Conservative United Methodists say divide over sexuality is ‘irreconcilable’

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  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    May 30, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    I wish to congratulate RedWings on his courageous post. I believe that it takes guts in this day and age to say that you have struggled with, and overcome, SS attractions. I do believe that the Lord God, who made us all, can help us to overcome ANY struggle with addiction, addictive behaviors, and so on. However, it takes humility and a willingness to listen to something other than our own voices, something that the World is not willing to do. People, of course, are on a broad spectrum with regard to attraction. Some more, some less. There is no scientific evidence that SS attraction will be "cured". However, there are many people, like Redwings, who claim that they once felt SS attraction and now are happily married to an opposite gender spouse. I know of a few myself. These people likely took advantage of what the gospel had to offer in terms of "help". God bless.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    @ Willem,

    You're advocating not being left behind on this topic.
    Just off-hand, if there is anything that comes to mind that I'd actually like to be left behind in, it's the topic of same sex marriage.

    If I wrote exactly how the concept of SSM makes me personally feel, the DN probably wouldn't print it. I'm not sure why, because it's being totally honest about my and many other peoples' feelings regarding the subject. Perhaps that's one reason why the silent majority remains so silent. So much for the concept of freedom of speech in open forums.

    Many liberals would rather have people lie about their true feelings and just pretend they feel differently than they actually do... and thus be more in line with what's political correct.

    God made His feelings explicitly clear about homosexuality in the Scriptures, but the DN often declines to print any quotes or references to them. I guess such things are just not politically correct enough. And being PC is such a big deal in the current world we live in.
    But I'll always choose being Biblically correct over politically correct any day.

  • Sagacious Logan, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    @ Kings Court:

    Your comment is a very sad one. In one way, I'm surprised that anyone "liked" it, but upon further pondering about human nature, I became surprised more didn't. Personally, your comment came across as a prevarication.

    Human nature makes it so that people will look for any excuse to disavow their personal conscience. They don't like the feeling of guilt when they do something they know is inherently wrong. Having religious convictions does that to people. It makes them feel guilty when go against commandments of God... and then hopefully, to change their actions to come more in line with what God has promised is the only way to lasting happiness. And indeed it is.

    To "ditch" religion and consider it "liberating" is purely a cop-out of personal responsibility. It's a pronouncement of deciding to go along with the ways of the world. It's why reading your comment was so sad. Such a person has acquiesced.

    What is genuinely liberating is finally finding true religion (not the man-made apocryphal versions) and enjoying the accompanying and consequential feelings. I sincerely hope that someday you're able to actually go through that experience.

    May 29, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Humanism sets individuals as the arbiter of their own morals and ethics. That is all well and good, but it is too easy to change them at whim. If I make a personal ethical decision that shoplifting is wrong, but then when I am hungry decide to steal a candy bar, humanism allows me to justify my unethical behavior. Humanism does not provide a moral anchor.

    I am more free since I returned to religion. I am free from the immoral behaviors I gave in to and then justified in my own warped idea of ethics. For me, to be without God would truly be a prison.

    I find it interesting that as our society becomes more "enightened", those who claim so much enlightenment are the ones who become more bigoted and intolerant....

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 29, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    ""Mormon friends are you listening? Same sex is at our doorstep soon and equality will sweep the nation, don't be left behind!"
    Clearly Mormons ARE listening! We are listening to God's mouthpiece on the earth: that being President Thomas S. Monson, he is God's Prophet, Seer, and Revelator. The laws of a city, state or nation may change and many are doing just that. God's laws do not change at the whims of public opinion. Changes in federal laws or state laws notwithstanding Sodomy is still sin.

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    May 28, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    Mormon friends are you listening? Samesex is at our doorstep soon and equality will sweep the nation,dont be left behind!

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    May 28, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    Similar debates occurred within the Catholic church during the reformation, especially concerning the issue of divorce, which in the time period was a big deal (if not bigger deal) than gay marriage is today.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    May 28, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    Ditching religion is one of the most liberating things a human can do for him/herself. Not feeling controlled by an organization is just pure bliss.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    "No rules"

    for me, I'm freeeee! Heh, okay, just one problem... I thought the progressives were the big gov't regulators who want all sorts of rules put into place...

    "Some denominations completely ignore the New Testament commandments of Jesus"

    ...and I thought the progressives were the ones allegedly attacking churches...

    "We see today many protestant denominations radically altering what it means to be a Christian." quite frankly I would have thought that, as someone who is part of an often unfairly marginalized church with regards to how Christian they are, you'd be sensitive to making similar attacks against other denominations.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    May 28, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    Posting falsehoods should not be allowed.

    Patriot wrote: "Today we see the liberal progressive movement attempting to remove ALL of God's commandments and replace them with mans exceptions."

    Liberal progressive movement is political, not religious. There is no official religion for liberalism/progressivism, just as there is no official religion for conservatism.

    "Humanism is a form of atheism and makes man and his desires supreme. No rules!"

    False. There are varieties of humanism that are religious, including Christian humanism. And there are atheists who are not humanists. None of such -isms, however, advocate "no rules". With few exceptions, humanists and atheists believe in morality, ethics, and rules.

    "Pegan" ideology? If you can't spell it, how can you truthfully write about it?

    "Some denominations... basically do a 'search and replace' of the New Testament and form their own modified version..."

    You mean the way Thomas Jefferson did? Jefferson was a true Patriot, not a PINO (patriot in name only).

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    May 28, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    Amen Patriot

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    May 28, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    "Humanism is a form of atheism and makes man and his desires supreme."

    [Christianity] is a form of [barbarism] and makes man and his [patriarchal] desires supreme.

    May 28, 2014 1:01 p.m.


    Especially this one:

    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Matthew 7:1-3

  • slcdenizen Murray, UT
    May 28, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    This is exactly what Jesus had in mind, lol.