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  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    If the CEOs salary went exclusively to increase hourly workers' wage, what would be the net effect, $0.05, $0.50 or$5.00 per hour increase? It is a quaint publicity stunt, but what are the real effects? In Marxist countries the state pretends to pay the employee and the employee pretends to work.

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    Neal doesn't understand the American consumer who is always looking for the lowest price. That is why they continue to patronize businesses that employ illegal aliens. It is also the reason that American producers are unable to compete with countries with far cheaper labor such as China and India. The majority of American consumers will always gravitate to the cheapest price, in spite of the fact that they know that it harms not only the national economy, but their own jobs as well.

    If illegal immigrant labor was not tolerated by consumers, prices would rise when the illegal labor was replaced by American Workers. Low income workers and the nation would benefit. Presently there is a large labor surplus which increases unemployment and depresses wages, especially for low income workers. If the flood of cheap legal and illegal were to be reduced or stopped, the labor market would tighten and wages would increase, even without a minimum wage.

    The economic laws of supply and demand cannot be repealed over time. The price and rent controls tried in the past failed. The minimum wage is a similar attempt to over ride economic laws of supply and demand.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 29, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" you seem to have a problem with business owners and the fact that they can profit from employing others.

    If it is so wrong for business owners to get rich by employing others because they are not doig the work themselves, what do you have to say about welfare.

    A welfare recipiant does not "hard work and sweat of your own brow", yet they are able to collect money, food, and other possessions through the work of others.

    If it is wrong for rich people to benefit becuase of the work of others, why is it ok for poor people to benefit because of the work of others?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 28, 2014 7:36 p.m.

    J Thompson

    Went to my 30th High School Reunion.

    Wanna know who made the most money in my Graduating class?

    The Doctors? nope
    The Lawyers? nope
    We Engineers? wrong again.
    CEO of their own companies? -- uh-uh.

    Try -- A Fast Food Owner -- by a whopping factor of 5.

    She owned 4 franchises and was making over $2 million a year -- NET profit.

    She then was able re-invested and diversivy her portfolio in various realestate, stocks, and T-bonds.
    That Netted and additional $3 million.

    She laughed and said she should have bought a Car Dealership Franchises -- they do even way better than Fast Food.

    You see -- it has very little to do with hard work and sweat of your own brow,
    and everything to do with buying and selling, and collecting what others are doing FOR you.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    May 28, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    I'll bet if an accountant sat down with that "manager", the manager would learn just how little the restaurant was really making. Throwing around words like "gross", "net" and "profits" without having an accountant verify that those words were used properly means nothing.

    How much does it cost to open a franchise? $250,000? $500,000? $1 million? More? How much would that money earn if it were left in safe stocks? There is no "free money".

    I don't know anyone dumb enough to risk $1 million on a restaurant unless he expects to make much more than he would leaving the money in the stock market. By the way, why would anyone provide jobs to people who think that griping about their pay is the best way to "manage" a business?

    If you think that there is money to be made in the fast-food business, risk your own money. If you're right, you'll make a living. If you're wrong, you'll hope that your mismanagement won't haunt you for the rest of your life.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    May 28, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal
    You ain't kidding. It's even worse when you're the manager though, because then you know how much your store is making, so you know exactly how much you're being underpaid by, and for a store that had net revenues of $2000 a day, you'd think that you could afford to pay the manager more than 9.50 an hour....

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 28, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    Running a simple "break-even-analysis" spreadsheet on a business shows just how much prices have to go up when wages are increased and throughput remains the same. Any 1st year accounting major can run the numbers. But for those who have never had to pay people, here's the basic information. You categorise all fixed expenses (rent, repair, replacement, fixed francise fees, advertising, etc.), then you categorise all variable costs per unit sold (hamburger, buns, condiments, bags, napkins, straws, etc.). Once you know how many widgets (burgers) that you can manufacture per hour, you can play with wages and prices until you see what the price per unit has to be to break-even.

    Those who have never owned a business but want to try running a business can "run the numbers" if they hire a competent accountant for a few hours. The first thing most people learn is that they're caught between the proverbial rock and the hard place. Even the smallest "problem" can eat up all the profits.

    Those who think that they can hold prices and pay more for labor without labor producing more know nothing about the business world.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 28, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    Poplar Grove, UT
    @Mike Richards


    Mike thinks things like rent/lease, power, utilities, raw materials, and transportation costs are all "fixed".

    And the only contributing factor to take into account for ANY inflation ever is those atributed to those filthy, lowly, minimum wage scum workers.

    BTW - as a "Manager", you were also paid dirt wages by the "Owners" who stopped by occasionly just to see how you are minding the place FOR him...

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    May 28, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    While I haven't owned a business i've been the manager of restaurants in 3 different fast food franchises. If you take a medium restaurant (like Arby's or Taco Bell) there are around 75 man hours a day(or 5 people working each hour, for a restaurant open for 14 hours a day) That adds up to an additional cost of around 183.75 an day. Honestly, if around 200 a day is make or breaking your store, your already in trouble. Most of the places I worked were netting around 1000 a day. And if you are moving that kind of volume you can raise the prices a minimal amount and not lose anything. Fast food restaurants raise there prices all the time because of food costs(remember how much stuff used to be on dollar menus?) An across the board minimum wage increase really isn't that much difference than beef or chicken costs spiking.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    May 28, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    What about the people like me who don't shop at Wal Mart, and won't eat at McDonalds. But I still have to pay to subsidize their wages(anyone who is an adult that works at minimum wage lives at home, has two or three jobs, or uses government assistance. How bout Wal Mart pays enough for these people to actually eat or rent an apartment. A fast food worker, who makes minimum wage and works 40 hours a week(at 2 jobs, no one is hiring minimum at full time hours) earns about $450-500 a month after taxes(you still have to pay FICA and Social Security, regardless of income) A horrible 1 bedroom a month apartment without housing subsidies is 500-600 in SL County. So remind me why just stopping shopping at Wal Mart is going to fix this problem?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 28, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    The CEO of McDonalds is paid about $8.75 million per year. McDonalds sells 6,480,000 hamburgers per day, or about 23.5 BILLION per year. McDonlds has to inflate the price of each hamburger by $0.00369 dollars to pay their CEO. So, they inflate the price of hamburger so that the price is ONE CENT higher per three hamburgers to pay the CEO's salary.

    The CEO is not the cause of McDonald's prices going up every time the minimum wage is increased.

    How much should a CEO that oversees 35,000 outlets in 119 countries be paid? How many people in America are qualified to run that large of an operation? How many people have the skills and experience to do the job? There are more than 1.7 MILLION employees whose job depends on their CEO's ability to hold market share. How many of them would lose their job if McDonald's stock price fell 25% because the CEO was floundering?

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    All of you who want workers to make more should become business owners and do it yourself. Most fast food places are owned by ordinary people hoping to make some money by leveraging everything they own but if take the incentive away to make lots of money then the reward will not be worth it.
    I am all for people earning lots of money but they need to be worth it, if not then all you have done is devalue all of us. If Walmart is such a bad place to work then why do they receive so many applications when they open a new store? Maybe they just don't realize how picked on they soon will be.
    Comparing walmart and costco are like comparing apples and oranges, different clientele, different product.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    The poorest states in the nation are in the south. The states with the lowest percentages of people paying any income taxes... are in the south. The states with lower education, more uninsured... south and south. Lowest minimum wages? South.

    If higher minimum wages are harmful, then why do the stats not line up that way?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 27, 2014 7:01 p.m.

    There is only one thing these companies understand and that is money. I predict a future where people will create change through these companies by organized social investing in order for the common worker to have a powerful voice at the shareholder meetings.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    May 27, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    Speaking of food deserts, in many inner cities the liquor store is closer to most people than the grocery store and that grocery store is often a Wal-Mart. In many small towns, the Mom and Pop has been put out of business by Wal-Mart.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 27, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    Better yet: let's cut everyone's pay to $1/hour so the greedy can hoard more money.

    I would gladly go to the restaurant that pays there employees more. That's why I always shop Costco and never shop Walmart.

    Henry Ford decided to pay all his employees well enough that they could afford to buy one of his cars. It worked out very well for his company and his employees.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    May 27, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    Third Barker: "If you don't want to shop at Wal-Mart, don't! Problem solved! No one is forced to work there or to shop there, its called freedom!"
    Many live in areas that would be called "Food Deserts" - areas where affordable, nutritious food is difficult to obtain. I have the good fortune to live in an area where there are not only many grocery and retail stores within walking distance but there are is also an abundance of farmer's markets so fresh fruit and produce is easily attainable. With regard to Wal-Mart, I also have a variety of choices and as you suggested, I choose not to shop at Wal-Mart. However, I'm not certain that is the case in all areas of the country, particularly in Utah. Last time I visited your state my luggage was lost and I was forced to buy suitable clothing quickly. My choices seemed to be either the Wal-Mart on this side of town or the Wal-Mart on the other side of town. I wonder if Utah experiences a "desert" similar to a "food desert" when it comes to choosing a retail experience other than Wal-Mart.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    May 27, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    Better yet, let's raise it to $25 and we could see if the liberals are right. Make it so no full time working person would be in poverty, and make it big enough that we can see whether raising the minimum wage kills jobs. It needs to be a big enough raise so the job losses can't be rationalized away on other issues.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    May 27, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    Here's an experiment we can try: Let's raise the minimum wage to $10.10 and see if the conservatives are right. That's really the only way we'll ever know for sure. My apologies to all the research studies on both sides that can't agree on the color of grass.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 27, 2014 2:17 p.m.


    "There is nothing more definitive than the real world proving conservatives wrong over and over again."

    Yes there is. Conservatives refusing over and over to admit that they've been proved wrong.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 27, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" but you are part of the rich, so why don't you want to pay more in taxes. You have spoken in the past about your current job. Based on where you work, and what you do, it is safe to bet that you earn over $110,000/yr. At your salary range, you are in either the top 10% of income earners or else in the top 5%. That puts you at being "rich". You may not feel rich, but according to your standards, you are part of the elite.

    If you don't like the Waltons getting billions of dollars in inheritance, please tell us that you have written a will that gives all of your wealth to the government or to charity. We wouldn't want your kids to be like the Waltons and get a boost when their parents die.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 27, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    @Copy Cat
    Murray, UT

    You always support higher taxes. What is up with the resentment? You are getting exactly what you want!

    Enjoy those warm fuzzy feelings from helping all those Wal-mart employees. It might make you feel happy for a change.

    11:56 a.m. May 27, 2014


    I only support higher taxes on the RICH,
    to pay for programs they refuse to pay to their employees through honest earned wages.

    When I see just ONE of Sam Walton's children running a cash register, stocking shelves, or being a Door Greeter -- they'll have at least earned my respect.

    Getting that kind money [note: NOT earning] $100's of Billions of Dollars to do nothing, and then under cutting and rigging the "safety net" system by supplementing and subsidizing to get even more of those "FREE" billions does not.

    WalMart is a perfect example of excesses of Billionaires gaming the system to get Corporate Welfare --

    not the 2 cent welfare of the truly poor and the homeless getting a loaf of Government cheese for their next meal.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 27, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    FreedomFighter41 says:

    "How can conservatives condone this?"

    It's what Jesus would do; apparently.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 27, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    To "Baron Scarpia" the free market does not benefit everybody. It only benefits those that want ot benefit from it. If I am lazy and don't want to improve my job skills, I will never benefit from the free market system.

    However, if I take courses in Welding, I can get a job that pays more than minimum wage and can allow me to support a family.

    Why do we need government officials dictating what the minimum wage should be? As the example of Costco has shown. Their business model is based on happy workers make happy customers. Just because Costco likes it does not mean that the government can or should force Sam's Club to do the same.

    When the government raises the minimum wage, then those that were earning slightly more than minimum will also want a raise, and in this case, the Costco Employees will want more money also becasue they went from double minimum wage to just 50% above minimum.

    To "airnaut" according to BLS minimum wage jobs only account for 4.3% of all hourly paid jobs.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 27, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    I for one have never shopped at Walmart and never will. It only encourages them. Walmart is an insidious monopsony (look it up) that is driving our entire economy into the abyss.

  • Copy Cat Murray, UT
    May 27, 2014 11:56 a.m.


    You always support higher taxes. What is up with the resentment? You are getting exactly what you want!

    Enjoy those warm fuzzy feelings from helping all those Wal-mart employees. It might make you feel happy for a change.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    No. It has to be, and can be, across the board.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 27, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Thid Barker
    Victor, ID
    Happy Valley. If you don't want to shop at Wal-Mart, don't! Problem solved! No one is forced to work there or to shop there, its called freedom!

    8:45 a.m. May 27, 2014


    Problem NOT solved --

    I don't shop there,
    I'm still being forced to pay taxes for Food Stamps and other subsides for the hard working employees of WalMart [the makers] who are making the WalMart owners and Executives Billionaires, over and over again [the takers]...

    and yes - you are suppporting Global Communism by shopping there...
    How you can sleep at night is beyond me, and I'm on a Leftie...

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "Has it ever occurred to you Wal-Mart bashers that if not for Wal-Mart poor people could not afford goods they enjoy? "

    Has it ever occurred to you that opposing the minimum wage increase harms poor people?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Thid, you are using logical fallacies to undermine commenters who don't agree with your position. No one said those who shop at WalMart are communists. It was said that the rise of WalMart with its low wages supports China (a communist nation). It was also stated that the the WalMart model is actually more reliant on government welfare programs for its success, yet your response is to tell Happy not to shop there. A substantive response would be more useful, like the idea that higher wages would actually result in better circumstances for Americans, and perhaps we would actually see more U.S. based economic activity instead of all that money flowing overseas.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    How is it fair that Walmart's CEO just triple his pay while over half of his employees are subsidized via food stamps?

    Why should I subsidize Walmart because their CEO refuses to pay its workers a decent wage?

    To me, this is a great moral threat to our society than gay marriage or abortion! CEOs using and abusing their employees and our system. Cheating us all out of billions each year!

    It's a "light" version of slavery.

    How can conservatives condone this?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    May 27, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    This "experiment" has already been done, read the Card and Krueger case study. They examined the fast food industry on the border of New Jersey and Pennsylvania in 1992 when New Jersey increased it's minimum wage. Their findings rebut every single talking point that comes from conservatives - in fact, when New Jersey raised it's minimum wage, the fast food industry saw less turnover, lower unemployment, and prices remained steady. This same case study has since been replicated countless times with virtually the same results.

    The Card and Krueger case study, along with the many others that replicate it, took naturally occurring, real world minimum wage disparities and found conservatives' claims regarding the minimum wage to be completely unfounded. There is nothing more definitive than the real world proving conservatives wrong over and over again.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 27, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Eating fast food has become ridiculous! Two milk shakes for seven dollars! Two hamburgers, fries and drinks - nearly twenty dollars! Good reason not to eat fast food.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 27, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Happy Valley. If you don't want to shop at Wal-Mart, don't! Problem solved! No one is forced to work there or to shop there, its called freedom!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 27, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Thid Barker said: "Has it ever occurred to you Wal-Mart bashers that if not for Wal-Mart poor people could not afford goods they enjoy? There is a reason poor people don't shop at Nordstrom!"

    They used to shop somewhere before walmart. Lots and lots of places in fact, with products made in places besides china.

    What better business plan than paying your employees so little that, they'll come back and spend their food stamps where they work, and hey the feds will even pay the medical benefits if they cheat the system a little more, by not allowing any but a few work full time.

    Yes thid a shining example the free market.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 27, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    airnaut. So according to you, everyone who shops at Wal-Mart is a Communist? lol

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 27, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    The only way to get business to hire people at the proper wage is to compete with them for employees. If the government would hire all unemployed workers at a minimum wage, all business operations that needed employees would have to follow. There's plenty of work to be done that ordinary people could do.

    Doing so would end poverty, welfare, and the thousands of scams in government and business that feed on poverty. It would cost less than the present system.

    No need to do away with private enterprise capitalism, just give them some real competition.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 27, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    Victor, ID
    Has it ever occurred to you Wal-Mart bashers that if not for Wal-Mart poor people could not afford goods they enjoy? There is a reason poor people don't shop at Nordstrom!

    8:04 a.m. May 27, 2014


    And by that same token,
    Has it ever occurred to you anti-Communist, anti-Socilaist, Free Market 'Merkin Wal-Mart supporters, that if not for places like WalMart, that the Communists in Red China would still be a backwards, cow plowing, rice patty, 3rd world nation would we would have no need to fear?

    Yes -- Ironic that YOU right-wingers are the biggest supporters of Communism in the World.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    May 27, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Has it ever occurred to you Wal-Mart bashers that if not for Wal-Mart poor people could not afford goods they enjoy? There is a reason poor people don't shop at Nordstrom!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 27, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    With all due respect to the previous commenters, this is not a good idea even in theory. Even at a basic level it won't work. There is more to consumers selecting a particular fast food franchise than just price. If a McDonalds in location one charges 20 cents more for a Big Mac, mot consumers won't go out of their way to patronize another one unless it is convenient to them. Just this fact alone supports the idea that an increase in the minimum wage would barely be noticed by consumers, and the increase in wages for the workers would have tremendous impact in their lives, in terms of quality of life, job satisfaction and ability to contribute more to the economy.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    May 27, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Interesting comments marxist. I worked at Marriott in the late 80's in their Architecture and Construction Division and it was common knowledge that the VP at Marriott in charge of A&C had an understanding with Disney that he would be notified of any Marriott employees applying for jobs at Disney. He would give them the OK and they would not move forward until they received that OK.

    By the way, I think you last sentence is redundant, or contains redundant terms.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 27, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    How about instead of adjusting the cost of the meal upwards, we adjust the amount of the profits that go to the CEO downwards and use that to pay the people who are actually doing the work of serving the customers their wages?

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    May 27, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    So the question for me is this: When you raise the minimum wage to $15/hour you will get $15/hour workers. What will you do with the skil-less workers?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    I wonder if the writer took note of the recent settlement between a large group of engineers and their prominent employers: Intel, Adobe, Google, and Apple. It seems these prestigious outfits were "wage fixing," having a "gentlemen's agreement" to not hire each others engineers. These outfits saved a bundle by settling out of court.

    But the big issue is the matter of price fixing, or in this case wage fixing. The virtues of the market are often touted in these blogs. But this was a case of a market not really existing. The same is true of fast food - whose vendors have an understanding as to what their respective employees should be paid. Wage fixing goes on at the low end as well as the high end.

    The writer's piece is fatuous and silly.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 27, 2014 6:54 a.m.

    an OK comment, except one thing....

    "Fast Food" isn't the only industry relying on minimum wage.

    MOST jobs in America are now minimum wage, so the idea fails.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    May 27, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    One the myths about the "free market" is that somehow if you just let the market run free, competition will prevail to the benefit of everyone. That's the theory and the values espoused by many conservatives.

    The reality is that businesses work to kill off the free market competition through various strategies so that business can distort markets to work in their favor.

    This is done via acquiring competitors (e.g., Comcast's acquisition of Time-Warner), raising switching costs on consumers so that they don't have freedom of choice (e.g., cell phone contracts that lock customers to plans for two years), forcing fees on trapped customers trying to switch (e.g., Rocky Mountain Power forcing its monopolized customers to pay $50 a year for the privilege of generating their own solar power), passing laws to keep competition out (e.g., cab companies lobbying to reduce the number of taxis in a community), etc.

    In sum, companies use "free market" tools to eliminate the free market.

    When it comes to low skill labor, we have powerful oligopolies (e.g., Walmart, McDonald's) forcing wages down. Government policy is one mechanism to counter that anti-competitive trend.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    How about another experiment? The owner pays its employees more, keeps prices the same, and takes a little less profit?

    E.g. Costco vs. Sam's Club. Costco seems to be doing quite well, yet pays its employees more than the competition. Go figure.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    May 27, 2014 5:54 a.m.

    You set up your experiment to fail. How about we look back at other raises in minimum wage, and see if it drove up prices? You will find that Americans supported the raise by still shopping in the stores that paid the new minimum wage.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    May 27, 2014 5:11 a.m.

    It’s a nice theory but we really don’t have to wait to make the comparison. And it would seem to be good business for all retail outlets to look at the comparison between Walmart and Costco such as (according to Business Week, NBC News and Glassdoor:

    Average Cashier Salary
    Walmart: $8.53
    Costco: $15.60

    Average Pay For Low-Level Managerial Position
    Walmart: $44,774
    Costco: $53,956

    Number Of Employees Receiving Health Insurance Coverage
    Walmart: "more than half" of employees
    Costco: 88% of employees
    Turnover Rate
    Walmart: 37%
    Costco: 24%
    Position On The Minimum Wage
    Walmart: Supported raising the federal minimum wage in 2006, but has remained mum in the recent debate.
    Costco: Supports raising the federal minimum wage to over $10-an-hour. CEO Craig Jelinek wrote a letter urging Congress to do so.]

    Percent Of Workforce That Is Unionized
    Walmart: 0
    Costco: 15

    CEO Compensation (2012) million ($1.3 million
    Walmart: $19.3 salary
    Costco: $4.9 million

    Most Recent Quarterly Year Over Year Earnings
    Walmart: Up 1.1%
    Costco: Up 19%

    The last item is most telling for other companies, or should be. And so, based on these numbers, which one will you support?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 2:11 a.m.

    "...if it turns out to be a good idea, other establishments would begin to follow suit..."

    But they won't, and here's why: Greed results in myopathy.

    That is, the Greedy will only see an equation of lower wages with higher profits, whereas an authentically Christian outfit, for example In-N-Out Burger, sees the Big Picture -- HIGHER wages, LOWER retail prices, AND higher quality product, equals lots and lots of happy customers, and, hence, lots of cash flow, and thus everyone wins.

    But, again, in their myopathy, the Greedy are incapable of grasping such a paradox.

    Sorry, Mr. Anderson, but In-N-Out Burger, alone, proves your thesis false.

    And Greed -- along with its accompanying sophistries, and rationalizations -- is a major problem in our day, just as Jesus envisioned it would be.

    "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matt. 19:24)