@DN News Subscriber...Care to explain how turning down funds from the Federal
Government will help our already horrible State education system? You constantly
mention future generations in many of your one sided anti liberal comments. How
would this help the younger generations? Ending The Department of Education?!
Subsidized lunch programs. That's just the start! Why don't you
investigate how many times she has raised taxes while Mayor of an extremely
small town. Love is the Tea Party expanded and we know where they are
headed...Yesterday's news. Even Republicans are becoming tired of their one
We deserve better.
Hey Mia Love fans, If you were okay with Mitt Romney attacking
Obama's record in 2012, you should be okay with Owen's attacking Mia
Love's record.No double standards now.
"Mia Love is everyone's hero. "A hero? My hero? Haha.
Mia Love is everyone's hero. What a remarkable woman with a remarkable
life. Utah will be blessed to have her represent them.
There was plenty of outside money that poured in to defeat Love. Anyone who
thinks it won't happen in this race is not in touch today's brand of
Calling ANYONE an "extremist" is absurd and foolish unless that person
is truly extreme, and that's a label left to racists, KKK, communists,
skin-heads, and terrorists. Owens has shown he's not a responsible
campaigner. He can disagree without being disagreeable.
Owens is a perfect candidate for most the posters at the SLTrib. If he gets
all your votes, he could maybe top 200.
I was not a supporter of Mia Love. I was willing to give Doug Owens a chance.
Then I watched part of the debate and it was clear....I will vote for the lesser
of two evils...I will support Mia. She at least showed some class.
LDS LiberalHow will Hillary govern when the Congress will likely
have super-majorities in both houses held by the Republicans? Clearly, the
polls show the country is making big change back to the conservative/Republican
ways in the upcoming elections. And if you don't agree with that premise,
then I absolutely don't agree that Hillary is some kind of forgone
conclusion. She is getting older fast and Reaganesque brain lock is soon to set
in. (If it isn't already). When the country sees a young Republican up
against her, I'm not so sure Hillarys personal popularity will translate
President Obama intentionally acted to make the Federal funding shutdown worse,
by closing access to monuments in Washington DC that are normally open to the
public 24/7, as if citizens could not be trusted to respect the World War II
Memorial without Obama babysitting them. He closed a public parking lot at
Mount Vernon, which only gets Federal road maintenance once a year. It actually
required EXTRA work by Federal employees to put up all those barriers! And he
has used funding shortages as an excuse to exclude citizens from the White
House. Meanwhile, he and his wife go on luxury vacations at taxpayer expense,
living the lifestyle of the superrich.
I know a newspaper doesn't like to BE the story, but will there be an
update on the Lee Benson/Mia Love controversy?There are questions about
her backstory. I'd like a follow up story on the matter.
I am a long time republican. Two years ago I had the opportunity to serve as a
delegate. I had several opportunities to meet Ms. Love, and honestly, I was so
discourages after meeting her, it made me sick. I can hardly stomach the
thought of Mia love in Washington. With that being said, Mr. Owens is not my
choice either. Either way, we are sending more useless individuals to
Washington to join the other useless individuals already there. It is pretty
@RBBThe last time they voted to raise the debt ceiling the Republicans did
not even put on a show of requiring the administration to cut anything or
present any sort of plan for at least not increasing the debt. A few
"extremists" demanded that the government address the issue. =============The time to address the debt is not when the bill
comes due, but rather when we commit to pay the bill.If you want to
cut spending, do so in the spending bills. Fighting when the debt ceiling comes
is like trying to prevent AIDS after you have contracted it.The debt
ceiling as an idea needs to go away. If you want to address debt, don't
vote yes on the spending bills. The idea we will not honor our obligations is
an extreme point of view. No two bits about it.
Not sure how much good Mia Love will do for the State of Utah - given that the WhiteHouse has the 1st Black President followed by the 1st
Woman President in it for the next 10 years...
@coleman51"The only extremists are those who inhabit the White House
and the majority party in the Senate."The Republican House has
the most partisan DW-NOMINATE score ever and that's even with a majority
(usually it's less extreme for the majority party because they tend to have
more moderates since they hold more swing districts).
Owens is all anti-Love, but says nothing of substance about his own positions.
One can read his entire campaign website and find nothing but pablum. Doug, tell
us what you stand for.
repulicans no matter tea party or not wish to make more wealth for the rich and
do not care about the rest. take federal land . they will allow any kind of
minning on any land anywhere as long as money i s to be made. utah will become a
toxic mone dump like much of wyoming and montanna are now. strip minning will
come here. it willl never end.
I hesitate to mention who I favor in this race, because my popularity will
unfairly sway so many DN readers to climb on my bandwagon, but......Owens would make a far better legislator than Love.There, now
I've done it.
How can an HONEST debate between to people with such diametrically opposed views
not be contentious?On the one side you have a Tea Party candidate, a
wannabe Koch brothers' employee, mouthing all the Koch Brothers'
approved mantras.On the other side you have a Democratic pragmatist,
who actually wants to help his district and its people progress.In a
situation like that, there's not much room for agreement.
I wanna be the first person to say it.All of the liberals who oppose
Mia Love are one of two things. They are either racists and hate blacks, or
else are male chauvanists.It has to be one of those reasons because
we know from past experience that it isn't because they will vote for
somebody with no qualifications and plans that only Mao would like.
@Kipp,If you are really a life-long Republican, how can you not be
concerned that the government has amassed $17 TRILLION in debt. $11 Trillion of
that has come in the last 13 years. The last time they voted to raise the debt
ceiling the Republicans did not even put on a show of requiring the
administration to cut anything or present any sort of plan for at least not
increasing the debt. A few "extremists" demanded that the government
address the issue. When you look at your children or
grand-children what are you going to tell them about why all of their income is
going to pay taxes and why social services have been eliminated? "Hey, when
people are having a party you do not want to sound like an extremist and ask
who's paying for all this."
If Owens is so insistent that all taxes should be bi-partisan then he is in the
wrong party or he has a seriously short memory. The largest tax increase in
American history, Obamacare, was passed without a single Republican vote. I
believe Owens is using the Democrat strategy of attack, raise doubts, but say
nothing of how you would govern. I wish he would focus more on how he would
serve us not how he feels his opponent would serve us.
The problem these days with electing Democrats is not so much who they are, but
who they will HAVE to support in Congress. In the Senate its Harry Reid, in the
House its Nancy Pelosi. A vote for Owens is the same as voting for Pelosi.
Matheson always campaigned as a moderate, but that went out the window when
voting. So the question Utahans in that district need to ask themselves, would
they elect Nancy Pelosi if she were running there. I think many Democrats,
Republicans, and Independents who in the past voted for "moderate"
Matheson, would not vote for extreme liberal Pelosi.
Does Mr. Owens have any accomplishments to indicate he would be a good
congressman, other than his family connections? Seems he had little to say about
himself, other than he's a moderate, not really a Democrat.
The democrats FEAR Mia Love. A black woman who is a tea party conservative?
Holy Cow that ruins their agenda of crying racism anytime anyone disagrees with
the Marxist in the white house. Mia will win in a landslide. The federal
department of education is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the
leftists, statists and communists ruining this country. Has education improved?
Heck no. Close it down and restore local control of schools. Better yet
privatize the school system and end the brainwashing that is getting worse every
day with common core.
Mr. Owens and Mrs. Love are guilty of receiving money from corporate interests.
Both have a copy of this survey for public officials under oath and remain
silent about it.Bribery is a crime against voter equality and must be
ended, now. Ask their opinion on Corporate Mission Laws and if this proves
Bribery? Survey-I am a public official under oath (or may become one) and
must have an opinion about the use of money or promises to influence any public
official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.I agree
that corporate political contributions are not lawful and violate state and
federal bribery statutes because of "corporate mission laws" that
protect share holders funds (from fraud/embezzlement); funds must be spent on
profit, potential profit or humanitarian expenditures only. So intent cannot be
freedom of speech but seeking influence for profit.Name(print) Sign
dateIf you believe that corporate contributions are lawful: Sign down here
instead:Name(print) Sign dateBRIBERY: The offering, giving,
receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing
the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties.
ET is Home Said: "My biggest disappointment with Mr. Owens was his disregard
for the ground rules. "Please, I've noticed a total
disregard to the rules in debate, like when Romney used notes in a PRESIDENTIAL
debate and the right was good with him breaking the rules?
I was in attendance at this debate. My biggest disappointment with Mr. Owens
was his disregard for the ground rules. The moderator explained that the intent
of this first debate was for the individual candidates to focus on THEIR ideas,
solutions and vision and specifically NOT to address each other, cross-talk, or
focus on the other candidate. Future debates would provide the opportunity for
more of that type of interaction. These rules had supposedly been agreed to
prior to the debate by both campaigns.Ms. Love's remarks were
obviously geared toward following these guidelines. Mr. Owens, however, was
constantly calling out Ms. Love by name and getting in jabs, which is what
finally lead Ms. Love to say, "you sure mention my name a lot" and lead
the moderator on at least one occasion to "remind" him about the
rules.I really don't take issue with the specific points Mr.
Owens was trying to make but given the ground rules for this event I was a
little turned off by his "attack dog" approach. I would guess he feels
the underdog at this point and is doing what he thinks he needs to do to win.
The only extremists are those who inhabit the White House and the majority party
in the Senate. If you were the head of a company and you either never submitted
a budget or worse yet, submitted one that would bankrupt your company, how long
do you think you would last? If you had massive voter fraud and yet vote every
time against any common-sense voter I.D. law, how trustworthy would you be? If
there was massive corruption and scandal at the top of your ticket and yet you
maligned anyone who wanted to find out the facts, how truthful would you be?
This is what Mia Love is fighting against and what Doug Owens supports as being
"moderate". Owens is just another Democrat lackey that will ultimately
pony up to Nancy Pelosi's extreme and corrupt agenda and not allow Utah
voters any representation.
Whoever chose the photo of the handshake accompanying this story did Owens a
huge favor. He looks pleasantly at Love while Love looks away and smirks.
I'm sure there was more to the handshake than this "moment in
time." I don't live in the 4th district so have no dog in this fight,
but IMO the editor who chose this photo has an axe to grind.
This country needs more Love!
Once again I am convinced that Mia Love is not the right candidate for us. Im
with Owens 100%.
It's hard to imagine a Democrat not named Matheson winning in Utah but I
wish Owens the best of luck.
Please, PLEASE good people of Utah, do not elect Mia Love! The ideas this lady
has are scary. I know the idea of leaving Federal money on the table is popular
right now in this state. But, if this same money is not accepted, the only
people hurt will be in our very own state. Sadly, I know she will be elected
since she has an "R" by her name.
Can anyone tell me what Mia Love brings to the table? What solutions except
defunding programs for our children? What new health care plan does she have.
What educational plans other than pushing out the Feds? She has nothing of
substance except the Tea Party rhetoric that is starting to age and fail. Bring some game plans and stop criticizing when you offer nothing to fix
the problems! Mr. Owens has the duty and the right to expose these falsehoods,
and do it in any manner that needs to be done. He isn't
attacking he is asking valid questions Ms. Love is having difficulty answering.
Thanks Mr Owens for having the courage to stand up to this!
They tried the same thing last time.Point out Mia's "Beliefs"
...and your attacking her.Point out Mia's conflicting stories about
her past...and your attacking her.Point out where Mia's funding comes
from...and your attacking her.She was for tax increases in the
"real world," because it affected her and people she knew personally and
understood as mayor that it needed to be done, to make the city a better
place.She can't, or refuses to assimilate this real world
experience into her platform because she's running as an "idealist"
instead of what we need a "realist" willing to empathize with others as
she did when Mayor. This is the problem I have with Mia, Will the real Mia Love
please stand up?Please stop with the "she's being
attacked." One of the people funding Mia's campaign is saying Hilary
has brain damage, but when she got the injury, they said she was faking it. That
is what attacking looks like.
I dunno, but it sure seems like Love has a sense of entitlement in this
Owens is pulling out the Far Left Wing tactic of Attack, Attack, Attack.
He's a massive lefty just like his Dad. He's no more moderate than I
am. I am in agreement that the Federal Department of Edumacation needs to be
disbanded and the money block granted to the states for use as they see fit for
education. I'm also in agreement that Social Security needs to be done
away with and I be allowed to invest my money in my own 401K plan for my
retirement. And I'm 56 years old.
There are three reasons people never seem to hear about the conservative
proposals on health care and immigration: 1) they get their news from the Lame
Stream Media; 2) the Dems (Harry Reid) refuse to allow legitimate debate in the
Senate; 3) the Dems rail against the conservative proposals even before they are
presented.As for the government shutdown, Obama's promise to veto
anything that even mentions Obamacare and Harry Reid's truculent
obstruction in the Senate were the true causes of the shutdown. We've seen
at least a billion dollars wasted on this botched rollout and billions more lost
in the economic impact and guess what? Health care costs are accelerating.Mia Love is a true warrior for fiscal sensibility. Raising taxes in a nascent
community is a far cry from the overgrown and bloated federal spending. If you
can't see that, your economic sense needs some sharpening.
Mr. Owens made many cheap shoots, and his plan is to follow ObamaCare. His plan
is simple: government is great and I promise you anything you want by using your
How many times do we have to hear 'I'm a moderate' from the
liberals, ( Bill Clinton, Pres. Obama, Wayne Owens etc.) who then reveal what
they really are AFTER the elections. The apple falls not very far from the
tree. Doug Owens will be just as liberal as his father was and will NOT
represent what mainstream Utah citizens are hoping for. It is typical of a
liberal to attack a person of principle rather than discuss their own agenda,
knowing that their true beliefs would offend the majority of the people. I just
wish he would be honest and state what his TRUE beliefs are.
"Owens showed that he will run an anti-Love campaign instead of a pro Owens
campaign. We have an idea who Mia Love is but we have no idea who Doug Owens is
and he did not enlighten us tonight except with his negative attitude"I would much rather hear why "I" am good rather than why my
Opponent is bad.And I wish that carried on to national politics.
The GOP has made a case for Obama being BAD, Clinton being Bad, Obamacare being
BAD and immigration reform being BAD.I have yet to see a healtcare
plan or an immigration plan that the GOP supports. All we know is that they
thing the Dems plans are bad.
I continuously hear the liberal mantra that the government shutdown cost
"billions of dollars." Where do you get your facts? Why do you ignore
the facts that the administration cherry-picked what it shut down? Why do you
ignore the fact that the closing of the federal government really had no impact
on the private economy? Why do ignore the fact that the funds regularly paid by
the government were paid anyway - most of them timely?Isn't
apparent to you that a government shutdown is preferable to a federal government
that is running with the objective of expanding its power and influence at the
expense of the citizen's freedom?
I will support Love because 1) she wants to get rid of the Federal DOE 2) she
supported Lee during the shut-down 3) she understands that the Tea-Party is
about saving this country from the economic ruin both major parties have gotten
us into.There is nothing Love needs to fear from having her record
"exposed". She should stand tall and proud.
I didn't see the debate so can't speak to what actually took place,
but from the article and the comments, it was more of a rock throwing contest.
The idea that "you should vote for me because the other guy is a
loser" has never played well for me. Stand up on your own two feet and tell
us what you will do, not what your opponent will or won't do.
Re CrodierClean campaign? Is that a hope or a prediction? Or a sign
of hard times.
There go those "extreme" tea party types who think being
$17,000,000,000,000 is a bad thing. The Democrats have it figured out. Since
the American people will no longer vote for tax and spend policies, we will just
spend and tax future generations who cannot vote yet. A vote for Doug Owens is
a vote for Nancy Pelosi. Doug will be just like his father. Pretend to be a
moderate when back in Utah, and take a hard left as soon as a lands in DC.
Goodbye love, so long happiness, ... I think I'm a gonna di-ie. ;)
I am not sure Mia could do a worse job....but if the state doesn't like
outside money coming in then we shouldn't promote tourism so much. We
should take back the federal lands so that the federal government won't
continue to subsidize us for those properties. We should be independent, maybe
even become our own country. Let's see who gets in office first and go from
there....will we continue to slide down the slippery slope or climb back to a
Mia Love is not a Conservative. She voted to raise taxes in her city three
times - but rails against state or fed efforts to do the same. Her response,
"It was necessary for the city to have the revenue it needs." Well,
everybody says that when they want to raise taxes.
WOW! From the start Owens read attacks off of cards to attack Mia. I was already
strongly leaning towards Mia, now I know that Doug brings nothing to the table
but angry attacks. It is funny to see liberals applaud Owens for attacking a
black woman when just weeks ago every attack on Obama was racist. You people
need to go look in the mirror and think long and hard.
Once again it is clear that Love is not a good choice to represent Utah.
Hopefully Owens will win.
Owens showed that he will run an anti-Love campaign instead of a pro Owens
campaign. We have an idea who Mia Love is but we have no idea who Doug Owens is
and he did not enlighten us tonight except with his negative attitude.
Owens campaign obviously jumped on the blogs immediately to declare their guy
the winner. It sounds like he doesn't have much except to attack his
opponent. She's tough. she can take it.
Mr. Owens, son of a former Utah Congressman and a lawyer... Well, I really
don't need to know much more than that about him. We have
never fared well with political dynasties, and their sense of entitlement and
superiority over the working voters (from either party!). That is strike number
one. Lawyers in Congress are a plague we should be working to fix by reducing
their numbers, not adding to them.Mia Love is a shining example of
the reality of the American dream where immigrants or their children can rise
from poverty to success through hard work, a good education, and a willingness
to take risks to get ahead. We need more people like her in Congress instead of
a bunch of lawyers who hope their family name recognition will win votes and
perpetuate their family's power.No more Clintons, Bushes,
Bennets, Mathesons, or Owens in office, please. We can do better.Finally, Owens' disrespectful and combative tone was much like Rick
Lazio's debate with Hillary Clinton, earning him a media tongue lashing for
picking on women. I am sure that attacks on conservative black women will evoke
similar outrage in the media...
I am a life-long republican that is growing old of the Tea Party antics. If Ms.
Love cannot distance herself from the Tea Party, my vocal support will go
against her. Say what you will about Owens, but they are battling
for the job. The same can be said about the frustration strewn across
Love's face. I'm anxious to see how else Ms. Love can
highlife the color orange.
"...and then declared she [Love] was committed to keeping the promises made
to seniors."Can anybody tell me what that means? Does this
include trying to convert SS to 401k's?
How frightening. Can you imagine no federal subsidies for our terrible
under-funded education system? What does she propose, the feds give the money
directly to those who staunchly under-fund it? I dread to see where that money
would go...certainly not to the teachers who desperately try to teach our
multitude of children. I have no trust in the Utah Senate that has repeatedly
ignored the will of the UT people. At least the Feds care about the education
of our children.
Wow! Sounds like Owens visibly frustrated Ms. Love. Substantive and realistic
solutions will need to become part of Love's campaign or I'm throwing
my hat in Owens camp.
The agreed "rules" of the debate were violated in spirit as soon as Doug
started speaking today. He came across as someone that couldn't stand on
his own. His flyer was well done. He should have used it in the debate. Instead
he spun her comments and statements so much she didn't even recognize them.
Doug showed today, in my opinion he doesn't have his own ideas.
Mia Love is the Tea Party expanded. Mr. Owens did a fine job of asking her
questions that the Tea Party candidates do not want asked. The shutdown of the
government was a horrible deal and yet she stands by that. It cost this country
billions. She does not represent the values and "work together
attitude" that Mr. Owens has. He needs to keep up the pressure, and show
Utah voters her real colors. Her extreme views bought with outside money do
nothing to better the citizens of Utah .
Just with Owens opening statement and some of the "bad" things he
attributed to Love had my vote swing to Mia.
Mia Love was great. She runs a clean campaign and proves great solutions. It is
unfortunate her opponent was so dirty that the moderate had to ask him to cut
out the cheap shots.
I'm not sure why this is characterized as attacking. Mia Love has publicly
supported ending the department of education. She has publicly proposed
eliminating subsidized student loans, subsidized school lunch, and many other
federal grants for public school ranging into the hundreds of millions of
dollars for Utah alone. Why run from that? If she believes it, and Owens
points it out, how is it attacking? Stand by what you've said, then those
who agree with you can vote for you, and those like me who think those positions
are seriously flawed can vote for the other guy. If you did applaud the
government shut down at a Mike Lee rally, own it or explain it. Its not an
attack if it happened, its a fact that is vitally important for voters to know,
then if they like the govt. shutdown they can vote for you, if they thought it
was a ridiculous debacle like I did, they can vote for the other guy. Facts
aren't attacks. Own them, or explain them, and give the people the
information to choose.
If Mrs. Love is afraid of her record being exposed, she should have thought of
that before she accepted all that outside money to use in this election.Utah citizens do not like outside money pouring into Utah.Utah citizens are smart enough to understand that Mrs. Love represents the
most extreme my way or the highway element in the Republican Party.