Official figures released in February for Australia revealed a surge in crime
across the nation, with nearly 15,000 more offences committed in 2012-13 than
the year before — over 4 per cent jump — with big increases in the
number of homicides. Yes, big increases in the number of homicides.Roland Browne, a spokesman for Gun Control Australia, said "Early last
year the number of guns in Australia increased to levels equal or higher than at
the 1996 gun buyback agreement."The number of guns that existed
in 1996 is essentially the same today with gun control laws serving to make a
simple switch. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that
nationwide sane gun laws has helped considerably — a gun swap of epic
proportions — with legal gun ownership for one group switching to illegal
gun ownership for another group.
Involuntary commitment of mentally ill and possibly violent persons is not an
exact science. Mental health professionals have little success in reliably
identifying murderous patients/clients. In retrospect it is easy to blame the
Santa Barbara police, psychologists/psychiatrists and others but if they become
more proactive, the ACLU will make their lives more complicated. As in the NSA
controversy, in order to gain more security we will be asked to give up some
So, not only should we NOT do anything regarding guns themselves, we're
even out of line when trying to find and treat people with mental illnesses. As
longas we do nothing we can avoid having made any mistakes - especially when
firearms are "used" incorrectly.
Most Gun deaths in the U.S. (which have decreased, by the way) are Gang Related.
Other places don't have the Gang Problem we have. That is the primary
reason why (South) Chicago has such a high gun violence rate -- for example.Also -- the "Crime Stats" often quoted from other places are, in
my view, not to be trusted. (Neither are our own) There is a body of literature
suggesting that in the U.K and Australia crime stats are often under-reported
because of political embarrassment and to keep the tourists coming. In
addition, the vulnerability of the U.K. population (esp. London)translates into
higher mugging rates over most U.S.places.Also, Australia
didn't have many "mass killings" in their whole history before
their recent gun laws went into effect. And, they now have more home invasions
and other violent crime. Thugs and other predators tend to attack the old,
sick, lame, weak, and vulnerable. Otherwise, the places with high
rates of legal gun ownership, concealed carry, etc., tend to have less violent
crime. Thugs usually don't take on somebody that might shoot them -- or
where some third party may shoot them!!
Three posts. Three views opposing "new gun control laws". Three posters
mention the need to stop people with mental problems from violence, with one
claiming that innocent people have been "disarmed. Zero suggestions for
treatment of mental illness. Two uses of the goofy comparison to "knife
Concur with Brio, TechPubs, and DN Subscriber. But also, we must beware that we
don't start a witch-hunt for the "mentally ill." Statistically,
mentally ill people are not more violent than the rest of us. While the
"deranged" sometimes do horrible things, so do the rest of us. We need accept that some "sane" as well as "insane"
people just choose evil. It has nothing (necessarily) to do with a bad
childhood or poverty or any other external cause. Most "poor people"
and those with less than ideal childhoods, etc., do not choose to do (major)
evil. On the other-hand, some who do not have these things in their lives
choose to do major evil. It boils down to choice, accountability, and
responsibility. And, the rest of us shouldn't have our rights infringed
because somebody else chose to do evil.
A previous poster's claim "People in Chicago and New York can go to a
neighboring state and buy all the guns they want." is totally false.It is illegal for anyone to buy a handgun anywhere except the state of
their residence, and illegal to sell a handgun to anyone except a resident of
the seller's state. Big time federal felony there, so don't tell us
they can do that when it is already illegal.It is also illegal to
kill people, but that does not seem to stop killers. Most drugs are illegal as
well, and we have had a "war on drugs for decades." Remind me how that
is going.Banning things never stops criminals. The only thing that
stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.To the nice, but
terribly naive religious folks, you are shooting at the wrong target. You need
to be aiming for better control of crazy people, not guns. But, if you insist
on gun control, your agenda is showing when you do not use these mass murders to
demand knife control as well.
Australia outlawed assault rifles after a mass shooting years ago, they have not
had one since. England has very few gun deaths because of sane gun laws. People
in Chicago and New York can go to a neighboring state and buy all the guns they
want. Canada's gun laws keep the death toll down up there,people can still
get guns, but they have sane regulations. It does not take a rocket scientist to
see that nationwide sane gun laws will help considerably.
Remember that 50% of the innocent people he killed were killed with a knife. So
where is the request for more knife laws? And you can spare me the "but guns
were invented to kill" because for all we know knives were also designed to
kill. You will notice that the article mentions he had 3 semi-automatic hand
guns. Do you know that the S$W model 1 revolver and the Single Action Colt
Revolver invented in 1873 could both be considered a semi-automatic hand gun?
But the first label of semi-automatic hand gun wasn't until 1913. But the real problem is with people who are mentally unstable according to our
society being able to legally obtain guns.
Though perhaps well intentioned, these groups simply don't understand that
more gun laws won't change the violent nature of mentally sick people, nor
would they have stopped this tragedy from happening. When there's a will,
there's always a way. And this guy had an evil will. Statistics
speak for themselves. Chicago and New York have some of the very tightest gun
control laws in the nation. And yet they continue to be two of the most violent
cities with some of the highest murder rates in the entire nation. More gun laws
only disarmed honest people and made them easier victims to people who ignore
gun laws in those areas. It's not rocket science to see how
this works or doesn't work. And more gun laws doesn't work.