the U.K. population (esp. London)translates into higher mugging rates over most U.S.places.

    Also, Australia didn't have many "mass killings" in their whole history before their recent gun laws went into effect. And, they now have more home invasions and other violent crime. Thugs and other predators tend to attack the old, sick, lame, weak, and vulnerable.

    Otherwise, the places with high rates of legal gun ownership, concealed carry, etc., tend to have less violent crime. Thugs usually don't take on somebody that might shoot them -- or where some third party may shoot them!!

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    May 31, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Three posts. Three views opposing "new gun control laws". Three posters mention the need to stop people with mental problems from violence, with one claiming that innocent people have been "disarmed. Zero suggestions for treatment of mental illness. Two uses of the goofy comparison to "knife control".

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    May 31, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Concur with Brio, TechPubs, and DN Subscriber. But also, we must beware that we don't start a witch-hunt for the "mentally ill." Statistically, mentally ill people are not more violent than the rest of us. While the "deranged" sometimes do horrible things, so do the rest of us.

    We need accept that some "sane" as well as "insane" people just choose evil. It has nothing (necessarily) to do with a bad childhood or poverty or any other external cause. Most "poor people" and those with less than ideal childhoods, etc., do not choose to do (major) evil. On the other-hand, some who do not have these things in their lives choose to do major evil. It boils down to choice, accountability, and responsibility. And, the rest of us shouldn't have our rights infringed because somebody else chose to do evil.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 30, 2014 8:00 p.m.

    A previous poster's claim "People in Chicago and New York can go to a neighboring state and buy all the guns they want." is totally false.

    It is illegal for anyone to buy a handgun anywhere except the state of their residence, and illegal to sell a handgun to anyone except a resident of the seller's state. Big time federal felony there, so don't tell us they can do that when it is already illegal.

    It is also illegal to kill people, but that does not seem to stop killers. Most drugs are illegal as well, and we have had a "war on drugs for decades." Remind me how that is going.

    Banning things never stops criminals. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

    To the nice, but terribly naive religious folks, you are shooting at the wrong target. You need to be aiming for better control of crazy people, not guns. But, if you insist on gun control, your agenda is showing when you do not use these mass murders to demand knife control as well.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    Australia outlawed assault rifles after a mass shooting years ago, they have not had one since. England has very few gun deaths because of sane gun laws. People in Chicago and New York can go to a neighboring state and buy all the guns they want. Canada's gun laws keep the death toll down up there,people can still get guns, but they have sane regulations. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that nationwide sane gun laws will help considerably.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    May 30, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Remember that 50% of the innocent people he killed were killed with a knife. So where is the request for more knife laws? And you can spare me the "but guns were invented to kill" because for all we know knives were also designed to kill. You will notice that the article mentions he had 3 semi-automatic hand guns. Do you know that the S$W model 1 revolver and the Single Action Colt Revolver invented in 1873 could both be considered a semi-automatic hand gun? But the first label of semi-automatic hand gun wasn't until 1913.

    But the real problem is with people who are mentally unstable according to our society being able to legally obtain guns.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Though perhaps well intentioned, these groups simply don't understand that more gun laws won't change the violent nature of mentally sick people, nor would they have stopped this tragedy from happening. When there's a will, there's always a way. And this guy had an evil will.

    Statistics speak for themselves. Chicago and New York have some of the very tightest gun control laws in the nation. And yet they continue to be two of the most violent cities with some of the highest murder rates in the entire nation. More gun laws only disarmed honest people and made them easier victims to people who ignore gun laws in those areas.

    It's not rocket science to see how this works or doesn't work. And more gun laws doesn't work.